There is a phrase:
Below average minds discuss people;
Average minds discuss events;
Great minds discuss ideas.
Please comment.
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The descriptions in the quote seem to explain the acts of each category of minds and what they are capable of. If people only discuss about events that were bad or good with no followup actions, then that signifies their capabilities/incapabilities in solving problems. It is then necessary to add a new category "greater minds discuss about all things", since ideas will come from events and events happen because of people or natural disasters. Without knowing sources of things and their evolution in time, it is always improbable to arrive at proper solutions of problems.
I wonder if there's a relationship between education and the type of mind a person has.
I think they do because for them to add to their knowledge and ideas,they need those with great ideas and mind in order to achieve this.But if they share ideas with those on the same scale they will continue to be of average mind
Since there are multiple intelligences it very hard to understand a person's intelligence particularly non academic ones. In fact I consider more than 9.
In 1983 Howard Gardener described 9 types of intelligence:
logical-Mathematical
linguistic
bodily
musical
naturalist
interpersonal
intra-personal
spacial
existential
http://skyview.vansd.org/lschmidt/Projects/The%20Nine%20Types%20of%20Intelligence.htm
I think that personally somebody can judge according to his/her capacity only exams taken by very large population with statistically significant conditions can measure the academic intelligences but to measure nonacademic capacities need intelligence-specific exams and also they must be statistically significant.
Dear Sanjay Kumar,
Every mind has ideas. All it depends on environments and opportunities to make difference and classification.
Below average minds discuss people --- as they can't think creatively and take interest in others instead of itself.
Average minds discuss events --- as they engage themselves in work ad social chores more. They are more interested in day to day happening.
Great minds discuss ideas --- as they are very creative and think more.
Every mind can think and discuss ideas. This line of thinking as quoted in the question is elitist, and partial, whoever made such a statement.
The saying quoted in the question refers to a truth to some extent. Generally speaking, people who are talking only about people around themselves cannot achieve a good job; people who are looking at events around themselves can reach only a moderate goal; and people often thinking and talking about their own thoughts or ideas from wider viewpoints can accomplish unique results.
I am agree with Afaq and Matthew. Every mind can think and discuss ideas. It is very difficult/also impossible to classify the minds because if you think somebody has great minds that does not mean that they always are very innovative and creative......For me, it is totally baseless. First of all, how we divided minds as such categories? is there any parameter? If, we go through by logical, scientifical and spiritual, we will find that everythings i.e. living things and non-living things has minds, which are useful to the society and interconnected..
All of us discuss ideas. What makes the difference is the innovative ideas always come from thinking people. We can see these three kinds of people in every class of people in the society.
Below average people don't apply mind and think, that's why they kill time by discussing other people.
The human characterizes by having a mind. Exploiting his mind differ between people and the extent of his wisdom and maturity. I think his mind activity related to the experience of a person in life.
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
The Great Philosopher Socrates once said:
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
Buckle said, in his dogmatic way:
“Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas.”
Hello Sanjay Kumar,
Adding to Martina Gaisch's comment: discussing ideas that add value or substance (to an object) separate good minds from great minds.
The descriptions in the quote seem to explain the acts of each category of minds and what they are capable of. If people only discuss about events that were bad or good with no followup actions, then that signifies their capabilities/incapabilities in solving problems. It is then necessary to add a new category "greater minds discuss about all things", since ideas will come from events and events happen because of people or natural disasters. Without knowing sources of things and their evolution in time, it is always improbable to arrive at proper solutions of problems.
I think that this observation has some truthfulness in it. However, a most negative aspect is when the minds are nearly "sold" to others. This occurs when persons become like parrots repeating the ideas of the media, as they are, without thinking about such ideas. It is ironic to see men, claiming to be free, while their minds are well-directed & well-controlled by the politicians of the "feared" establishment.
The unfortunate (but necessary) negativity of young genius
Because creativity is bound-up with character (specifically, the personality trait of high Psychoticism), it comes in a package. And some aspects of the creativity package are annoying for other people - understandably so.
William Wordsworth is generally ranked as one of the three greatest English poets writing in modern English (along with Shakespeare and Milton) - he also has a reputation as being a rather dull and quiet kind of person.
On the whole, this reputation is broadly correct; but Wordsworth showed unmistable traits of high Psychoticism, including selfishness/ autonomy - but especially in his early life.
http://iqpersonalitygenius.blogspot.in/2013/08/the-unfortunate-but-necessary.html
- Great minds discuss ideas;
- Average minds discuss events;
- Small minds discuss people
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As a social commentary, I agree with this statement. But, I will also add that when discussing ideas, you must also discuss great events and people. History is a great source of information (actual history, not the modified version that is convenient for current politics). Even in our most fundamental research, we must provide background information and set the environment in which the experiment or experience has happened and thus determine our expected relationships based on some theoretical relationship. Without this information, you cannot claim generalization or draw basic conclusions in context. Therefore, to discover ideas, you must understand what has happened (events) and who was there (people). I think an improved version would be Great minds discuss ideas with environmental context and social boundaries while others just discuss people or events without relation to any higher level of iteration or application to generate new ideas.
I think that minds could be trained to become 'great' by the so-called 'great minds'; minds could be classed as 'great' when they are able to offer simple and great solutions to local communities' problems It is through cooperation that you get people to become great.
yes i agree
WE determine our expected relationships based on some theoretical relationship. Without this information, you cannot draw a conclusion and draw some kind of lesson from this context. A higher level of TRAIT or application to SEE new ideas.
Do above average minds discuss ideas? - ResearchGate. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Do_above_average_minds_discuss_ideas [accessed Aug 14, 2015].
Productive ideas are often born out of social necessity, and these have a way of spawning their own transition into action.
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The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.
--- Eleanor Roosevelt
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
--- Eleanor Roosevelt
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
"Ideas are only lethal if you suppress and don't discuss them. Ignorance is not bliss, it's stupid. Banning books shows you don't trust your kids to think and you don't trust yourself to be able to talk to them."
---- Anna Quindlen
While viewing the question of above average mind discuss ideas just recall my experience with company for evaluating the performance of employees ,staff ,for the purpose of rating their contribution deciding the merits of their promotion or salary grade etc.
In the prescribed form there are various selected question which helps us to know their performance by indicating other side against the question the following criteria which help us to offer a free discussion with there superior /executive .It is as follows
FARE AVERAGE BELOW AVERAGE ,ABOVE AVERAGE ,EXCELLENT
The discussion is used to carry out with the concern employee in the room under the free & fare discussion & in case if the employee concern is not in a position to accept the evaluation remark in a particular question he may offer his opinion in the writing of prescribed form .
In the above line it is clear that above average mind discuss ideas..This is my personal opinion as i have given to reply in their indirectly way to come to conclusion of the question in a right manner .
Great minds have purposes; others have wishes.
--- Washington Irving
In the West, there are tabloid newspapers which concentrate on sensational news or gossips about celebrities, actors/actresses, sports men/women (i.e. people)& those, who buy these newspapers, are classified as lower class in the society. Events (such as a financial crisis, rises of mortgage rates, social benefits, earthquakes, green-house effects..etc) will engage the interest of those classified as middle class. The upper elite class is supposed to discuss & innovate ideas such as (how politics is to be directed & controlled, how their fortunes could be increased, how their advantage edge could be kept or raised..etc).However, this classification does not hold all the time because one may find brainy persons or persons of weak minds among each class.
Really great idea is not respect national boundaries, geographical and time constraints, it can pass through time and space, affecting several generations.
Every mind discuss ideas but degree differs according to the level of mind.
I might have agreed with the statement if belittling someone was not intended. But, I am not sure if that is the case. I think if we discuss people, events or ideas with positive frame of mind, it helps.
Dear Sunjay,
The saying you cited seems to be approximately right.
I would alternate it like that:
Below average minds change gossip;
Average minds discuss commonplaces;
Great minds discuss - often original - ideas.
Dear Sanjay: I try always to discuss ideas, as much as possible, independently of the size of minds (is a matter of education?).
Think people with great minds / above average minds also need to find other people with similar wave lengths / mindsets, else they might ended up talking to him or herself only, further ideas can't be socialized / expanded, or ideas remain dreams and not actionable goals, or have to drop his or her idea as it is not well received by others. Hence, finding suitable person to share great ideas are equally important. Also finding some people not sharing their original ideas but rather validating bits & pieces of the ideas so that s/he still be the custodian of the original ideas.
Discussing means interaction. So everybody interacts in the matching way. I feel some prejudgement in such a classification of discussing behaviour by "intellectual" level. Let me start with the "great minded" person. If s/he is developping ideas, s/he will not discuss, s/he prefers thinking. If the average minded person discusses, exchange of infos is the main purpose. No reason to fix any intelectual level. Narrow minded persons, you call it, "below the average" discuss what they understand. They must exchange infos like the others but obviously can´t do it only in their possible way.
I don´t like such classifications.
The human mind always makes progress, but it is a progress in spirals.
--- Madame de Stael
Great ideas may came from any mind that applied effectively and critically.
A mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back to its old dimensions.
--- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
I feel that the statement is both true and false, depending on the context and content of the people, events and ideas discussed. For example, I love to discuss my ideas and theories on history which is entirely a discussion on people and events. However, I can understand that it might be 'small minded', to entirely talk of local gossip which is also people and events. Yet, I do believe that such a thing exists as 'small minded' ideological discussions do occur (racist thought, etc).
I agree with that fully. The greater the mind, the greater the topic that it discusses; and ideas are great things to be discussed. Moreover, great people become great because of their ideas and deeds. Before looking at a profile of a person, I need to know about his accomplishments as well as his ideas.
A society will remain as free or as enslaved as the conscious dispositions of individuals determine it shall be. Just as the roots of oppression are found in passivity, the foundations of our liberty reside in highly energized and focused minds that insist upon their independence.
- Butler Shaffer
It is better to discuss things, to argue and engage in polemics than make perfidious plans of mutual destruction.
--- Mikhail Gorbachev
I have heard and read that phrase before. There's some truth in it. Great minds bubble with innovation and have abundance of ideas to solve real world problems unlike the other two which may not have anything compelling them to trigger change. That's my take though.
It means guests those visit us frequently, not like ideas! Dear Doko.
Consistent and thoughtful churning of ideas by mind may be helpful in identifying and shaping GREAT IDEAS.
Best Regards.
"Ideas won't keep. Something must be done about them."
– Alfred North Whitehead
Sometimes i come up with some great ideas but then i leave those ideas because i am not having resources to convert those ideas into something
“You might be poor, your shoes might be broken, but your mind is a palace.”
― Frank McCourt
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
"Ideas are only lethal if you suppress and don't discuss them. Ignorance is not bliss, it's stupid. Banning books shows you don't trust your kids to think and you don't trust yourself to be able to talk to them."
----- Anna Quindlen
Dear António,
This means that your society consists of fine and imaginative minds.
I agree with Professor Brenda Jacono that Great people are usually simple and practice
"Simple Living and High Thinking" philosophy.
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“Ideas are easy. It's the execution of ideas that really separates the sheep from the goats.”
― Sue Grafton
Well said Professor Subhash C. Kundu; implementation in effective and efficient manner is really very important.
Regards.
Great ideas may help towards innovations.
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Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
"Be less curious about people and more curious about ideas"
----- Marie Curie
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Dear Sanjay,
New, creative, and great ideas are essential to bring innovations in business.
Dear Sir,
It is vital to discuss here that how important is the actualization/materialization/implementation of GREAT ideas.
Please see.
Regards.
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