Hate has more corrosive effects on the soul and life of a hater than to the hated. It is a psychoanalytical problem of the hater. What are the sources or reasons of hate? In which part of society is hate more prevalent? In learnt and educated or in people who are less exposed to education and weaker in reasoning or just equally rampant irrespective of education and reasoning capabilities? What do you think cures hate ?
Please have a say on it.
Regards
- Dejenie
Hate, of course, is the opposite of love. To hate anything is a mistake. Hate reduces clarity, increases impulsivity, and blocks the flow of wisdom from your Higher Self.
Dear Dejenie,
It is a common feeling in many of us. I believe it is not know how to deal with an injustice, separation or anything that affects what we believe.
And should not be criticized but helped.
Vanessa
Hate, of course, is the opposite of love. To hate anything is a mistake. Hate reduces clarity, increases impulsivity, and blocks the flow of wisdom from your Higher Self.
Although I have not researched hate academically, I can respond anecdotally nevertheless. IMHO, hate is what proceeds from a personality that believes first that they are right, or somehow better, and that others are wrong, or not adequate. So hate manifests as the despising of the perceived other. This attaches to religious fanaticism throughout religions, to gender-centricity, to racial distinctions, to issues between countries, to SES groupings, and so forth. It is the negative intersectional response to anything that perceptually challenges one's grasp on their own agency, yet, a countervailing position might suggest that hate speaks to a fundamental weakness of personal agency, an incomplete knowledge of the self, poor self concept and low self esteem. I would equate hate with despair in the Kierkergaardian sense . . . "a sickness unto death".
Hate is intense irrational dislike and hostility and/or extreme blind aversion!
Hate is a failure of reason. Hate is the father of irrationality and the enemy of logic. Hate is everything that is negative about humanity.
Hate is the single-most obstacle to progress and enlightenment. Hate is corrosive of the very being and as the saying goes a person is 'consumed by hate'
Vanessa, we cannot deal with injustice by hating, that will only bring more injustice. The best way to deal with injustice is to positively support those who suffer it. Hating those who cause it will not make the injustice go away it will only make it more painful.
Dear Dejenie and RG fellows,
hatred unfortunately exists. The important thing is not feeding it because otherwise a chain reaction is determined extending to relatives, friends and pupils.
The type of hatred that makes me most fear is that one can not rationally explain the cause. This appears to me even more serious when the person who hates is mentally impaired temporarily or permanently. Then the consequences are really unpredictable.
With great friendship to all of you!
Ting Fa Marg
For long, I held the opinion that hatred is like fire. If it does not find what to “eat”, it will “eat” itself. I found out that there are persons who share my view such as Will & Madeleine:
“Throughout life people will make you mad, disrespect you and treat you bad. Let God deal with the things they do, because hate in your heart will consume you too.” ― Will Smith
“Hate hurts the hater more than the hated.” ― Madeleine L'Engle
But let us face it, hatred exists & it has been manipulated & encouraged by influential politicians & other warmongers to mobilize the human resources for their “silly” wars.
He, who sees all beings in the Self and sees the Self in all beings, do not hate anyone. (Isa Upanishad)
Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not kill the hate. Violence increases hatred and nothing else. (Martin Luther King)
Hatred belongs to moments of helplessness. (Fabio Volo)
Hate is the chain together more serious and more abject, with which man can bind man. (Ugo Foscolo)
To me is not in my vocabulary. Frankly speaking Don't know it. I may use dislike.
The problem is that hate has a genetic and neurological free ride in the way humans are built and have evolved. Hate is hardwired into the primitive mammalian limbic system, which powerfully activates the flight-or-fight response. The "hate circuit" involves two brain regions called the putamen and the insula. Apparently, the putamen plays a role in the perception of contempt and disgust and may be part of the motor system that's mobilized to take action. The amount of activity in the hate circuit correlates with the amount of hate a person feels.
for more details :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-sten-odenwald/why-hate-is-historically-transformative_b_5696574.html
Philadelphia, PA
Hate no one!
If someone hates you, then the best advice I know is "turn the other cheek." That can be very effective, though as we know, it doesn't always work. I wouldn't recommend it in every situation --consider prolonged persecution.
In any case, taking revenge is definitely the wrong thing to do. Do no harm. Best to simply ignore the matter; and if that is not possible, then just let everyone know, as gently as possible, who the hater is and what is behind it.
H.G. Callaway
Hate, is a situation such that when you see it, you immediately recognise it!
Dear Dejenie,
Indeed, hate is a topic widely discussed by psychoanalysis, but also neuroscience, as pointed out Raheam, mentioning the work of Professor Zeki et al "Neural Correlates of Hate" where suggests that part of the same circuit neurologic is shared by the reactions of love and hate. This coincides perfectly with that proposed by Freud in "The Ego and the Id" (1923) and adapted by my theory of the psyche, according to the standpoint of Transcursive Logic theory that addresses some fundamental aspects of psychoanalysis of Freud, in chapter 7 of my book "Psiquis - Estructura y Función": "The languages of Freud", but unfortunately it is not yet translated into English, but which roughly says: "Both hatred and love are implicit in the subject (the I), and depends on how you resolved (be sublimated) take precedence each of these manifestations (love or hatred) to particular person or to himself. In short, I propose that the predominance of love or hate in our behavior depends on that is imposed the life instinct or the death instinct, respectively.
Dante.
My understanding from someone else who was an animal behaviorist is that if you take two rats in a box and give them an electric shock - I would never do that - then they attribute the source of the shock to one another and attack each other. Perhaps this is something that stays with us mammals when humans are in stressful situations together. Depression is retroactive stress, anxiety proactive stress. Such proactive stress might make us attack (e.g., anger), or even freeze, or flee from a situation. The social psychological evidence testing the social justice theory rooted the philsophy of Rawls that changed the majority of societies has suggested annoyance, a form of stress, arises in people when situations appear unfair to a person, such as an broken promise or uneven distribution of resources according to the grounds that person has learned their expectancies.
If someone exposes us to something that causes annoyance then that is an extension of the rats response to shock in humans, and the exposer becomes hated by the exposee. On that front, however, if we are fair to one another, we have learned social systems of expectancies, that have developed over millenia, where there is a hope of a reduction in such annoyance and the hate that ensues, for instance by fairness.
In the philosophy of emotion there is also the notion of moral anger, anger that we like to feel on moral grounds, such as that people often express when they read of some crime in the newspaper. People really enjoy this kind of hate. So some thoughts: Perhaps it is our morality that sets us aside from other animals, but those systems supporting our morality perform a rationalisation of a desire to attack as moral anger, the representation of a delayed intention perhaps held in the cyclic interaction of our much more developed prefrontal cortices in interaction with posterior areas in enduring re-entrant manner.
Here is an MRI paper that finds other rather different areas in a "hate" circuit in the brains of depressed people: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3526729/
And one from Semir Zeki:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2569212/
Interested what people make of these and my above ramblings.
Dear All,
Very stimulating discussions that are pedagogical.
Dears: Tom, Dante and Raheam,
Very good analysis and links to interesting scientific research works on hate and Neural correlates.
Hate like love is natural instinct of human. Hate means I do not like.
We need to hate where necessary. If someone stole my purse, I can not say him, I love you.
I am not mother Teresa.
If you do not hate someone to whom you do not like, you are not human being.
I think the sources & reasons of hatred might be this - each of us is unique and when we were born into this world, we gradually built up our own mental models (knowledge, experience, beliefs, opinions, expectations, likes / dislikes etc). When our mental models stand firm / not open minded & crashing / different from others', this might generate disagreement, argument, hatred or even negative actions (become more personal).
Not sure is there any universal definition of "hatred" & what are the benefits of "hatred"? I think "hatred" usually is outbound (towards others). May be we should also positively use "hatred" as inbound i.e. hate our own self so that we can improve ourselves, become more competent or a better person e.g. hate ourselves for repeating the same mistakes again, hate ourselves why we were too emotional, didn't give in or should had more self-control earlier, hate where we are now and determine to change for better etc.
Dear All there is a very popular saying that hate the sin do not hate sinner. Here I request that please do not hate anyone if you can
Though it is very difficult to practice. regards.i
Dear @ Dejenie, you have asked a few questions: 'What are the sources or reasons of hate? In which part of society is hate more prevalent? In learnt and educated or in people who are less exposed to education and weaker in reasoning or just equally rampant irrespective of education and reasoning capabilities? What do you think cures hate ?'
I think we are agreed that HATE IS BAD, BECAUSE IT IS AN INTENSE NEGATIVE EMOTION THAT DESTROYS THE HATER. I believe a reasonable educated mind will know that it's a FUTILE emotion, and it's more worthwhile to place good esteem on others. As for reasons for hatred, it may be as old as Cain and Abel...
WE BUILD FRIENDSHIPS, AND FAMILIES ON LOVE. WHAT CAN HATE BUILD?
Hate is primarily a problem of the hater, as you introduced it, Mr. Lakew.
The hater unconsciously feels guilty about deep aspects of his/herself. As long as this source is not recognized consciously, the hate is projected outside and no lasting cure may happen.
I believe that hate affects people irrespective their level of education. However, I have observed that educated people may cheat themselves more easily - they generally see themselves as kind persons.
At the same time, I believe that educated people have more chances to be not satisfied about how they feel, thus ask themselves " what and why do I dislike so deeply {hate}?" and have a chance to mirror the findings within themselves. (Ex: I hate the behavior of my husband because I believe he doesn't spend sufficient time with me => [mirroring] I realize that I don't allow sufficient time for myself [unconsciously, I hated this aspect - not listening my soul, felt guilty and projected outside]; now, I become aware that the source of this particular feeling is the time I didn't offer to myself => I choose to change this ... or not, and my problem will persist).
A psychotherapist may accompany the hater, but the hard work remains to the latter. When self-honesty replaces self-deception, mirroring exercise is quite effective.
Dear Patrick,
So humans are not more than products of Darwinian selection?
I will not accept any behavior (e.g. selfish destroying others), but will not feel hate. I can fake being angry in an education framework, for instance
Dear Marcel,
your educating play with gestures and mime is no hate at all, it´s a technique to form young pupils. Hate disparages the counterpart and btw yourself.
Scientists prove that there is a thin line between laove and hate
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-prove-it-really-is-a-thin-line-between-love-and-hate-976901.html
Hate - includes a thinking or practice which is against individual or association, affects the rights of others as per the fundamental values upon which a democratic society rested and functioned.
The Origin of Hatred
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-origin-of-hatred/
I think that we should define what do we understand by Hate ? For example, I agree with Patrick Druggan that resource competition may generate ruthless behavior, but I don't link this to Hate.
Marcel, do you see a link between Darwinian selection and Hate ? Because I never thought that animals hate, neither that people hate when they fight ruthlessly for their survival.
By the way, Marcel, I believe that it is normal to feel angry from time to time ! Meanwhile it's healthy to recognize what you feel, and then let it go as soon as possible (not so easy !).
What I understand by hate is very different, in the sense that it's not normal at all to hate! Anyway, it's also healthy to recognize honestly that you hate, and then seek within yourself the source.
https://community2.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/arch_whatishate
Dear Ruxandra,
Interesting remark! How do you define/identify hate from a biological point of view compared to other feelings like 'avoidance', 'angry', survival strategy, competitive behavior, prestige defense, protection strategy, .... ?
"...To the last, I grapple with thee; from hell's heart, I stab at thee; for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
The last words of Captain Ahab, which accompany his death, the destruction of his ship and all its crew save Ishmael.
Hate is an obsession that can only end in failure
Marcel,
I gave a previous answer on page 4 (on my screen) that is part of my second answer.
Ruxandra
We must differentiate anger from hatred. Anger, as you rightly say is a normal emotion with positive connotations and hate is totally negative.
We all feel anger towards those we love occasionally and it is often because we love them that when we think that their behaviour is wrong or dangerous for them that we will become very angry.
Anger may sharpen our emotions, hate only blunts them. Anger can work positively (if controlled) and can have positive outcomes. Hate can only obstruct solutions and obsessional hatred destroys not only the target of the hate but the hater too.
Hitler was consumed by hate, first for communists, then Jews, then many others who did not fit his grossly distorted and hideously magnified ideals. It is fascinating to note that the last target of his hatred was the very people he once held to be the master race and superior species of human. As the war entered its final days he ordered the destruction of all German infrastructure, an effective death sentence on his own people.
That is the inevitable pathway and destination of hatred.
Thanks a lot, Barry. You remind us that Hate can generate genocides.
Jealousy is a subclass of hate with a special aim for social behaviour.
Marcel,
I see that my example on page 4 has generated confusion. Some clarifications: Jealousy is defined as "vigilance in guarding a possession". This {often pathological} behavior can be mirrored as well, in order to identify its unconscious source. However, what I wanted to convey through my example - certainly, not the most inspired one - was that by neglecting your soul needs, those you are mostly not aware of, you might come to hate the others (your partner, but also your parents, friends ... often "the Foreigner"). In my example, I chose "offer time to yourself" [(be in contact with / listen to) yourself] as an essential soul need, which can generate hate when it's unfulfilled [I am using the word "soul" because I cannot associate hate, jealousy, angry etc. with something else].
But I don't want to go away from the subject !
I have initially related hate to deeply human needs of more complex life [i.e., not only survival, but also soul needs such as (self)respect / esteem], but reading other comments, I am now wondering if a primitive form of hate exists provoked by fear of death, by survival ?
Some might claim there may be an genetic basis for hate/jealousy, e.g. in a given social/cultural environment some might have a higher probability to express hate/jealousy, or not?
I don't think there is danger related to survival if dominant individuals hate and wish to remove weak individuals.
Hate is a negative instinct of mind and generates negative synergy. It is shown by behavior rather by negative behavior.
Hatred is not affected by it, provided maintains self esteem.
Dear Ruxandra,
Very interesting arguments. There are clear cut differences between anger, hate and jealousy. Anger may be caused by a presumed wrong action of someone or injustice or unfairness of a system or an organization or relationships and the solution is there, when things are fixed it dissipates and disappears.
Jealousy in a mild state is an irrational desire of not being below or inferior from some one or a bad feeling of the success of some one, which is not sever in its degree of digression from normalcy but a precursor to hate.
Hate in the contrary is an extreme state of mind completely devoid of reason and rational thinking which runs out of solution unless the subject of hate is eliminated or the hater disappeared. I will say hate is a state of existence in a very narrow space of no windows and doors visible to come out of it.
Dear Miranda,
That is true, it is taught in religious manuscripts that hate begins with the creation of multiplicity on humans. The very time two separate humans created hate also created ( Abel and Cain as you indicated - clear sign of irrationality). But since then we humans made huge evolutionary developments and the oldest weakness of humans should have been disappeared by now, instead it is alive, consuming the souls of people.
Less knowing and unable to reason may have strengthen the severity of hate and knowing more widens thinking spaces and increases capacity to reason and minimize the degree of hate.
Human dignity,human values,downtrodden by somebody may arouse hatred.National, racial, religious hatred is not characteristic of a human being with wits and heart.As a rule, this kind of hatred is used with the aim of mind control in the criminal aims.
Ms. Brenda Jacono, I fully agree with you. Opening the heart changes the quality of your life completely and in the most beneficial way. Negative emotions have no room, or they have so little room that they disappear quickly.
And, indeed, heartfelt caring is always loving and an antidote to hate !
Dear Patrick,
Just to repeat what I said/wrote before: I forget rapidly, so no hate, which also implies that I apparently never met people I can hate. People belong to complex social networks which can explain why they behave in a way which is not always consistent with my personal way of thinking. What would I have done if I was in their position?
Patrick,
I would separate the ruthless behavior, linked to survival, from the hateful behavior, caused by unfulfilled soul needs. The latter is mainly related to more complex emotional life (i.e., to the limbic system) such as self respect and respect, and not to the survival instinct (i.e., to the reptilian brain).
Thus, I would place your comments in the first category. We might call "primitive Hate" what is linked to our reptilian brain. (However, I'm not sure that this term is right, i.e., that instincts are triggered by forms of hate).
As humans, we also have the limbic system driving our feelings. What I understand by Hate is linked here, and in my view it's fundamentally human (despite the limbic system is called mammalian brain, too; that's because I cannot imagine Hate in mammals; conversely, I know their overwhelming Jealousy!).
You mentioned the game theory. I believe that it can be applied when we model instinctual behavior, but I doubt as regard its adequacy to modeling the emotional behavior driven by the limbic system.
Ruthlessness in humans is used to eliminate other living beings like insects, rats, diseases... considered to be pest species... The evolutionary response is resistance....
Perhaps pest species are eliminated without the feeling of hate?
The elimination of pests is a righteous cause that would relive so many of suffering. I just saw a great TV show in which a programme for eliminating malaria was depicted. The plan is to shorten the life of the malarial mosquito so that the pathogen does not have time to develop as a vector.
That will be a great achievement and it will be one that came out of reason and compassion for the hundreds of millions whose lives are blighted by this disease. It will certainly not have been achieved by an irrational hatred of mosquitos!
Hate is a common attribute for all people, well educated or not, rich or poor, women or men and so on.
It has to do with the character of each person, but it can be decreased by a suitable , self or outer, education for each of us.
In most of the cases hate comes out from inequalities and the feeling of an unfair behavior against the 'hater', so he/she reacts against the 'hated'.
Other reasons are probably envy and similar attributes.
Patrick
I take your point that hate probably had a function in our primeval past, something like taste which evolved in one of its functions to act as a warning. Since most poisons taste bad our ancestors would avoid them. The hate function may still be vestigial in many modern humans but it is an emotion that can be controlled, as can many others.
Anger has a function as does fear, both are survival tools and are usually short term sensations. It is where they become long term or even permanent that they become a pathology rather than an emotion. Since hate by its nature is long term its pathological consequences are more severe.
People could like, dislike, love, be angry, neutral...all this emotions have rational and objective reasons. One could likes milk when the other prefers coffee, one could dislikes some taste or color or any behavior when other likes it. One could love a person when another dislikes her or be neutral. One could be angry face of injustice or incivility. All these emotional states are driven by personal feelings and objective reasoning. However the hate as well jealousy are personal and internal feelings with the intentions to make bad to others or to decrease them, generally with no objective reasons. This permanent personal state based on how making bad plans against others, destroys the person itself as usually the hatred do not care with the jelous. The hate is a negative psychological behavior of the weak self esteem. The person who hates others is a feeble one who is not able at least to copy them. And consumes her energy by bad plans, passivity, mediocrity and weakness, rather than by positivity and self construction. In extreme case of hate the person could turns to a criminal.
So it is important as pointed in an earlier post of @Cecilia, that children should be educated on their respective differences without any preference among them; to ovoid them the hate or to be hated. Which will enables them to have their positive personality self esteem, and focus on what each could makes or becomes rather than on focusing on the more successful or more good or more quiet among them.
That is a extremaly negative felling. Hate for me is distaste, repulsion. In some cases, hate is a pre concept, you don't know something but you predict that it is bad.
Dear Marcelo,
If we do not know something we do not hate it but fear it (in terms of danger). We do not hate something we do not know, we hate things that we only encountered them with some experiences or we partly know or completely know them as hate is because of some known reason but of irrational.
Why are people born with teeth, e.g. from a spiritual point of view?
Dear Marcel,
I think teeth in humans in particular and animals in general has no spiritual basis and purpose. It is naturally there to grind food, makes smaller and softer in order proper digestion to take place. .
The three components of hate are:
http://psychologicalselfhelp.org/Chapter7.pdf
Dear Dejenie,
Life with teeth apparently means that you live at the cost of other living beings that will be physically removed from Earth.
Does a predator hate or love prey? E.g. A predator will hate prey when it is difficult to catch?
Dear Marcel,
I think a predator always likes to catch a prey when it needs. What it hates is not the impossible prey but the actual event of not being able to catch the prey, it wishes that event of not catching does not happen (I will call that anger not hate ). But the thread of the topic hate is a little different from the anger you alluded as hate. Hate is more pronounced in humans than animals.
When dominant animals permanently purchase dominated animals in small isolated groups because the dominant individuals wish to be occupied, e.g. introduced dromedary in Australian deserts, how do the dominated animals feel? Are you sure it will only be anger, fear, etc...?
Dear: All
I suggest that hate is not like because of the situation or against the norm
Hate: feel intense dislike for …!
….ego state that wishes to destroy the source of its unhappiness.
It is a deep and emotional extreme dislike and can be directed against individuals, groups, entities, objects, or ideas.
As hate is believed to be long-lasting, it is considered to be more of an attitude or disposition than a temporary emotional state.
It is prevalent across sections, societies, educational level, etc.
Patrick,
That is true as I said in my earlier post. But purposeful and knowingly hateful acts of humans, including injustice in work, in employment, in politics and economics, mostly are due to less enlightened and uncivilized people who are in power with no any force of intellect that dictates truth to be done. Practically they are social crimes with no "legal penalty"
For instance divisibility is not closed in the set of integers but it is on a larger set of non zero rationals, which indicates impossibilities or wrongs are due to lack of greater capabilities of structures to reason, think and do and in the contrary possibilities are always enablers and signs of better relational axioms of a stronger and better structure.
Besides, spaces in which truth dictates are more stable than places where truth is not known or abandoned, as stability is a very important property for a system to exist continuously with out necessary perturbations.
The hate is what becomes presumption about the goodness of ones intention, or where it will take the final result, which is not in our favor. The hate comes when you've experienced, or understood a problem with someone or something , without having found any possible way of answering it in your way or solving it, so you just want to avoid it, and block its causers, sometimes ignoring it too. The thing is you don't want it, means that is your "problem", and you wish it wasn't and couldn't exist at all; I mean it can be fundamentally against you, which you can't live in a separate world to not being in touch with it, some times it is in your own nature, or have roots in your own existence, like life and death.
Hate grows with the history of shocking abuse, mainly by members of one community against another, which the authorities were reluctant to investigate and challenge.
Dear Vilemar is right, but the hater is not conscious about his wasting of time, energy and peace for his soul. Hate is irrationalism and uncontrolled emotion.
Yes, Dear Hanno. I also agree with you. Hate harms the one who does it more than the one who is hated. If the one who does hate knew how bad it can be for himself, he would never do it.
Hate and love constitute a dialectical pair. The existence of each depends on the existence of the other. Thus those of us that we "love" we should be obliged to those that hate!
And of course due to to the dialectics there are a lot of degrees of hate and love and at some region hate and love meet each other! You know, "grey" is made up from black and white!
Dear Costas,
yes, dialectical. But hate is totally destroying the hater, love can be promoting and vitalising.
Dear Dejenie: I agree with you. In my opinion, hate is emotional disequilibrium without any sense, and that may result from the incapacity in recognizing own failures and/or limitations of others (particularly for very low quotients between what someone is and what someone thinks he/she is).
Dear Costas: I suppose (?) that Hegels’ dialectic means evolution or dynamics, not stagnation or statics. In order to love something, is not necessary hate first, or vice-versa.
“Isn't it funny.I'm enjoying my hatred so much more than i ever enjoyed love. Love is temperamental. Tiring. It makes demands. Love uses you, changes its mind. But hatred, now, that's something you can use. Sculpt. Wield. It's hard, or soft, however you need it. Love humiliates you, but Hatred cradles you.”
― Janet Fitch, White Oleander
Janet Fitch never saw another person in a mirror but herself. Love is difficult most of.the times but being loved pays the bill. If anybody doubts it just try it. Soon he will hate to hate.
Hate Ignorance
- True friends are like diamonds precious but rare. Fake friends are like fall leaves found everywhere.
- As long as I'm faced in the right direction, It does not matter the size of my steps.
There are some stories, where somebody went to gail for many years, because of fake senario, made by say you body, e.t.c. Such a person must hate his body. Hate and revenge may give him power to survive all the difficulties in jail. There are many cases where hate is inevitable, and is a survival mechanism!
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