@ George,
Stupidity is one of the easiest things to measure in the U.S. ... you just have to add-up the number of people voting for Trump! *hee*hee*hee*
Dear George:
Actually I was thinking about ignobility and this word always comes to me in conjunction with PUKHOVICHI
Regards, Leonid [email protected]
“Wisdom is not measured by age ,
Intelligence is not measured by grades ,
Personality is not measured by what others say”
― Alzoubi"
@ George,
Stupidity is one of the easiest things to measure in the U.S. ... you just have to add-up the number of people voting for Trump! *hee*hee*hee*
We are limited, we cannot measure boundless and limitless thighs such as God, love …
When the question of measurement comes ,in mind of human being the calculation comes & this calculation in certain cases in mind of human beings can establish the pride & ego .
If this be a case measurement to be viewed with the purpose of merely information & knowledge .However in every human beings there is an inner urge & if we are develop within our self our inner urge joins within our divinity these energy & powerful force which every human beings have cannot be measured .
There are certain qualities in human being which cannot be measured by any method but this can be certainly mapped with their individual development & achievement .
Measurement therefore should be viewed in isolation but categories wise .However in a line of the above no human being can measure or evaluate the feelings ,sentiment & last but not the least the LOVE has Love is God -God is Love.
This is my personal opinion
Consciousness, mind, psyche and the soul. Besides the subjectivity its very existence is also questionable.
for my money, ambition to achieve success is the most significant motivating force which is not measurable since it is not finite
We can measure anything which is tangible. But any measurement bears some level of uncertainty. In fact, we never know how accurate we measure something because we never know what the exact measure is! All we do is a relatively accurate measurement.
On another page, if we look at things at the quantum scale, we can measure nothing. We cannot even measure the location of an electron due to quantum uncertainties.
To rephrase your question, I would ask "is there anything that we are certain we can measure precisely?"
Dear Leonid, the passions cannot be measured, even though if you kill someone in a fit of passion, the amount of jail time is specific for each of the different passions. Can jail time for killing in the heat of some specific passions count as a cultural measurement of a passion? Adultery by a woman justifies leniency for a man's crime of passion: the crime goes down from murder to manslaughter. The opposite does not work: if a woman commits a crime of passion against her husband for his adultery, she gets the penalty for murder. So, jail time is gendered and it might not be used, then, to measure a passion using jail time as index. Unless we believe that women are les passionate than men and that is why women get no leniency... they allegedly knew what they were doing... Oh, well.
Best regards, Lilliana
Love cannot be measured.
Pain is also relatively, difficult to quantify, in medical terms.... (One can only compare with personal experiences.)
Feelings, in general, are very difficult to be quantitatively measured. Qualitatively, of course, by the time of a very sensitive soul.
Feelings, in general, are very difficult to be quantitatively measured. Qualitatively, of course, by the time of a very sensitive soul.
Pukhovichi - a very small town right in the middle of Belarus.
Could it be true that nobody heard about his tragedy ?
Dearest Maria, in his Philosophical Investigations, Ludwig Wittgenstein states that pain cannot be expressed with precision, and it usually happens that the language of medicine and everyday language do not quite measure the intensity, quality and tolerance to pain. He even says that to express pain, most people try to use conventional language that usually misses the point. The problem is that, to be understood when you tell about your pain, the listener must agree with your terms, but being pain literally "unspeakable", how can we manage? And pain is so common, and is very strong in those who suffer it! So we mimic pain to be understood.
My example of the passions —so strong, I am well aware of that— and measuring them using jail time, goes in the same direction: to be measured, the passions must be "domesticated", reduced to a common denominator, which will never be accurate enough to assuage the love, the rage, the envy, the fear, ambition, the will to possess...
You are right. maybe we should take passions as they come, express them as we can, whether or not we are understood. The important thing is to acknowledge one's passion lest it finally explodes in the wrong direction. If everything goes wrong, measurement will be of little use, anyway. We do not need to measure everything. My intuition is that, in general, the need for measurement is due to the overuse of statistics for everything, the will to pigeonhole each and every activity, object, transaction, etc. It is time to break free from the unnecessary fictions of measurement.
Abrazo grande, Lilliana
Dear Stoica, Emotion can not measure and it can be modify by time and situation.
wonderful question!!! and excellent answers!!!
So, may b emotions, values, feelings, sufferings all are non-quantifiable and immeasurable, right?
Dear Madam,
For me its mother's love on her child in this world
Not sure we can measure "love" & "sacrifice" also which is subjective to different people's interpretation. What is the objective instrument we can use to do the measuring & at which scale we should adopt?
Dear George:
Yes, it was mass killing, but not in pogroms, neither was it in a concentration camp. .Of course, during the WW-2 there were other places like I described But in PUKHOVICHI over 200 of my relatives perished. (those responsible have never been punished) I can not go into detail because everything is perlustrated; or as we say in Russia - this story is not a subject of telephone conversation, and it was never ever discussed before. Still my Heart and my Love is with them.
I think it will be practical if we look for the set of measurable "things".
Dear Leonid,
We measure everything we perceive and comprehend and vice versa. But measuring these things may be a relative or absolute according to their nature and as well as the data available to us.
today is mothers days and i would like to say that mothers love cannot be measured, here i shall not exclude the fathers love and hopes on his kids
the sense of being successful is not measurable since it is an internal feeling which can be more similar to ambition. this sensation is infinitive, so anybody can measure it...
Until we can say that the feelings and sensations are intense or minimal, so in this case it is a relative quantification. There is always a relative scale with values oscillate between the negative and postif to quantify our joy, happiness, love, faith, etc. and this measurement range depends on several parameters: Age, health, genetic, predisposition, environment, education, culture, religion, etc.
With a proper definition of what measure every process can be measured
The mercy of God cannot be measured for any man because it is infinite.
Dear sir,
Knowledge, wisdom and vision of the person we cant judge or measure. it is vary from person to person, subject to subject, situation to situation, problem to problem.
like many scholars mentioned different points, i am agree with those.
Thanks
p.phani.
We cannot measure the things we see because:
"We don't see the things they are, we see them the way WE are."
- Talmud
@Len Leonid Mizrah
Arguably there is no wisdom in the Talmud (and all other religious texts combined) more important to the scientist than this one you have just quoted. It not only acknowledges that NOTHING can truly be measured, because of our anthropocentric bias, but also takes into account the uncertainty principle that rules the ambiguous universe we inhabit and the quantum mind with which we interpret (our imperfectly sensed perceptions of) it.
The justice of God is not measurable because it will be infinite for all ones who depreciate his love and mercy in this life.
@Bob Skiles
Yes. Agree, it is a profound problem rarely understood in its full depth. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle was created to understand fundamental experimental measurement problems in the world of micro-particles. It allows to find out what can or cannot be measured in a real experiment, and also makes it clear the influence of the tools on the measurements.
It feels like we have similar issues when applying human intelligence as a tool to measure things in financial world, economy, health, political processes, technology genesis, etc. We may need somehow commensurate our research expectations with the levels of complexity and redundancy of the real processes under study, and to understand the actual fundamental limitations to be considered.
The grace of Saint Mary, mother of Jesus, is not mesurable because it is infinite: she is plenty of grace (Luke 1, 28).
If you follow ideas of physicist Bridgmen, everything must be measured or reduced to measurement
Dear Aleksandr,
Bridgeman was a brilliant pioneer in the mechanical measurement of extremely high pressures; I have a tremendous amount of respect for his accomplishments (not the least because, outside his academic/scientific life {in real life}, he was said to be "a skilled plumber and carpenter" ... as well as machinist ... which was likewise said about me in my youthful days *chuckle*).
Even though Bridgemen realized and acknowledged that his 'measurements' were only approximations, he seems to have believed the inaccuracies were due to only to limitations in the quality of his measuring instruments /methods, and always persisted in believing that 'exact' measurements could be achieved if only one perfected the measuring instrument. He seems to have remained blithely unaware of the theoretical impossibility of perfect precision of measurement due to the uncertainty principle.
Thus, while Bridgemen's equations/tables are extremely helpful (e.g., to the modern engineer designing high pressure apparatus) the values must be acknowledged as approximations (and for safety's sake a large error factor usually allowed).
For example, Bridgeman acknowledged that his early pressure gauges were not able to be calibrated with absolute precision, and always sought to improve them (his best were pretty-good, producing values that were within about 1% ... close enough for all practical purposes at that time, but inadequate for theoretical physics). For example (in the calibration of pressure guages):
"The point most used by Bridgman and many later investigators is the melting pressure of mercury at 0°C, observable as a pressure of discontinuity either of electrical resistance or of volume when these quantities are measured as functions of pressure. The pressure value derived from his 1911 observations, 7640 kg/cm2 , was used as a standard for subsequent calibrations, entering directly into all his measurements of compressibility and other pressure coefficients in which the manganin gauge was used.
Redeterminations in the last few years with much more elaborate apparatus suggest an error of possibly 1 percent in this value [emphasis added], Newhall, Abbot, and Dunn (1963) giving 7715.6 kg/cm2."
Although the modern redetermined values are more precise than Bridgemen was able to achieve, one must remember that, these too, are only approximations.
The thing about Bridgemen that impresses me most is his unwavering belief that he could produce {synthetic} diamond, if only he could achieve {and control} super-high pressures. Though he was not able to ever achieve this dream, himself, synthetic diamond was first created a few years before his death, using {in part} the foundations of his early work.
source for quoted material:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Williams_Bridgman
In comparison with those numbers which are given in astrony or geology his percentage of instrumental error was tiny @Bob
On a less scientific level, human's conscience can't be measured. A note for those who believe that zero is the lowest level - it's not! There's a whole negative abscissa to measure conscienceless.
It's true that intelligence, which will never have a unanimously agreed upon method of measurement. This is because concepts like happiness are vaguely defined. Their definition does not make reference to physically measurable properties.
@Aleksandr Maryukhin
No, I tend to believe that if someone is gonna measure humans' conscience / conscienceless - it would be an asymptote-pathological process ...
Do you measure 'Energy' per se or phenomena assumed to reflect 'Energy' (e.g. physical mobility)?
versus
Do you measure Emotions/Feelings per se or phenomena assumed to reflect Emotions/Feelings?
Etc...
Let's assume that all what is measured in Life/Nature requires a visible expression, which implies that everything that exists in Life/Nature is transformed in Something visible before it can be measured?
Example:
How to mesure sound?
http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/virtualexhibit/6measuringsound.html
Any subjective thing has no accurately outlined criteria of measurement. It depends on will of the specific person.
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