Dear @Vadim S. Gorshkov and other colleagues,

"The main attributes of a predatory journal are publication fee and the absence of peer review".

The main attributes of most acceptable journals also include a publication fee and a heavy one - especially if ones wants one's work to be on open access. If one cannot pay this fee as one is not working for a sponsoring institution or has no financial backing, then you can give your copy write to the journal and they then see the article. I also call this "predatory behaviour" as independent researchers are caught up in a situation that does not fascinate the expansion of independent research.

There are so called predatory journals that also do peer review - I have submitted to one of them and their requirements were so strict that it could six months before the article came out.

We therefore really have to define what is a "predatory journal" before we can legitimately answer this question.

Warm regards - Tina

Very interesting and stimulating query@ Craig Refugio

I am following.

Thanks

Dear Craig ,

I am not in favor of sueing what are often labeled as Predator Journals . Main stream journals often will not publish articles which go against their or the current paradigm which is dominating in science at the moment so non mainstream journals are often necessary to ensure alternative views go out. So the question is who decides what is non main stream and what is a predictor journal?

warm Regards

Tina

i think we must have a legislation that give us the right to sue such journals . or instead we can start a new organization to defend or rights .

Interesting question. Predatory journals are very big problem.

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My question exactly. Following closely!

These journals may be issued inside countries have a weak legal control, so it is difficult to prosecute them. However, colleagues may suggest practical ways to address this problem.

The main attributes of a predatory journal are publication fee and the absence of peer review. Thanks to this, any delusions can be published. Normally, previewing is not a struggle with "alternative views", but a barrier to non-scientific and unproven work. Tina Lindhard's point of view of has a right to exist, but alternative views make sense to run through conferences and convince colleagues of its legitimacy. Promotion of new views never was easy task. In reality, alternative views are often "flat Earth", etc. There is a need for people to publish unscientific works - let them publish; courts and the struggle are not needed for such publications. It is enough not to publish there himself and not to refer to the works published in such journals.

I do not think so, because it usually surrounds itself with a legal system to protect it, nor did it force you to publish in it.

Dear @Vadim S. Gorshkov and other colleagues,

"The main attributes of a predatory journal are publication fee and the absence of peer review".

The main attributes of most acceptable journals also include a publication fee and a heavy one - especially if ones wants one's work to be on open access. If one cannot pay this fee as one is not working for a sponsoring institution or has no financial backing, then you can give your copy write to the journal and they then see the article. I also call this "predatory behaviour" as independent researchers are caught up in a situation that does not fascinate the expansion of independent research.

There are so called predatory journals that also do peer review - I have submitted to one of them and their requirements were so strict that it could six months before the article came out.

We therefore really have to define what is a "predatory journal" before we can legitimately answer this question.

Warm regards - Tina

Reviewer is not GOD..It is his opinion only. once rejected by one journal may be accepted by another...depending on so many aspects....

"Some papers in the predatory journals are far better than papers in formal journals."

People can directly chose the article than the journal.

I think there is no such provision.

Dear Dr. Tina Lindhard. I fully agree with your thesis: "We therefore really have to define what is a "predatory journal" before we can legitimately answer this question". Things must be properly named (Confucius). On the other hand, all we understand, for example, what garbage is, avoiding in practice a clear definition.

However, anyway I don't know any "acceptable journals", which require payment for publication. They get money for selling our publications. It is another matter if you want to provide "Free access" to the text. Then they really ask you to pay. Otherwise, they do not earn anything at all, it's their business. As for the timing - I've never expected publication for more than 3 months. Except for Russian magazines ... But this is another topic.

Nevertheless, the approach when any text is published only due to payment does not seem to me reasonable. Moreover, such an article will coexist for the most part with complete delirium products.

The usual way for people who want to promote something new is the search for like-minded people, including editorial boards of magazines. (Initially you work for a reputation – and after it works for you). The second way is to publish books at own expense. Many people do so. However, in my opinion, throwing own article in a cloaca (I mean not well defined "predatory journal") is not a good solution.

Any criticism, even the most unfair and biased, is useful. Peer-reviewed journals give this. If you do that the reviewer understands you, and you find arguments to protect own position, then the readers have a chance to understand you too.

Research is an endless process. 35 years back I started my research. I am an independent thinker, I do not need to bow to somebody. I have submitted my ideas to big brains, politely they rejected. Even then I continued to study and substantiated my ideas by studying further in the same line and methodology.

At that time my ideas may be weak but given a path to new ideas simultaneously I developed my ideas with relevant contemporary research. .....But there is lot of improvement. No need of judgment by others...since it is a process of research.Some corrected and some modified...but substantiated. later when open access started I published my ideas openly(I will say it as posted by paying to some body) With the reference of those ideas I proposed new concepts which are at par with great works. I am not saying my earlier works are 'appropriate' but without them it is not possible to achieve the further good research. I have not removed those previous publications(postings by paying) to show the world that 'how the research transfers from chaotic ideas to great works' . If i would have not gone through this process, I would have remained as a madman and my research will be used by some others OR I would have remained as a simply follower of skeptic and foolish dictators of research. This nature has given me support to sustain. Still I have lot of Key secrets of my research is with me so that others can not carry it without my concern. Now I am in a position to deliver very significant research results.

This is enough to elaborate the significance. When the research is open to all automatically it will be recommended by researchers of good nature. At lest they will not say it as a crime. They will keep quite if they can not understand because they do not have criminal nature. Where there is involvement of funding there exists such conspiracies. "Knowledge and wisdom are rights of every individual"

If by "Predatory Journal" you mean a Journal that contacts you and offers to publish your work for a fee, and as Tina says 'a usually hefty fee at that', kind of like a 'predatory lender' who offers to make you a loan to buy a house, or refinance a house, and at a 'usually hefty fee and interest rate' ! I have not been approached by such an agency, though perhaps I'd take it as a compliment. LOL

viXra publishes for free, but one poster there posts such poorly thought-out stuff, and such poorly written stuff, like he's half stoned half the time, I was waiting a while to make any postings myself. It's been what 5 years now? As like Siva above, I am getting closer to making publication, as yearly study and editing has improved my so-called "Papers" at this point. Not being a 'professional' in this zeitgeist I will likely take a lot of criticism, especially from the "paid government trolls" who have a hidden agenda on behalf of the corporations who run governments to protect, but I can quite well respond to that. So, in answer to your question, finally !, What exactly would you want to be suing the 'predatory journal' for ??? and what would be your 'legal argument' and desired outcome should you prevail in Court ?