Promotion systems in some universities limit the number of publications in one journal. What is your opinion?
The contents of publications are more important than the journal(s), or not?
Yes dear Marcel. The content of publications are very important. But at the same time concentrating all your publications in one or two journals, or not, is also important.
I do prefer to publish in several journals as each journal has different scope than others.
Dear Mahfuz, In the ideal situation, I would say yes (if I was able to do that, but I was not!)
You said "Promotion systems in some universities limit the number of publications in one journal" I think that reflects the quality of the journal itself. I wish I could publish all my papers in Nature, but I never did any! So if the journal is well-known and highly reputed with high IF I cant see any reason why some university's promotion systems would possibly say NO, would they?
Dear Ra`ed,
You do prefer to publish in several journals even though the one or two journals are of high impact factor?
Dear Dr. Mahfuz,
In my research, sometimes are possible to change a little the focus of paper development (management of infrastructure, urban policies, urban planning, energy ...). This allows to seek various journals for publication.
Thanks for sharing the question.
Best Regards,
Vanessa
Is it a question of the journal(s) or the article(s) as such? That shall make all the difference, dear Mahfouz! Well-said dear Marcel!
I agree with kamal and Ra'ed, Publishing in different journals, with several scopes and visions, expand the number of colleagues who can see my work.
As a young researcher, I was proud to publish in a very important journal. But today I have deviating opinions. Try not to pay to much, find well doing referees, look at needed time interval and availability of the journal for all similar researchers for your field.
I think it is definitely possible for researchers to have a favourite editor and publisher. Different universities may have different policies on the matter. Generally speaking, there are benefits to both-- having a niche audience as well as being able to reach out to a greater segment of the population. There would, of course, be other variables as well such as the contents of the paper, the resources and protocols of the publication company, as well as the comfort levels between a researcher/institution and the publishing house, as pointed out by Dr Kamal.
Hello,
I would rather aim at at least several. After all, being writers we want to aquire the widest possible audience and feedback, don't we?
To me, all research in only one or two journals would look suspicious - today we've got more journals then readers, not mentioning loads of articles we produce...
Yes Mafhuz, i would probably tend to think that there is sth else then only an altruistic and Innocent attachment to a certain journal...
Marcel and Marwan are right, theoretically should be indifferent. But in practice, the publishing in some journals can be limited due to mere politics, promotion interests, or published “knowledge”, and some works can be hidden for long time compulsively from the scientific community. (Thus I have to agree with the first answer of Kamal).
I publish more than half of my papers in a few journals that are considered to be important in my fields. As I have varied research interests, I also publish a small number of papers in a number of other journals suitable to the topics concerned.
The examples provided such as "favorite relationship", "look suspicious" ... are exceptions. What we are talking about here should be based on facts and practices by majority. Maybe some promotion systems have good reasons for rejecting certain journals. Here we have a black-listed journals. If we publish in there then no grant, no promotion and some punishment instead! So the quality of the journal is important. Actually, I know that few of my friends in the faculty of electrical engineering whom insisting to publish in IEEE journals only and don't consider other journals good enough! BTW, IEEE has most readers throughout the world and it is an honor publishing in it and wont look suspicious to any serous researcher!
I think that the ideal situation is that no researcher prefers to publish all of his scientific articles in one or two journal; however, in many fields like Mathematics, the number of specialized journals are limited and, therefore, the publication competition is high and it is a wish to have a paper accepted in these journals.
Dear @Mahfuz, as you say "Promotion systems in some universities limit the number of publications in one journal", I would say it is very bad practice! Freedom of Journal's choice belongs to the author, not the institution.
It is easier for the author to publish papers in few journals for many reasons, but the question which arise is it feasible!?
I didn't publish manuscripts only for promotion, but to transfer our knowledge to others. To make the scientific manuscript more effective, you have to publish your works in different journals. The most of scientific facts were appeared after collecting information from different works which they published in diverse journals.
No, Researchers have diverse research interests. These interests are also dynamic and change as time progress and they gain more experience. Hence, they need to publish in journals fitted to these different topics and they cannot confine themselves to one or two journals only.
Every paper has a specific topic. So the choice depends on the target of the journal. I experienced that this method gives to my manuscripts an excellent visibilty.
Definitely, no way. Moreover, publishing most of your papers in only one or two journals sends a wrong message (= favoritism, nepotism, corruption, etc.). In fact, part of a researcher's intelligence consists in diversifying - the risks, the horizons, the levels, the audience, etc.
A nice experiment would be trying empirically to prove that there is one or several scientists who have concentrated (= published) their research in only one or two journals. Since I do not have the empirical proof, I dare to answer intuitively and from the small range of my friends and colleagues that the answer is indeed, negative.
This issue is important to me because I have never asked me this question and I discovered the different views expressed on the subject. Personally, I submit articles in journals I like to read and dealing with topics that interest me, mostly in French...It's that I find appropriate to publish for the usual mix of reasons that led us all to do it.
No top journal will ever publish 5 or 10 of your articles every year (2 may be ok; in some fields, maybe more): if you write a lot, you have to send them to different journals. Also, I agree with some previous comments that the topic & methodology but also the overall quality of your paper have to fit the journal.
Bravo, Fikrat! I too favor publication for disinterested diffusion of information, irrespective of the choice of journal. Of course I refer to an array of peer-reviewed journals, and not to journals without rigor. I must say, dear Mahfuz, that I have never heard of a tenure-promotion committee or of a dean of the faculty denying promotion or tenure on the grounds of the particular journal(s) chosen for the candidate´s publication. At least I cannot recall this ever happening in the Humanities, although maybe it does in the material and social sciences. Promotion and/or tenure are most often denied if there is insufficient quantity of research.
Publishing in a variety of journals is probably preferred but it should not be forced on faculty by an administrative bureaucracy. "Promotion systems in some universities limit the number of publications in one journal." I can't see universities in the US doing this. If it happens in other countries it's a poorly considered policy. A researcher may have "just cause" for preferring one or two specific journals.
Although publishing in different journals is preferable, the issues of 'high impact factor' is likely to facilitate publishing in few journals in order to maintain one's tenure in a university. Another related issue is that it appears that some universities ''grade journals above the quality of articles''; thus, what matters is where you published your work and not its quality. I know that it may be argued that highly graded journals publish high quality articles, but it may not always be. So these developments where people are hired or promoted based on the grade of journal their articles were published (mainly because of its impact factor) may force some academics in certain countries to publish in few journals.
I believe that the problem has different views. Mahmoud said that few of his friends in the faculty of electrical engineering whom insisting to publish in IEEE journals only and don't consider other journals good enough! BTW, IEEE has most readers throughout the world and it is an honor publishing in it and wont look suspicious to any serous researcher!
On the other hand, most comments as Ierardi and Kamal said that publishing in various journals gives to the articles more visibility and expand the number of colleagues who can see work.
Definitely, the answer is no.
I concur with what @Kamal Eddin Bani-Hani has cogently written. It is important to publish in more than one journal to expand the dialogue about the topics in one's articles and to make one's work accessible to more than one journal readership.
Publishing one's articles in the same journal has the effect of turning articles into chapters in a book, i.e., the collection of articles by one author published in the same journal takes on the appearance of a book with a limited audience.
A model for article publishing is provided by Henri Poicar\'{e}, who published 5 major articles on Analysis situs (topology). The first of the 5 articles was published in 1892 in his University journal, the 2nd in the London Math. Soc. journal and the remaining 3 articles in Rend. del Circ. Matematico di Palermo. See
http://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~aar/papers/poincare2009.pdf
http://kssarkaria.org/docs/Sarkaria-Analysis-Situs.pdf
In my opinion, I would like to see my papers published in a group of important journals in each of the different fields and not in only one journal. Two considerations should be used as guidance: The paper should good enough to be published and the journal should has a respected position in the field.
In Mathematics, specialized papers should be read by those who are specialized in the same field. Reading e.g. Wiles proof of Fermat's last Theorem, only few mathematicians can read the paper. Thus in this case the readers are not a wide number but a small group of mathematicians. So the papers should go to journals that usually the relevant group reads.Finally the number of journals specialized in some sub-field of mathematics are not many.
For faculty around the world, the mantra is "Publish or Perish". Not everyone is Albert Einstein or George David Birkhoff or Henri Poincare. So, if there are journals (SCI or Scopus with positive impact factors), then young faculty go for publishing their works there. If they restrict their choice to 2-3 journals only, then they undergo risk of "no publication", when these journals reject or take long time to process their paper submissions.
Good luck!
Dear Eraldo. Publishing in the most prestigious journals like Nature and Science can open doors! This is story that may be interesting to read.
Jeffrey Rimer [Rimer, J. D. et al. Science 330, 337–341 (2010).] has noticed a change in the way other scientists treat him since his paper on kidney-stone growth inhibitors appeared on the cover of Science three years ago. When his colleagues introduce him, they often mention his publications or the publicity he has garnered, which he interprets as a nod to his Science paper. “From the reaction of colleagues, it's almost like you've joined a club,” says Rimer, a chemical engineer and assistant professor at the University of Houston in Texas. “Fair or unfair, it's like you've proved you can do good science.”
Researchers often say that publishing in prestigious journals can make a career. And for decades, the most sought after of the bunch have been Nature and Science — broadly read journals that reject more than 90% of the manuscripts they receive. A paper in one of these journals, it is said, can bring job opportunities, invitations to speak, grants, promotions and even cash bonuses and prizes. Rimer believes that his Science paper contributed to his winning a grant from the Welch Foundation, a chemical-research funding organization based in Houston, in 2012, and he expects that it may help when he seeks tenure at his university.
Final word, I emphasize again, publishing in the top-tier journal is difficult and where our paper is published is not as important as who did the work and how technically adept it is
It depends on content and quality of the paper and scope and quality of the Journal. One should not publish papers in one or two journals because it gives different indication. One should choose the journal according to content and quality of the journal.
Dear Ronald says "I would consider such a guy, as a totally joker." But I would rather to call them Nobel Prize winners (already or potentially)! Please let be fair before accusing someone.
Dear Mahmoud - I agree with you that Ronald has used some uncharacteristically strong language. I know of some Professors who reached the status of Editor-in-Chief of some SCI-E journals with good Impact Factor and afterwards, they start publishing in their own journals - especially works with their PhD students and Post-Doc fellows. However, they reached such high positions because of hard work and research articles with good citations, and the papers written by Editor-in-Chief are also blind-reviewed by the publishers (usual procedure). Methinks Ronald did not like the Q asked here..
Best wishes, Sundar
Absolutely not. Different papers have content suitable for various journals. Some papers may be published in their native language because they are designed to inform the scientific community at home. Other papers may be published in journals with impact factor and have to raise own prestige.
No. I would prefer variety so that I am able to reach a larger number of readers. For, every one wants that one's work is not only of good quality; is published in a reputed journal; but also that the work is read, commented upon and quoted by a larger number of scholars/peers. That is possible if my researches are published in a variety of good journals.
@ Dear Sundar. Your contribution is highly appreciated. I agree with you that if there are journals (SCI or Scopus with positive impact factors), then young faculty go for publishing their works there. If they restrict their choice to 2-3 journals only, then they undergo risk of "no publication".
Debi and Mahfuz: Our research work needs promotion. Most researchers use 'Google Search', and Indexing Databases like "Scopus", "MathSciNet", "ScienceDirect" etc to read recent papers published in their areas. If our work is relevant to the work of the researchers, then definitely people will download our articles which is easy for open-access journals, but which requires subscription for commercial journals. However, abstracts of our papers will be always available there, which gives a bird's eye view of our research articles. I use plenary talks in Conferences and MATLAB workshops to promote my research. With regards, Sundar
Dear Debi. I understand your concern and preference "to reach a larger number of readers" Everyone like that. If you see my previous answers you see that I was talking about IEEE. Even the publication is specialized but it has the largest number of readers. So sending to different journals does not necessarily guarantee more readers nor more citations. Sometimes narrowing your selection of journal seems more logical (e.g., in maths). However, if our research is of multidisciplinary nature we can widen our selections a bit more.
Dear Mahfuz Judeh
I think it depends on different factors. Sometimes, you have to target other journals because the content of your paper does not suit the scope of the journal you have previously published in. However, a new challenge is really needed in the field of research. Publishing your work in different journals can bring you many benefits. One of these important benefits is that your work can be accessed to a great number of readers. Therefore, your work can be cited by various researchers.
Hello, referring to the question, I think it's one of the best ideas proposed so far. It is much better if we publish in different journals, thus ruling out the doubts that may arise in the opinion of our colleagues. It is a well-utrzciwe and provides both ourselves and the research that we do. I should mention that we should not be limited only to those journals that are highly scored (IF). On the contrary, publishing in journals of new, aspiring to the ranking but also those who, despite various efforts is difficult to get the IF, we can test the feasibility and usefulness of our research problems, but often in these magazines, you can get very specific and helpful opinions of reviewers, though not always positive .
Dear Agnieszka,
Your comments are highly appreciated. I agree with you that It is much better if we publish in different journals.
Publishing in different has many advantages, such as more visibility to researcher and thus more citations of the work are expected.
What kind of society are researchers helping to build? Politics is the business of the interests; make money is the business itself, and the last, but not the least, marketing of the intellectual image looks the business of researchers. Probably this is what Judah is really demonstrating to all with this question, dear Roland.
Let me trying to make a synthesis and cite Martin Luther King (as Kamal did) “I have a dream”, and Barack Obama “yes we can”.
Thank you dear Antonio. Yes, that is the aim of my question. We show the young researchers that it is not proper to publish your articles in one or two journals.
It is better for researchers, especially, young researchers to publish their articles in various journals of different impact factors. The discussions of this question were fruitful.
Everyday, we receive many e-mails from editors calling for publishing in their journals. Can you believe that an editor makes ads to the journal s/he is in charge of?
Dear Mahfuz, In a parallel questions our friends are talking about maximizing the number of publications. Here they are in favor of maximizing the number of our publication in various journals. Actually, they have conflict of opinions. Can you tell me what should I do if I can not (unable or have not) written any good quality paper how can i advise others to maximize these and to minimize that and vice versa or what is right / wrong for others to do? Maybe it is a good idea for some people pretending to be intellectual to look inside and put our mind in gear before putting our mouth in motion. Action before advise.
Dear Mafoz says "Everyday, we receive many e-mails from editors calling for publishing in their journals. Can you believe that an editor makes ads to the journal s/he is in charge of?" That is not true if the journal is funded by big institutes *Elsevier, Taylor and Francis, IEEE, Wiley, ...). What you get in e-mails are junk mails and they are business journals looking for your money. Just delete them right away. They are predatory journals and fake journals not real ones. Have you received any letter from one of Elsevier editors? Probably no except when they launch a new journal.
Yes, dear Mahmoud. I agree with you that receiving many e-mails from editors calling for publishing in their journals, can not be made by journals of good reputation, such as Elsevier or Taylor and Francis or IEEE or Wiley.
Doing research, I believe, means selecting a topic – through literature survey gather information about the state of art – select a problem then solve it. To select a problem, therefore, needs lot of effort. If the problem is large enough then more than one papers come out from that. I think papers on the same topic should be published in one single journal. This is so because the readers will find it easy to get the pre-requisite information from my earlier paper(s).
In our School of Education, there is no conversation about how many journals one has published in, only the number of publications and the level of the journal. On the other hand, I have run into journals limiting the number of submissions to one per year from an author (current context - I am doing a study with a sociologist that would best fit in Sociology of Education, but she just had a different piece published there so we need to find it another home, probably shifting the focus of the study).
If the journals are very reputed then its OK but not for all.
By publishing in various journals we can send our researches to multiple audiences. I believe one should repeat journal only after 1 year.
Choosing the right journal for your paper can dramatically increase your chances of publication. Access to quality research is vital to the scientific community . Growth in the number of specialized journals tells how the addiction field has grown in size and complexity. To make this critical decision, you need to consider a variety of factors including audience, acceptance rate, impact factor, topic relevance and even submission logistics. We should be ready to face challenge and change journals to publish our papers.
The journal readership is one of the main criteria because in that case you will find appropriate readers, which further increases the chances of citations and dissemination of your work.
Dear all,
Thank you for interesting discussion.
I prefer publishing my articles in substantial number of high impact journals of relevant theme with due consideration to their circulation statistics and audience so that my work could reach to larger number of researcher.
It is irrelevant, since in most of the cases a journal probably will not publish in a short time interval a second work of you, for its own reasons.
Dear colleagues,
I was absent for the last three days because of computer connection problem. To the question, publication is just making research results known to your readers and that is perfectly alright if it is done through one or two journals.
In fact in most cases, journals are not general subject journals, but of specific and specialized fields and therefore people who have specialty in a specific field will always tend to send their results not every where but to these specific journals which by the way has a benefit for readers and followers to expect results of their favorite author in a similar place.
Many good International / National Journals are very expensive and they take time for publication but they will be referred by international researchers from few libraries.
I prefer may papers to be published in low cost Journals and easy to reach sources such that many researchers can reach and get benefited.
Dr.S.Ravindran
Dear Dejenie Welcome back. Thank you for your reasoning. I was feeling lonely making all rebuttal about the other side of the story and make it crystal-clear that what we practice is not always what we should practice. Thanks.
Dear all,
I appreciate all contributions to this question which are valuable and rich. Thank you all.
I think it coulld be a revolutionary option with some undoubtful benefits, but also a limitation for the author's ability to experience different aspects of his field of investigation.
Dear Kamal So "ONE online journal which charge fees for publication????????????" is the worst senario, yet some people are not able to do this too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To be or not to be this is the question. The rest seems slogan. No one can force anyone to do what he/she thinks is right. Only the action matters.
Dear Kamal. I also think that this is the worst or one of the worst scenarios that an author could face for the publication of its manuscripts, particularly if the author live outside the developed world.
According to possible @Kamal's scenario, the number of papers in this case would be very small as both researchers and professors wages are small in non-developed countries, as publication fees are high!!! You are right @Jorge, it is the worst scenario!
This discussion concerns the issue very irritating us all. Publish a lot in various magazines with IF renowned and reputable but do not have the IF, as such we know Frost. Do you publish little and only in those with Impakt factor and be aware that, after all, few of us can read it, because apart from the cost of publication uiszczonym by the author, read it and also has his pay. Or publish only one journal, which often gives rise to some suspicion, especially if the magazine is IF. In general, reading all the comments, everyone we speak with one voice, and we have the same sentence, it might make sense to do something. Take any action that slightly changed to existing realities.
It is good topic for debating. Now a days we have thousands of journal in the hard copy and on-line form. Do we have enough time to go through all journals / conference reports to get one paper?
Many institutions do not prefer to have e-library due some reasons. Students and staff find it difficult to pay for the journal papers.
I must say that we are lucky to have Google and RG for information on papers.
Dr.S.Ravindran
This discussion shows the importance of the theory of knowledge in science. Is absurd try to impose our logic to the logic of nature or reality? If some false researchers (probably politic) shift this fundamental behaviour, much less rubbish is produced and choice of journals would be irrelevant (there were no articles to defend).
Sure Marcel choice of journal depends on the contents of publications.
Dear António Good answer. We must be honest to ourselves. At the end of our carrier we will be part of history. So make correct decision and show the correct path to younger generation before it is too late. Answer them what would you do if you were them.
No. Selection of Journal would depend on the contents of an article.
Dear Mahfuz, dear colleagues,
I need to explain something before giving my answer to the posted question. I enjoy watching sport events when participants compete, fight and sacrifice themselves to win. But I can’t see myself in the same role. Some years ago in a private conversation with an elder colleague I said “I am not a champion”. My educated colleague was unable to hide his anger. Probably he interpreted my words as if I consider myself better, while the main question is not to be better or worse. We should understand that each of us can have different motivation to be in the science. I understand and respect individuals who compete honestly in the science to be number one, number two and so on. Unfortunately nobody believes when somebody says that he doesn’t like to be part of such a competition.
When somebody is young and wants to dedicate himself to the investigation then it is understandable that he follows the rules, traditions in order to find his place in this small world called science. This world is not perfect. There are group interests, individual interests, egos and finally illnesses to think that if somebody has performed a good investigation then his work will be adequately appreciated. Hope that I will be understood correctly if say that personally I don’t see much sense to waste my time and energy to publish in “respected journals” while it doesn’t change the content of the study.
Dear Kazaros. I disagree with last part of your answer. If you don’t see much sense to waste your time and energy to publish in “respected journals” while it doesn’t change the content of the study. why then you bother to publish it anyway? I dont think this is a waste of time and energy. What does it imply if you get published in a “respected journal”? It implies your paper is widely examined prior to publication. Is not this what we really should do?
Dear Mahmoud: I try to take correct decisions everyday and everybody knows the quality of my work. My advice for all is that all should follow the good examples of work, humility, honesty and verticality (as I try to do everyday).
Academics are starting to boycott a big publisher of journals...! It is 2012 story, but it is very educative! Such a good reading! Then we shall get into matter deeper! maybe we shal understand each other as scholars better!
http://www.economist.com/node/21545974
Dear Mahmud,
What you mean saying “widely examined prior to publication”? I don’t know how is examined a manuscript prior to publication in your field. I guess I have published in some journals which are considered (or were considered) respected journals. Interestingly in many cases I know who the reviewer was but in no any case they were widely examined. In fact in mathematics if somebody has done more or less deep work then the number of people who can examine it in a reasonable period is not so high. Thus mainly it is a question of trust. Another example from my experience to show that widely examinations doesn’t guarantee that the paper has quality. Few months ago I was reviewing a paper and describe that in a journal with a very high impact factor it was published an empty article. I mean an article which has no new results; everything was known and published 30-40 years ago.
The question was what my preference about a concrete matter is. If you disagree with the last part of my answer you say that you know my preferences better than me?
It's so fascinating to publish articles in different journals and disseminate presentations everywhere.Especially if we have an opportunity to discuss ideas of the paper face-to-face before publication It's a process of mutual enrichment and self-improvement.
Dear Kazaros Thank you for prompt answer. Please dont take it personal. I was not against (disagree) about your preferences. You can do per wish. I was in disagreement with your last statement "does not make sense to waste my time and energy" and said it is a false statement. I wanted to emphasis (by way of example) that it does make sense!
Dear Mahmud,
I guess we are talking about a very important issue. Let me express you proposition in other words. You say that if somebody dedicated himself to investigation then the main point should be the recognition, which particularly will be reflected by publications in high impact journals.
My point is that the recognition depends from so many subjective factors that one should not dedicate himself to such a profession if he find satisfaction only in the recognition by others. There are much easier ways to publish in good journals almost doing nothing. It seems that it is also a profession which I don’t respect.
In my opinion the recognition and the value of an idea does not depend on subjective factors...but these factors do not depend on the nature of the journal in which you are published nor what you are saying at one time..."space and time are responsable to highlight the importance of the subject and of one who wears it" V Jankelevitch.
Dear Kazaros says "You say that if somebody dedicated himself to investigation then the main point should be the recognition, which particularly will be reflected by publications in high impact journals." and then continue by saying ".one should not dedicate himself to such a profession if he find satisfaction only in the recognition by others." ..
From these and your previous discussions I can conclude:
1) “respected journals” = publications in high impact journals
2) satisfaction = recognition by others = main point of investigation
I do agree with 1) but disagree with 2)
There is a correlation between "content" and "container". If I go to a supermarket to buy some food for me both the quality and packaging are important. When a manuscript get to the stage of blind-review in a peer-review journal it does not mean I get satisfaction or getting recognition, It means the end result will be a "better" product than the originally submitted manuscript. So you think we need "recognition by others" but I see it as "an examination of my work" if it has quality, correctness and high standard (content, clarity, presentations, discussion, conclusion, future plan, valid references, ...) then it is accepted. Do you really think if someone send something to some journal and get acceptance and published without going through these stages is the most we can hope for? What is the main point of investigation if it is based on a wrong theory. Should it be published?What are the consequences?people may follow those results and ruin the life of others, get others killed (e.g., prescribing a wrong chemical reaction), destroy everything (e.g., formulating how to make a dangerous tool), ...,
Dear Mahmud,
You misinterpret my words. But it doesn’t matter. It can be a good example to show what occurs sometimes when a third person reviews ones work.
My preferences are based on my experience. For sure you don’t know much about my personal experience. But you try to refute conclusions to which I came on the bases of my experience. You should also have in mind that in my first post I have said that I respect and understand other opinions.
@ Dear Irina,
I fully agree with your comment regarding publishing articles in different journals and disseminate presentations everywhere, especially if we have an opportunity to discuss ideas of the paper face-to-face before publication.
I believe papers should be discussed in the department meeting with colleagues in the same specialization before sending it to the editor. The author can, through this discussion, exchabge ideas with her/his colleagues and make necessary amendments, if necessary.
You are right dear @Roland. Egoism harms science and must be stopped! Such cases are so common in my community!
I agree with comments of Dear Kazaros S. Kazarian and J Perriot. Yes only published papers are not the sole indicator of one's recognisition in the scientific arena rather recognition depends from many other factors. I also endorse the views of dear Roland that egoism is detrimental to science.