Thanks for this question and for Dr Zubair comprehensive answer.
Before choosing, you also must take into consideration what are the criterions used by your administration to assess your work.
In several countries ISI has been for years the only index considered. But Scopus os becoming more and more recognized as well.
So carefully check this before...
best
Gil
As per my understanding, ISI indexed journals carry more weight as such journals are of Impact factors. There are many journals with lower or no impact factors but are ranked much higher. Since in Pakistan, Impact factor journals are valued so my suggestion is to publish your publications in ISI indexed journals.
Many journals are indexed by both databases, so you can consider publishing in just such a journal.
Hi,
Generally, JCR journals are more credible than others. Most of them are indexed by Scopus also.
Hi
The choice should be not among the indexing databases but among the journals. The best thing is to publish in a journal with a good impact, that covers your area of research, and preferably is published by a quality publisher. Chances are that this type of journal will be covered by both JCR and Scopus.
Hello Zubair,
My recommendation is to focus on the quality, and novelty of your research, then select a good relevant jounal according to your topic. Regarding scopus or ISI, both databases are excellent. Good luck
Hi, it is difficult to assess the quality based on indexing database as you mentioned. Apparently, I think ISI listed journals are better compared to Scopus. However, I think http://www.scimagojr.com/journalrank.php this website is very good to determine the quality of journal. Just pick the Quartile 1 (Q1) journal which is generally very good journal irrespective of impact factor.
I also recommend you focus on quality not quantity. Whether you publish in a journal indexed by Scopus or ISI your article with be judged by its quality. Just publish in a world wide recognized journal.
I prefere journals with high impact factors according to Thomson Reuters criterion.
Dear Dr. Zubair Ahmad , comparing ISI and Scopus as a source for citations provides mixed results. In general, Scopus provides a higher citation count than ISI, both in the Sciences and in the Social Sciences and Humanities. In the Sciences, this increase in only marginal (except for Computer Science), whilst in the Social Sciences and Humanities, this increase is substantial.
Scopus appears to have a much broader journal coverage for the Social Sciences and Humanities than ISI and hence provides a fairer comparison. Whilst in ISI academics working in the Sciences have on average 17.5 times as many citations as the academics working in the Social Sciences and Humanities, in Scopus this difference is reduced to 7.5 times.
However, for the time being Scopus is hindered by its lack of coverage before 1996. This means that for most established academics in the Sciences, Scopus will lead to lower lifetime citation counts than ISI. In the Social Sciences and Humanities, a substantially increased citation count is likely for academics who have published the majority of their highly cited work after 1996.
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Thanks for this question and for Dr Zubair comprehensive answer.
Before choosing, you also must take into consideration what are the criterions used by your administration to assess your work.
In several countries ISI has been for years the only index considered. But Scopus os becoming more and more recognized as well.
So carefully check this before...
best
Gil
Scopus-indexed journals and articles are more conveniently accessible than in ISI.
But most academicians in universities are required to publish in ISI journals. I think the reason is that impact factor is higher for those in ISI.
If you need publish papers whit high impact factor can decide for ISI, Scopus is better for the citation record
Dear all.
I think that any one of us had enough objective elements to answer this question. Both of ISI and SCOPUS are internationally recommend.
Dear Ahmed, the most important is to publish good results in a good journal with a good Impact factor. If you want to publish your first paper, start by journal with low impact factor (IF =1 to 2 or less than 1). You can also publish in new journals without IF if your results are not really original.that will help you to occure more experience in scientific writing.
With time, you can choose journal with higher IF.
So, don't worry a lot about the choose between ISI, SCOPUS or other. Focus on journal!
Good luck
Dear Mahe
TO my opinion the impact factor is very important
generally speaking , journals indexed in the ISI List of clarivate (not the Emerging Sources Citation Index: the expanded list) have an impact factor
an important part of the journal in scopus do not have an impact factors
this is only an opinion
Thank for all
The impact factor is calculated by dividing the number of citations by the number of papers published dirong a period o f time generally 2 years for ISI and SCOPUS proposes also an IF on 2 years but also on 3 and 5 years.
Once a journal is indexed by Clarivate or scopus or even researchgate or scholar it is possible to calculate an impact factor.
So both ISI and scopus give impact factors ro aml the journals that are indexed
If you want to have a journal with a high impact factor it is advisable to choose ISI, but if you want to increase your citation index you have to go to Scopus.
No
Isi and scopus index the same journals.
Their impact factors are calculated similarly.
The difference between the IF of journals between ISI ans SCOPUS comes from the fact that scopus indexes more journals than ISI so that the number of citations is higher. Then automatically the IF are higher.
Dear ALL
I dont know that the IF of scopus and ISI to be of equal SCIENTIFIC value.
I undestand that the impact factor is provided in juin of each year by clarivate (in the past thomson reuters)
for example: Journal of hydrology journal (IF=4.405 ISI) and the water and land developement ( indexed in scopus without IF ISI), the two journal are INDEXED IN SCOPUS
Does the two have the same scientific values? TO MY OPINION No never
This is onyl a scientific opinion
thank for all
Salim Heddam I agree with your opinion. In addition a research scholar should only consider the quality & IF of the journal not the indexing databases but it is highly recommended to publish in quality journals indexed in either ISI or Scopus.
Indeed, our scientific bodies require researchers to publish articles in ISI indexed journals, Scopus, etc., in order to apply for scientific promotions.
These universities want to encourage their researchers to publish, all for these universities to progress in the rankings.
The ISI and SCOPUS indexed journals are worth another notch for ISI, as long as those indexed in ISI are larger than those indexed in SCOPUS.
Both SCOPUS and ISI are good in current time. You just need to see which journal suits and covers the scope and results of your paper. Moreover, if you are a new researcher like me, you should focus more on SCOPUS for first or second of your papers and gradually take chances with low to high IF journals.
Hope I helped.
Wish you all the best.
regardless of most renowned journals are indexed in either the Scopus or ISI database, publishing in whatsoever journal depends greatly on how influenced that journal is particularly in your area of expertise. Most of the time, journals like that can have a slightly small but decent number of IF due to their narrow aims and scope which serves the readership of limited audiences, sometimes not for laypeople. And, comparing them with a journal with much larger IF but for a much wider scope is lame, nonsense, and lack of scientific basis.
The IF value has no importance, and virtually we do not need any indexation to judge the value of a paper, we can judge it by ourselves.
BUT, for the great majority of us, our subventions come from from administrations and research calls which consider the publications with ISI or SCOPUS indexation. That is a reality.
And we can not avoid this if our research needs money to be realized.
So this is not a judgment of value, but a quasi "economic" stress that oblige us to consider publishing in journals indexed by ISI and/or SCOPUS.
And if you look at it, quite all journals where we use to publish, are referecend by bot ISI and SCOPUS. So that it is not much difficult to meet.
Bonjour
Bien sûr les revues avec Impact Facteur sont les meilleurs et seul ISI Thomson a l'impact Facteur (IF). De plus IF varie de 0,001 à 50 ou 60. Plus l'impact factor est élevé.... plus la revue est bien.
Sans hésiter choisissez un grand IF..... mais le temps pour la publication peut-être long..
The impact factor of a journal is calculated from the number of citations to the papers it publishes.
Thus once an indexation site counts the citations it can calculate the IF of journals. That is why SCOPUS, Google scholar and Researchgate give also impact factors to all journals.
Moreover, the level of IF depends only on the number of citations. Thus the more journals are indexed the higher is the IF. ISI hah the lowest number of journals indexed so give the lowest IF. Then it is SCOPUS then RG that give the highest IF. Google scholar do not give IF.
And as the h index is calculated also from the number of citations, it is le lowest with IS, then SCOPUS, then RG and eventually Google scholar which gives the highest h index values for individuals.
Au niveau mondial, il y a beaucoup de revues se disant avoir un impact facteur.
Il y a aussi beaucoup de site web qui donne l’impact facteur !!!.
En réalité le seul impact facteur reconnu par la communauté universitaire international, est celui de ISI Thomson. ISI Thomson est le premier a avoir calculé impact facteur des les années 60 je pense. Ensuite vient le SRG de SCOPUS et RG de Reserchgate.
Derrière tous ces impacts facteurs, il y a certainement une logique commerciale cachée ?
Globally, there are many journals claiming to have a factor impact. There is also a lot of website that gives the impact factor !!!. In reality, the only factor impact recognized by the international university community is that of ISI Thomson. ISI Thomson was the first to calculate impact factor from the 1960s I think. Next comes the SRG of SCOPUS and RG of Reserchgate.
Behind all these factor impacts, there is certainly a hidden business logic?
The IF is not something that is decided by a Journal, it is computed from the citations counts by the indexation sites.
All are calculated from the same equation, thus they are comparable.
All have the same value. The difference of value is only due to an arithmetic effect.
And SCOPUS is used at the same level than ISI in many countries, including France.
C’est vrai l’impact facteur n’est pas décidé par la revue, et heureusement pour nous.
L’impact facteur d’une revue est décidé par nous chercheurs en citant les articles dans nos références bibliographiques. En citant les articles, on cite donc les revues, et par conséquent on les classe.
Le facteur d'impact (Impact Factor, IF), le plus connu et le plus utilisé des indicateurs fournis par l'ISI (Institute for Scientific Information). Il représente, pour une année donnée, le rapport entre le nombre de citations sur le nombre d’articles publiés par un journal, sur une période de référence de deux ans. Il mesure donc la fréquence moyenne avec laquelle l'ensemble des articles de ce journal est cité pendant une durée définie. C'est un indice de mesure rétrospective de l'impact à relativement court terme.
The question is not ISI-Thomson (Impact Factor = IF) or SCOPUS (SRJ). There are almost 14,000 journals that are indexed at ISI. There are 31,971 journals indexed in SCOPUS. The answer is simple, you have to choose the journal which is in SCOPUS and ISI-Thomson. The answer is that 99.99% of ISI journals are in SCOPUS, but the opposite is not true. Choosing a journal with Impact Factor is therefore advised.
La question n’est pas ISI-Thomson (Impact Factor=IF) ou SCOPUS (SRJ). Il y a presque 14000 revues qui sont indexées chez ISI.
Il y a 31971 revues indexées dans SCOPUS. La réponse est simple, il faut choisir la revue qui est dans SCOPUS et ISI-Thomson. La réponse c’est que 99,99% des revues ISI sont dans SCOPUS, mais le contraire n’est pas vrai. Choisir donc une revue avec Impact Factor est conseillé.
Je suis entièrement d'accord avec l'avis de Mr. Kettab.
I fully agree with Mr. Kettab's opinion.
Both are good. But focus on the q of the journal.. Q1 is the best in any journal whether isi or scopus.
it is better to look for the quality of the journal and not the database.
Theoretically all the publications are accessible on the web. So all papers are visible and should have the same probability to be read and cited. Thus Q and IF should not depend on the reputation of a journal but just on the quality of a paper.
But it is still largely unknown by the administrations how this works, and they still continue to relu preferentially on publications in journals with high Q and IF...
For instance a very good book can be cited hundrers of times, but it has no Q nor IF so it is just with no value for assessors...
@ Dear All
The question is not ISI-Thomson (Impact Factor = IF) or SCOPUS (SRJ). There are almost 14,000 journals indexed to the ISI. SCOPUS has 31,971 indexed journals. The answer is simple, you must choose the newspaper that is in SCOPUS and ISI-Thomson. The answer is that 99.99% of ISI journals are in SCOPUS, but the reverse is not true. It is therefore advisable to choose a newspaper with Impact Factor.
The question is not ISI-Thomson (Impact Factor = IF) or SCOPUS (SRJ). There are almost 14,000 journals that are indexed at ISI.
There are 31,971 journals indexed in SCOPUS. The answer is simple, you have to choose the journal which is in SCOPUS and ISI-Thomson. The answer is that 99.99% of ISI journals are in SCOPUS, but the opposite is not true. Choosing a journal with Impact Factor is therefore advised
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It is true the impact factor is not decided by the review, and fortunately for us.
The factor impact of a review is decided by us researchers by citing articles in our bibliographic references. By citing articles, therefore cites journals, and therefore classifies them.
The impact factor (IF), the best known and most used of the indicators provided by the ISI (Institute for Scientific Information). It represents, for a given year, the ratio between the number of citations and the number of articles published by a newspaper, over a reference period of two years. It therefore measures the average frequency with all of the articles in this newspaper is cited for a defined period of time. It is a retrospective measure of the relatively short-term impact.
@ Zubair It is better to go for SCOPUS listed journals. There are a number of journals listed in ISI-Thomson, but you won't find them SCOPUS database. One more important thing about SCOPUS listed journals is to check the current (at the time of submission) status of the journal is such databases. My suggestion to you is to go directly for the Master Journal List (Web of Science).
A few simple elements to cleraly understand what indexing and impact factor means.
Indexing means that papers or other scientific productions are regualrly and comprehensively registered in a base, and thus some metrics can be done about them.
Thus web of science, scopus, google scholar or researchgate are all indexing bases.
The most famous metric is the impact factor. It can be calculated from any indexing base, provided that this base also counts the number of citations to papers referenced in each bibliographic list.
Then there are different formulaes for the impact factor. The most known is the commonly know as impact factor which is the number of citations in year +1 and +2 forball papers published in a journal in year 0.
Scopus calculates several formulaes with 2, 3 and 5 years. Researchgate also calculates the IG on 2.years. But google scholars do not.do.it. it rather gives for each journal the h5 ie the number of papers of this journal.cited at least 5 times ober a period of time.
It is not.comparable directly to IF, but when you compare the ranking of journals all kind of classifications give roughly the same order of journals.
the most well-known and widely accepted indexing databases are: -web of science, -scopus, - google scholar - researchgate. web of science and scopus, have paid access, and it is they who automatically introduce your articles and documents. you have no way to change. Google scholar is more accessible and you have the right to add possibly forgotten articles. On the other hand, Researchgate, when we see the number of indicators available (more than twenty) to evaluate a researcher, the possibility of putting all his work in Researchgate, including theses, communications, project, etc. Researchgate is the only one to allow the development of useful scientific cooperation between researchers from different countries. I currently find the RESEARCHGATE indexing base to be the best and the one I like the most.
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les bases d'indexation les plus connues et acceptées par tous sont: -web of science, -scopus, - google scholar - researchgate. web of science and scopus, ont des a accès payant, et c'est eux qui introduisent d'office vos articles et documents. vous n'avez aucun moyen de modifier. Google scholar est plus accessible et vous avez droit d'ajouter articles éventuellement oublié. Par contre Researchgate, quand on voit le nombre d'indicateurs disponibles (plus d'une vingtaine) pour évaluer un chercheur, la possibilité de mettre tous ses travaux dans Researchgate, y compris theses, communications, projet, ... etc. Researchgate est le seul à permettre de développer une coopération scientifique utile entre chercheurs de différents pays. Je trouve qu'actuellement la base d'indexation RESEARCHGATE est la meilleure et celle que j'apprécie le plus.
Bonjour Cher Collegue
Researchgat n'est plus une base d'indexation. Une base est d'indexation le moment ou des journaux ou des revues y sont indexés. Or ce n'est pas le cas de researchgat qui semble être un forum ou des chercheurs se sont inscrits pour faire montrer de plus leurs travaux. Si non est ce web science ou scopus publient les attestations de participation aux congrès. Dernierement a l'occasion de pandemie covid, beaucoups de gens dont ldurs noms ne figurent pas dans scopus et webscience envahisent researchgat avec des discussions non scientifiques pour la simple raison d'augmenter le nombre de readers. Et ce que j'ai constaté la plus part de de ceuxci sont d'origine arabe. Soi-disant une mauvaise attitude et petception vis à vis de la science.
Bonjour cher collègue .
Je crois que nous disons la même chose d'une façon différente. Cela mérite longue discussion et débat.
Personnellement, je ne reconnais que ISI-THOMSON et son impact Facteur - web of Science. Les autres basés d'indexation ont leurs objectifs, missions, avantages et inconvénients. C'est chaque chercheur sait ce que lui veut, et son objectif.
Par exemple, sur Researchgate, je vois toujours uniquement le RG publications (en %) qui est similaire IF de ISI-THOMSON ou SRJ de SCOPUS ou SCIMAGO. ils sont calculés sur pratiquement la même base de données des journaux. ISI-THOMSON sur 13800 journaux, SCIMAGO sur 30 000 journaux, et Researchgate sur les mêmes journaux. Chaque pays, et institutions tiennent compte de différentes bases de données en fonction de leurs degré development. Le numéro un ou la meilleure des bases de données est actuellement web of science: Je pense que cela on est OK
cordialement.
Peer reviewed journal with high impact factor and a theme/scope of interest that fits your paper topic the most is the best to look for.
I think Gil Mahé has already answered this interesting question. In Algeria, for example, to support your PhD must publish in ISI or Scopus journal.
Databases such as Clarivate Analytics and Scopus no longer have a monopoly today. They had been so for many years before other such credible databases appeared. The striking example is that of DOAJ which, thanks to this database, allows the journals indexed there to be listed in online bookstores from the smallest to the largest universities in the world. Isn't that the most important thing to see your article listed in the MIT online bookstore for example. I took the example of DOAJ regarding Open Access Journals, but there are others that are also interesting. DOAJ has its own inclusion criteria and they are not random.
When a researcher or a teacher makes a publication (article, book, chapter, ..) it is often for a promotion (defense of doctorate, passage to a higher grade, ...). For this, each country, I would even say each university, each institution has its own criteria for evaluating and recognizing databases. there are institutions that only recognize ISI-THOMSON. other ISI-THOMSON and SCOPUS. others that recognize 10 databases. In short, if I have one piece of advice to give, it is: The candidate must check with his institution or university, which databases are recognized and validated. This way he will avoid a lot of setbacks.
Fully agree with prof Kettabs answer
Also it is first important that a journal be indexed to ensure the visibility of the papers. Then the IF value is of less importance, as all indexed publications are equally visible.
The popularity of a paper then only depends on the interest of the scientific community who will cite a work if it is interesting, not only because it has been published in a presumed high standard journal
Dear Friend Gil Mahe.
I believe that we are exactly in agreement and complementary. there are over 100,000 newspapers or magazines. They are all indexed somewhere. indexing journals is just to make them more visible. the evaluation of an article, the value of an article can only be made by peers. The peers are us of course. We evaluate through the quotes we make from other articles. these quotes, as you very well know, gives Impact Factor (IF) or SRG, .... I will not go into predatory journals now, but I will give you back the perch. ?
Best regards and best regards
Scopus is gaining grounds in recent times. It all depends on individual institution's evaluation criteria.
For an article to be cited, it must first be read. For an article to be read, it must be easily accessible. This is the role of a good database which thus ensures the implementation of the distribution process and the promotion of scientific papers among the widest possible international audience. Many databases play this role perfectly well, including ResearchGate although it is not a database, strictly speaking.
Scopus will be better for me considering Medical Council of India's guidelines.
I think the SCOPUS indexed journal is the best choice compared to the ISI indexed journal, where I prefer published in SCOPUS indexed journals.
If a journal is in Open Access and if it meets all the conditions required for its inclusion, DOAJ ensures disseminating it through research and academic institutions in the most efficient way. Thus, Open Access journals know the benefit of being indexed in this database.
Hi,
I am not sure that the journal's indexing should be a consideration when sending an article for publication. The best criterion is if the journal matches your area of writing. Journal indexing is a publisher's function. Sometimes a journal that is not indexed in a bibliographic database in the present, will be added to this database in the future, so there is no point in taking this criterion into account.
Scopus journals are widely accepted in universities as quality publications. ISI index journals are just as good for certain discipllines. It is a question of choice and it will be good if the journal has both Scopus and ISI indexed because publication is important in academia.
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