I cannot completely exclude the possibility of human intervention concerning the main question of the discussion thread.

Regards

It is still a big question and open problem. However., we should be prayerful for its cause not to be related with human intervention, otherwise its solution may diverge to the bad luck of innocent human beings.

In Africa, we have struggling with HIV and Ebola. Now coronavirus. I suspect the out break of coronavirus is not natural.

I think no one at least recently can confirm the exact cause behind this transformation of the virus, it may be naturally generated in way or another or it is intentionally cerated? I hope this will be discovered soon or later.

Only God knows..It's really scary..

Please see the link below.

https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/-novel-predicted-wuhan-virus-40-years-before-coronavirus-outbreak-internet-is-stumped-1647261-2020-02-17

listening different stories... but it is very very scary.

Natural evolution and human intervention are always in a dynamic interplay.

http://kabbalahsecrets.com/the-coronavirus-covid-19-whats-really-going-on/

http://kabbalahsecrets.com/what-china-did-not-want-us-to-see/

Pandemics is nothing new, in medical history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

The standard of biotechnical engineering is very high and this can cause a lot of speculations, driven by fear and suspicion.

I think corona virus is a virus that has naturally evolved with any human intervention. This is the nature of most microorganisms.

Dear Dr. Hmood! Most coronaviruses in the past originated from animals. Scientists study these past infection processes, hoping to find a sign in relation to the current epidemy. Theis new virus is still under investigation but there is a claim that bats have been the source of origin:

1) Denise Chow (2020). " Where did the new coronavirus come from? Past outbreaks provide hints" Feb. 28, 2020 © 2020 NBC UNIVERSAL, Available at: https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/where-did-new-coronavirus-come-past-outbreaks-provide-hints-n1144521

2) Cui J, Li F, Shi ZL. (2019). "Origin and evolution of pathogenic coronaviruses." Nature Reviews Mictobiology, 2019 Mar;17(3):181-192.

US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health, Available at: Article Origin and evolution of pathogenic coronaviruses

Therefore it can be stated that this virus is able to adapt itself to the changing environments in both animals and humans. There has been a case where a woman from Japan recovered from the virus and after some time fell ill again with this same virus. I argue that this virus emerged naturally and the dynamic interaction it has with animals is the factor that renders it so dangerous. Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst, Yours Bulcsu Szekely

To have a paranoiac view of the whole affair doesn't help at all to understand it.If not a single researcher in the world had come out with a reasonable theory, it is because it is a new human disease. It is sure we had other episodes that style in the History of Humanity. Measles was a simiesc disease that, turning human, had desastrous and expansive effects, totally new, seemingly aberrant on Earth. Mad cow disease and variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob, the human version, are too to be placed in that same category of space-induced contaminant agents. Basing myself on unusual astronomic observations, specially in 2020, I consider a flow of invisible cosmic particles, only detectable by gravitation aberrations they provoke, allowing long-distance observation (f.e. disappeared Beltegeuse shines again in the skies), had entered solar system and the specific planets organization and geometry this year brings them directly to Earth. It isn't the first time in human history. Eurasian flew away China to America following the medicinal kelp highway and it is still thanks to kelp seaweed Inuits are able to resist the normal cosmic particles bombing in North Pole. The only information those particles are able to transport over very long distances is their own geometry. Space particles are turning on the left, on Earth, particles are right-oriented. It is like, in a waltz contest, punks popping in. Unless one of the waltz dancers knows poggo too, it may turn a total disaster. This particle adaptability and ability to turn right OR left, called Chirality is shared by most of medicinal plants: Rosemary, ginger,citrics, curcuma, cannabis, grenade, radicchio, garlic, etc. I strongly recommend the abuse of those plants in alimentation (almost no secundary effects) as a preventive cure.

Virus and its mutation is a nice gift of Nature . But preventation / spreading depends on us .

قد يحتمل ذلك الأمرين معا

How far has the study of the virus been done to overcome the present scenario. No any antidote till the date?

Although it appear to be a human but population in our world are certainly playing part indirectly in the habit of food , their living style are also playing an important part in disturbing the environment & also the suffering of human beings .

With this I have explained my views sometime back which I submit herewith for your perusal

Virus is an any form is not a healthy direction & right from the school children to every human beings have to take a necessary precaution .

As to the question corona virus is dangerous to environment & that has already observed . As to the virus of any nature whether we like or otherwise , Nature is Omni Potent , & is controlling the destiny of the humanity .

This is my personal opinion

There iy no prooved evidence for the Theory. But there is also no evidence for the contrary. We Need not argue About ist origin the corona Virus is there now and we should help the infected. I do this very effective with an energetic method. All viruses in the bady are inactivated within less than one minute. I would have gone to West Africa to treat Ebola infected People but the WHO did not let me in. With China it is just the same. So I treat only infected People coming home. I am open for training collegues, but nobody is interested. YES you canot make a lot of Money with it.

It must have originated mainly due to the food habits which at times body could take no more of it.

maybe created as a bioweapon

All diseases and epidemics, when you find an environment and a sanctuary, they grow and start building their colonies and defend and resist immunity in the body, so we should all take all safety measures, the most important of which is hygiene.

I think all of us can guess correctly the real answer, but there are laws to put such comments without any strong proof in hand.

Thanks.

My friend thanks for your comment, but what I meant by my question is about uncovering the the logic fact behind such dangrous virus

If we can't obey the guidelines of WHO against Corona Virus - It means that we are indirectly helping to spread the Corona Virus .

God knows

......and it will never be in near future!!!

Me too agree that the real fact behind it will never be available at least for now or even in the near future

interesting question ... following

There is always a human twist to cases like this.

no natural virus mutation

The future will tell us!

The future will tell us! If we are still alive.

What is the probability of having this nCOVID-19 genetic sequence out of the old corona virus through natural evolution?

What led me to ask this question is the great contradiction between the large media campaign about the virus and the small number of deaths caused by it.

Let us wait and see

May be Coranavirus a biological Weapon developed by the Chinese or others.

Most historical sources indicate that the same virus spread from Wuhan in 1980 and this city has biological laboratories? And now it has spread from the same city? So what does that mean?

yes i do think that Corona virus has evolved naturally

Salam Jassim Hmood Here is your answer:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US7220852B1/en

Dear Salam Jassim Hmood

Thank you for the question.

I don´t believe the story of the WHO-World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the general director of WHO should be severely questioned. He cannot can wash his hands of a tragedy such as this.

I don´t believe either, the story of Xi Jinping---the general secretary of CCP.

Please, attached 3 links & follow threrein references as well:

https://greatgameindia.com/secret-history-of-coronavirus-bioweapon/

https://greatgameindia.com/category/coronavirus-covid19/

https://es.panampost.com/juliom-shiling/2020/04/01/china-comunista-biologia-guerra

The last one is in Spanish, but I consider it a reference.

I think this does not matter, at least from a practical point of view. We are part of nature, one of its diverse biological species. Moreover, the coronavirus lives both in animals and in humans, it does not distinguish between us. We are just “tastier” for him, because we love to meet a lot and travel a lot. And if, indeed, it was a "leak" of biological weapons, accidental or malicious, then this only confirms the thesis that I cited above: we are not only people, but also animals.

According to the Chinese, they traced one of the first infected people to a fish market, but one could not be satisfied that was a possibility. I am sure it would be investigated further later.

But the BBC reported the suspicious withdrawal of the USA Army Lab (?) from the epicentre Wuhan city just before the virus erupted. The Chinese raised that point again when Trump used to call it the "Chinese virus", but they would not say anything more since their investigations on that topic were not completed. A few days later the Iranian Leader mentioned the rumour about USA's possible involvement, but again he had no more evidence to add, it was just speculation that is going around.

I remember when HIV erupted, there were rumours about errors made in a NY laboratory. A German has written a book about it.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) is a product of natural evolution. Please see the link below.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9.pdf

Human intervention........

Dear Prof. Vladimir Valentinovich Egorov

It is not just a CoV virus, I read some literature which point out that SARS-CoV-20 has other ADN virus sequences such as SARS & others that I prefer not to comment because I am not an especialist. However, a friend of mine expert in the field of molecular biology tells me that the SARS-CoV-20 is a Chimera-virus & I looked at wiki, where I found that:

"Chimera (virus) is defined by the Center for Veterinary Biologics (part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service) as a "new hybrid microorganism created by joining nucleic acid fragments from two or more different microorganisms in which each of at least two of the fragments contain essential genes necessary for replication"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(virus)

I am very interesting for your interactive with this question because I am not specialist , it is also adds for our knowledge some important information which can be used to help each other to protect humanity

many thanks once again for your valued anticipations

I think it evolved naturally without any human intervention.

In connection with the issue discussed here, I must say that we are now entering a completely new reality, which is similar to the reality that arose in the middle of the 20th century in connection with the creation of the atomic bomb by physicists. The 21st century will be the century of the physics of living systems, just as the 20th century was the century of atomic and nuclear physics. Among all living systems, viruses are some of the simplest systems. It is the simplest systems that are studied first of all by physics. It always has been, and always will be. In order not to slide into the world thermonuclear war, human civilization had to mobilize all its mind and will. It seems to be this battle with ourselves, we still win so far. Next in turn is the next self-defeat, even more difficult. Can we not slip into a viral world war? Will human civilization have enough reason and will this time too?

Thank you so much for share your thoughts about this matter Profs. Vladimir Valentinovich Egorov & Salam Jassim Hmood

I could undestand that the field of physics has a role here referring to some air borne gain-of-function properties such as the possibility of a molecular physics behaviour of the viruses as very heavy particles (macromolecules) that could propagate in air following well known physics laws . They could have a mean free path, a mean velocity, and even a scattering effective section as nuclei.

Dear P. Contreras ,

No, future physics, which I do not mean is the mean free path of the virus in the air, etc. Obviously, physics can study molecules in their various forms and dynamics. She can study large molecules, although worse. Although it is bad, it can study macromolecules. In that case, why, in the same aspects, could she not study viruses - simple enough yet living giant "molecules"? It can of course, and I think it will do in the near future.

Moreover, someday theoretical physics will be able to study the human brain. Have you ever wondered what determines the size of our brain? And I will tell you: the final speed of light! Any thought in our brain embraces our entire brain as a whole, so the functioning of its individual parts must be well coordinated. If the speed of light was significantly greater than 300,000 kilometers per second, then we would have a much larger size of our brain, would be much smarter, and we would not have any problems with the coronavirus pandemic!

I think it's as a result of human intervention

Experts in the problem say that the situation has arisen due to wild animal trade that is a business of millions of dollars in China, Vietnam, Indonesia and other countries of the Far East. It is very usual that these wild animals are kept in markets for the trade under very unhealthy conditions. The bats are the possible culprits for transmitting the corona virus to humans. If the theory is correct, I think that this whole unfortunate situation of the corona virus pandemic and the environmental problem are two sides of the same coin. We are not taking good care of our planet.There is inequality, suffering, and lack of education for the great majority of people in this planet while at about two percent of the population lives in opulence with absolute disinterest for the comfort of other people and total abuse of the natural resources. Do not you think that this is a kind of response mechanism of Mother Nature (Mother Nature is wise) to defend itself from our lack of will to cooperate more with our planet and the environment? I think that now humanity is in big trouble because of that. I continue to believe that, now more than ever, democratic governments around the world have to make sure to adopt much more serious policies for the protection of our atmosphere, lakes, rivers, world oceans and natural reserves. I really believe that if our governments do not react really fast and in a more efficient and decisive way to control climate change and the pollution and destruction of the natural resources and the environment, humanity could be in even more serious trouble very soon, if, of course, we are able to get out of trouble now. Not a pessimistic feeling, but our reaction to try to solve this whole situation of the conservation and preservation of our planet for ourselves and the future generations has to be a priority and is a task that is our responsibility and concerns us all.

Dear Arvind Singh Aristidis Matsoukis

I totally agree with you

Dear Prof. Vladimir Valentinovich Egorov

Thank you so much for the input. I agree that some day physics will be able to study brain as a complex network connection & also that probably humankind is not so smart to study SARS-CoV-20 due to our brain size & light speed value. Nevertheless, nature made us as we are & we ought to do study it in order for humankind to endure existence :(

This chimera (SARS-CoV-20) has air borne gain-of-function properties [1] & even if it sounds extravagant, studying the SARS-CoV-20 from the point of view of physical kinetics could be relevant to avoid air spreading [2]. Why?

I further elaborate on this post by doing a simple reasoning:

According to bioweapons experts [1]: "SARS-CoV-20 can be transmitted more easily through the air, for example, at greater distances, such as 6-8 feet instead of just 2 feet"

Now, why such a giant macromolecule can freely fly inside of 11.1 square meter´s area? Are airborne particles assisting the spread of SARS-CoV-20?

Weird, don´t you think?

My question now is if there are labs able to study those air borne gain-of-function properties. Finally, I am sure, we will see more answers regarding this matter very soon & probably not fror mainstream media as we have seen already [3]

Thank you so much Prof. Salam Jassim Hmood for allowing free participation in your thread.

references:

[1] https://greatgameindia.com/transcript-bioweapons-expert-dr-francis-boyle-on-coronavirus/

[2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339917826_Aerosol_and_surface_stability_of_HCoV-19_SARS-CoV-2_compared_to_SARS-CoV-1

[3] https://www.europereloaded.com/india-to-probe-wuhan-institute-of-virology-dr-francis-boyle-coronavirus-is-a-bio-weapon-video/

Dear Dr. Contreras ,

Frankly, I don’t see much point in chasing every single type of chimera: if this one leaves, another will come. Fundamentally new approaches are needed. Still, we have a great advantage over chimeras: we have a brain, but they do not have it. I wonder who will win this war: with brains or brainless?

dear Prof Pedro L. Contreras E. ,

I agree with your openion that the Suspended Particulate Matter ( SPM ) is the souce of viral trasmission under aerosolised viral infection .

COVID-19 viral pneumonia is related to the seafood market when an unknown animal is responsible for the emergence of the outbreak …

Elfiky, A. A. (2020). Anti-HCV, nucleotide inhibitors, repurposing against COVID-19. Life sciences, 117477.

 … This virus appears to be a new human pathogen …

Casadevall, A., & Pirofski, L. A. (2020). The convalescent sera option for containing COVID-19. The Journal of clinical investigation, 130(4).

The ongoing novel coronavirus outbreak is an example of yet another infectious disease emerging at the animal-human interface, causing considerable concern and disruption as it spreads across international borders...

Murdoch, D. R., & French, N. P. (2020). COVID-19: another infectious disease emerging at the animal-human interface. NZ Med J, 133(1510), 12-15.

Human hand is very much there. It was manipulated and spread by human.

People call it conspiracy theory and ask for proofs and evidences. But wen we blame nature, no one ask for proofs and evidences.

… Phylogenetic analysis indicates that the COVID-19 is similar to the CoV circulating in Rhinolophus … a novel CoV that was independently introduced from animals to humans  …

Lai, C. C., Shih, T. P., Ko, W. C., Tang, H. J., & Hsueh, P. R. (2020). Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and corona virus disease-2019 (COVID-19): the epidemic and the challenges. International journal of antimicrobial agents, 105924.

… Currently, the COVID-19 transmission routes are still to be determined...

Sabino-Silva, R., Jardim, A. C. G., & Siqueira, W. L. (2020). Coronavirus COVID-19 impacts to dentistry and potential salivary diagnosis. Clinical Oral Investigations, 1-3.

Dear Prof. Vladimir Valentinovich Egorov

You are right, SARS-CoV-20 don´t have brain but humans have.

In fact, they can act as a chimera´s collective as for example the borg´s collective in star trek, while earthlings called humans are arguing with each other.

It is not difficult to undestand the annihilation potential of being a trillion true brainless collective where each indidual´s size is ~1 nanometre. It is much worse than Borg´s star trek collective.

Let me further elaborate, why it is really hard to destroy them. In "the Invincible" by Stanisław Lem – 1961, an alien species introduced nanotechnology into the genre & they were annihilated.

Later earthlings´s crews are sent to this planet searching for a disappeared ship sent to the planet called Regis III, discovering those nanotech powered swarms of insects-like micromachines.

Quoting wikipedia "Pan Lew novel turns into an analysis of the relationship between different life domains, and their place in the universe. In particular, it is an imaginary experiment to demonstrate that evolution may not necessarily lead to dominance by intellectually superior life forms [1] so brain doesn´t mean we will win the battle, unfortunately.

So, my questions are:

1. Is SARS-CoV-20 a real experiment that shows that evolution may not necessarily lead to dominance by intellectually superior life forms?

2. Where is the scientist that created the chimera? His father! he is the only one who can destroy it, I guess.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invincible

Salam Jassim Hmood, I am an advocate of the natural origination and development of the covid19 pandemic.

Interesting thoughts Dear Prof. Vadim S. Gorshkov

Dear Dr. Contreras ,

Everyone has brains, of course, but the problem is, few people can use this advantage. You look what is happening now. Politicians are guided by the opinion of experts. On the one hand, this seems to be correct. On the other hand, this is the removal of direct responsibility. Now look at the so-called experts, on which politicians are guided. Just with the naked eye you can see that they do not understand anything in viruses, although they call themselves virologists. Apply "grandfather" methods, such as quarantine, masks, vaccine etc., which is known from past centuries. And these methods work well. But these methods are obvious, then what, in fact, is their examination, on which the actions of politicians are based? The problem of mankind is that, before acting, it tries to develop a collective opinion. This is correct in a market where it is necessary to consider the herd properties of people. But in many cases this collective opinion is wrong. If this were not so, then there would be no wars, revolutions, etc., which just solve these incorrect opinions and decisions made on their basis. In this case, you ask me: "How to be?" You just need to retire and think “in silence” with your own head and then, taking personal responsibility, make a decision based on what your own head has “advised”. In the human population there are only a few who are capable of this. But these units cannot do anything in practice, because they are "trampled by the hoofs of the herd rushing into the abyss." An example is the founder of physics - Galileo. Has anyone listened to him in his time? No one! On the contrary, the church and the authorities subjected him to the Inquisition. Four centuries later, they apologized for this, but continue to behave, essentially, as before. Look, for example, on today's Italy, where this inquisition happened four centuries ago. As they say, comments are superfluous.

Totally agree with your thoughts Dear Prof. Vladimir Valentinovich Egorov

Your phrase "trampled by the hoofs of the herd rushing into the abyss" is the best way to describe the actual situation on the international & national levels. Thank you so much for your answer & to Prof. Salam Jassim Hmood for the thread.

There are many conspiracy theories in the market. Virologists believe that it is naturally evolved. We must believe in science rather than the conspiracy theories, which are nicely crafted. Might have been hosted in animals for long. It might be true that it spread to humans through some laboratories during its study.

COVID-19 seems to have evolved by human intervention in the lab. There are clear evidence pointing at a lab in Wuhan. Read more here - https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/the-wall-street-journal/coronavirus-all-evidence-point-to-wuhan-labs-as-source-of-infection/news-story/70d9aa9d5c18d348f4973bd1b15c535b?fbclid=IwAR0h39sRrEEcxU-x8MYKGuRTF8VO8QP-SieB-epSarY8ldA7kEoGmqjxF1I

Please have a look at the link below:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature

Harasit, did you read the article you linked. The reasoning was so stupid, it makes me wonder if they are signaling that the virus did live in a lab, but they can't say that and get funding. Maybe you are thinking the same thing? (I'm referring to the article in Nature.)

I believe your question was asked rhetorically, because either was, there was human intervention. If you believe it was engineered in the lab, that is obviously human intervention. If you believe it was contracted from a species in the "wet market," that was also because of human intervention. So whatever the source of meddling, genetic or gustatory, it is "human intervention." Now, if the seafood source of the genetic material is correct, that indicates a "higher source" of intervention, or maybe not?