People are different, including scientists. Most of Scientists have intuition in the field they work. But it is hard to tell, either it is inborn Talent, or comes with education and experience. What is your personal opinion ?
Yes of course intuition is the main part of talent of a scientist as it leads to action research on a particular matter which in turn get converted into strategic planning and invention of a model method!!!
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Shankhadeep
Yes dear Alex,
I call it scientific fantasy. It´s very helpful if you have to change your procedure because you are on stop phase. Some times you can restart with high velocity and success.
Dear Alexander,
Intuition seems to be a by chance event for many. I think it is the result of capacities and thinking which are consequences of being talented. I would stress that motivation and real innate interest are also important parts in the process of searching.
Good determination, Dear Hanno, Scientic Fantacy. But, say, SHEPPARD does not have it, as his education is an elementary school.
Dear Alex,
By all means intuition plays a very important role in science itself but also for the scientist. This intuition has many names such as, "I got an idea" or "hey what about this" or "what if we do that"., Intuition has been called a" hunch" or a "feeling" an "insight". All of these descriptors I would suggest is intuition.
Douglas
Dear Alexander,
The quantifier "most of" is a little narrow, all scientists have imagination, intuitive feeling and understanding of things they work on and their hard work is to justify and validate that intuitive concept through reasons. Intuition is the beginning stage of any scientific quest, research and therefore an integral component of talent. Intuition also an innate capacity of our brain, but can be augmented by education and experience. A person who is on a higher altitude away from the surface of earth can imagine and see wider and larger horizon than the one who is on the surface of earth, the altitude as education and experience.
Some weeks ago I read this article.
"People can mix and match their own unique package of characteristics in various ways to express the same talent. For instance, consider that the person with extremely high levels of perseverance and motivation can offset other characteristics that may be less than stellar by comparison, such as a poor memory. What's important is the total package, not the precise mix of personal characteristics."[1]
[1]http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/jul/07/can-science-spot-talent-kaufman
I think intuition is a gift or talent helping a scientist to find newer dimension based on objective knowledge in the area of investigation.
Alexander
Intuition grows from understanding. The more understanding one has the less it is necessary to burrow through the details to form a picture. A person with intuition forms the picture then sorts through the details. Everyone has it. The amount of intuition involved in solving a problem depends on the degree of understanding.
Intuition is a very important and necessary capacity to see beyond the experimental results. Also and is a personal opinion, it develops more in researchers from countries with fewer resources.
My Dear Peers ! I share my personal experience,. Sure, I had some intuition during all my professional live, but not sufficient to solve really tough problems, I came across. Then, I retired from from the Alberta Research Council at the age 70. As a Distinguished Scientist I had live position, but stress was high, so, I called it quit. I relocated to Holy Land, becoming simple, old, retired Jew in Israel. No stress at all, as I am on a social bottom in standing, living on pension. At this point, solutions of tough problems started to come to me as visions, without any stress on me. During last 5 years I solved 3 problems, which I failed to solve in my prime age. Thus, intuition requires Freedom, which I obtained after retirement. I attach papers with these tough problems, formulated before I was born, but which were not resolved.
Well, Rozana, a person can have a Talent in Physics, but not in Chemistry. And nothing can push him to love Chemistry, its like a human being can't be pushed to love a particular person of opposite gender. Talent in the field comes with the love of this field.
I think intuition is an 'endogenous variable', ie it comes with our birth and cannot be improved so much by education. Other virtues, like analytical thinking, systematical work, self-correcting algorithms etc can be increased by hard work, intuition probably not!
Dear Demetris,
I´m not really sure. I think intuition is a kind of summary of all the experiences during a scientific life. The main difference to the normal contents of your memory ist the availablity without hard work, ie awareness in the process without efforts at this moment.
Demetris and Hanno are both "wise guys". I love their discussion, they are both correct.
With more or less talent, and with more or less intuition, in my opinion the most important is the basis (unless that someone is willing to reinvent the wheel). Be a humble and good student first (as sooner as possible, and if possible since the primary school). No one can begin a trustable house/building by the roof or by the windows. The basis is a pre-condition for real success (of something that worth), followed by much work, work, work, until the dream can be achieved.
I am suggesting a fine reading about Einstein: Einstein On Creative Thinking: Music and the Intuitive Art of Scientific Imagination! "...For Einstein, insight did not come from logic or mathematics. It came, as it does for artists, from intuition and inspiration. As he told one friend, "When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come close to the conclusion that the gift of imagination has meant more to me than any talent for absorbing absolute knowledge." Elaborating, he added, "All great achievements of science must start from intuitive knowledge. I believe in intuition and inspiration.... At times I feel certain I am right while not knowing the reason." Thus, his famous statement that, for creative work in science, "Imagination is more important than knowledge"
Dear @Alexander, I do very much agree on your statement "Talent in the field comes with the love of this field." Yes, speaking about intuition, hunches are formed out of our past experiences and knowledge!
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/imagine/201003/einstein-creative-thinking-music-and-the-intuitive-art-scientific-imagination
RG is the network, where I have real friends, whom I never met face to face. Hanno, Demetris and Ljubomir are my close ftrinds in Science. I am very happy to communicate with them. All three of them are wise people.
Hanno
Summary of experience is a good description for the process for forming a concept. Talent is involved as an adjunct and supplement. It is difficult to parse a result as to contribution from experience, ability, interest, education and culture. Ideas may spring from our brow fully grown, but like Athena from Zeus there is a back story.
Friendship in Science stays above politics. I have friends from Arab countries and a very special friend from Iran. I don't name them for obvious reasons.
But I move back to Canada, there will be no obstacles in communication.
I agree with Hanno and Brenda. Genius, like Einstein, performs the best at young age. A mere scientist, like me, performs better with age advanced, he is richer in experience, can solve more complicated problems. I, personally, solved 3 problems after age 70, all 3 were formulated before I was born, but staid unsolved. Thus, my most productive age is 70+.
Dear Alexander: Unfortunately I am not retired yet, and in Portugal we have to work during many, many years. Perhaps we can met later in Canada. Meanwhile, my love for you looks that is not corresponded. Also, it looks (apparently) that I do not agree fully with Einstein in several aspects, excluding probably the case when he says that to have a success in life it is necessary to keep the mouth shut. Nevertheless, I can assure you that the populations all over the world and in every country can fully trust in the civil and hydraulic engineers and their basic knowledge about the gravity law.
Sure, Antonio, Einstein had a robust sense of humor, so, whatever he talked outside Physics, is not a classics. Special Relativity is the Classics, supported by great number of experiments. His formula E = mC^2 is the basis for nuclear reactions, both, controlled and Atomic Bombs, never failed to work.
I worked in Canada untill age 70, while full retirement age is 65. And I still keep working as a Consultant in Heavy Oil Recovery. Gravity Driven method is the best, gives the highest known % of Oil Recovery. In a sense, it is HYDRAULIC of two liquids in Porous Media.
Please, keep in touch, my e-mail is [email protected]
Dear Alexander (and Brenda): I have the best idea about Canada and their people. Many Portuguese emigrated for Canada for having better conditions of life.
What looks strange to me is that people from EU still move to Canada, were Winters are down to - 40 C.
Brenda, I lived in Edmonton, Alberta, - 40 C is not a rarity. The same is in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, most of Ontario and Quebeck. Vancuver is the island of warm wether in the country of tough winters. Most of Canada is not even European Russia, this is Siberia, which also has 4 seasons, Canada is the great Counry, but the climat is tough.
You are my QUIN follower, Dear Rozana. I am very proud of your devotion to Oil Recovery and your knowledge and talent, showing at so young age. You do my live better.
According to my opinion yes talent comes inborn in peoples but the intuition comes only with the education/experience in field in which scientists work. You may say, intuition is a secret that hided behind knowledge or experience.
I also agree with Mario, just adding that to be a character that has talent is necessary first to be an honest worker.
Sure, Brenda, and so is in Siberia, which is as large as Canada, have over +30 C at summer time, South part is much milder than North, etc, etc. I could see first leevs on the trees in Edmonton on June 1st, first snow on October 15th. But I am still a fan of Edmonton Oilers, remember the Dinasty, when Gretzky was the team Capitan. As a matter of fact, I go back to Edmonton, nothing scares me.
That is geographical representation. Russians relate to Siberia all land mass East of Ural mountains. That area is about 4 time larger than European part of Russia and is close to land area of Canada. So, Vladivostok is part of "Siberia", but snow can be seen as rare occasion in Vladivostok.
Let us go back to intuition! Einstein is brilliant!
http://whowasalberteinstein.com/?tag=intuition
Mendeleev Periodic Table of Elements made Chemistry self-consistant, in the same degree Relativity served Physics. But no one cites Mendeleev, a Genius in Chemistry.
Most probably, Mendeleev did not make noticable statements outside Chemistry.
Einstein was an important scientist in his time and is really a good reference. But I agree with Alexander he is not the only one, and he should be understood in the context of his time (he crossed two world wars in the century twenty and very different socio-economic and political environments from nowadays). The last Einstein citation posted by Ljubomir is naturally obvious and suitable even for today (as many quotes from thinkers of centuries XIX and XX). See for instance Dmitri Mendeleev (referred by Alexander) quote: “There's no talent, neither genius without hard work.”
The formation of Talent is based on intrinsic values of individuals and their interactions with other people, objects and surrounding conditions. The interactions could include education, experience, communications, using tools and instruments, condition of living, etc., as our interaction through the ResearchGate. For examples, a good educator is a very important part of these interactions and a Talent creation or a good question can initiate a new idea and invention. Institution is just a framework for these interactions.
Thanks, Antonio, for finding quote from Mendeleev. Chemistry is not inferior to Physics, Mendeleev was Genius of Chemistry. His Pereodic Table of Elements serves both, Chemistry and Physics. He predicted number of New Elements, described their properties. All of them were later found, Mendeleev's description of their properties was exact and to the point.
While all the other eminent and prominent ones are sharing their cents on the intuition being a boon for a scientist, I re-call one of my childhood memory on Chemistry of high school. Being a favorite student of my Chemistry Lecturer in my high school for asking practical doubts, I have been told about Kekule's dream on structure of Benzene , being an ancient ouroboros (snake running behind its own tail). It is mere intuition after rigorous and extensive thinking about the benzene structure though there are claims on this whole story to be parodical satire by Kekule or fictitious fabrication ...
Dear "All great achievements of science must start from intuitive knowledge." This is a part of my answer from page 3 of this thread dear @Lawrence. It is Einstein's words! What do you think about?
Dear @Lawrence, dear followers, the article on measuring human capitals is attached. I do quote last paragraph/ concluding remarks in order to prolong this fine discussion on this thread on intuition. For me, intuition is sometimes infallible!
"...Thus we can measure human potential. In fact, we do it all the time, though we tend to prefer unscientific methods, like our intuition. A world in which everyone and everything is unpredictable would be hell – and we wouldn’t be able to live in it. But equally, a world where prejudice and intuition are the main currencies for evaluating others is hardly a just or rational world, especially when we are too stubborn about or views and defensive about our mistakes. Since economics, meteorology, and medicine are based on scientific rather than lay predictions, let us follow the same logic when the goal is to understand people!"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomaspremuzic/2015/02/03/can-human-potential-be-measured-a-psychological-view/
@ Lawrence,
Don't you remember Stephon and Mackillo from 'Jersey? You know use'd to hang with cousin booooby?
My talent is just have an effort and try to better every day ........... to my institution
May I help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephan_W._Koch
http://www.mpq.mpg.de/5113199/01_22_Mackillo_Kira
Dear all
In my opinion, most scientists really have intuition. Scientists are human. They are different. When they are doing a same researching, through their observing, the information that they get in the studying will meet the knowledge, education and experience in their brain. A few scientists have no thought. Some scientists make a mistake judgment. Most scientists who judge correctly and acquire result and outcome have intuition..
For example, a doctor diagnoses a sophisticated disease correctly.
Dear Alexander,
@ Lawrence, I am glad,
Last I herd both move to New York, somewhere on 1st between E. 26th and E. 28th could not remember the exact address but 462 sound about right.
Douglas
Dear Ans,
I don't want to criticize your statement i.e., "It is Dutch, which IS 'Sanskriet' (a mix of French (sans > 'without') and Dutch (kriet > 'chalk' (without a pen, since we can read the 'stars', the first way of 'writing'. People think 'Sanskriet' (also called Vedic) comes from India, but in the book of Bal Gangadhar Tilak: The Arctic Home in the Vedas, Tilak wrote, these 'white people' lived on the Arctic but we do not know where they went to after the ice came."
I don't think so only one article or such kind of small line are sufficient to comes on your conclusion. May be there is chance to error in translation. Hope you understand, what exactly I want to know. Please provide me the some more references and documents if you have something related to 'Sanskriet'. You may attach the documents here or in my message box.
Thank you.
What happened with @Lawrence Broxmeyer, MD!? He has disappeared! Any information about?
Dear All,
I think it is high time to go back to discuss the role of intuition in science. Is not it?
Between differents lines, I work with my people in metallic manufacturing by casting processes. Cleary, during many time, when the software simulation dont exist, the unique tool for casting people for making good parts is the intuition. This people in the little foundries work like a scientist, because each new part geometry need to develop a new process. Casting people need all the time to imagine how the metal liquid move in the die, and if will be possible to obtain a good part, with no defects.
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