In my own case, I begrudgingly acknowledge the truth of 100% emotion-based decision-making (although I'd like to continue thinking I am making 100% logic-based decisions ... this egotistical delusion ... similar to the delusion of objectivity-in-observations-and-reporting that we scientists fool-ourselves-with ... is easier to maintain by believing [rationalizing] that even while knowing that IF my decisions are based upon emotions, THEN at least my emotions must be logically-based, that is, based ONLY upon the best retrieved memories of LOGICAL [= supposedly objective] observations and experiences). This self-deception allows me to maintain my dignity and self-respect [my machismo, my mojo, my illusion of objectivity, my scientific gravitas ???].
In my own case, I begrudgingly acknowledge the truth of 100% emotion-based decision-making (although I'd like to continue thinking I am making 100% logic-based decisions ... this egotistical delusion ... similar to the delusion of objectivity-in-observations-and-reporting that we scientists fool-ourselves-with ... is easier to maintain by believing [rationalizing] that even while knowing that IF my decisions are based upon emotions, THEN at least my emotions must be logically-based, that is, based ONLY upon the best retrieved memories of LOGICAL [= supposedly objective] observations and experiences). This self-deception allows me to maintain my dignity and self-respect [my machismo, my mojo, my illusion of objectivity, my scientific gravitas ???].
I think both rational and emotional considerations are important and the relative weight of each one depends on personality and type of decision. You can be strictly rational when making a decision and perhaps this leads you to a situation of suffering. So usually the emotional consequences of your decision are also part of your rational analysis. With some exceptions, decisions made on a pure emotional basis are likely to be unfortunate.
The neuroscientists contend that it is NOT a matter of CHOICE whether we make decisions on the basis of logic or emotions; their studies of the human brain indicate that decisions are made SOLELY by the portion of the brain that deals with emotions, NOT logic. Consequently, the conclusion follows (they contend) that ALL our decisions (even the most conscious, studied and willful) are based-upon emotions, and NONE is truly a logical decision (even in the case when you consciously will yourself to make a logic-based decision, you cannot accomplish this feat, but are only fooling yourself ... at least that is THEIR argument ... and I have ... after much "kicking against the thorns" and a mighty life-long effort to defeat the objections of my "inner machismo" [ego] to this highly-offensive [offensive to every gentleman's, not to mention almost every scientist's, dignity] conclusion, I have finally, begrudgingly, accepted their conclusions).
Quick decisions are cortical, just after 7 seconds after the stimulus Gets a logical response. This means that the emotions are present until we can explain some things.
Your comments on the conclusions of the neuroscientists are very interesting. I am not an expert in that field, so I'm not going to discuss these points. However, I doubt that all psychologists agree with their conclusions .
I rely on intuition, this is the sum of logic and memory.
Intuition is screening the quantum field of the brain, as brain is more than logic it knows also more because it is counting continuously and gives us the best option.
Intuition is direct action, based on the order of the preconscious level, this level we can't reach with logic thinking.
It seems it's working out as I predicted 10 years ago that the brain was working on the quantum level and now I can read in many papers that this is general accepted just five years ago.
My approach would be to explain your decisions, to yourself at least. It would seem that if the decision is explainable rationally, then you've used logic. Otherwise, emotion. This in spite of what these neuroscientists claim!!
Here's a simple example. You are in the process of selecting a painting to hang on that wall. Do you look at the colors in the painting, to see whether they go well with the rest of the room? Or do you just buy the painting spontaneously, because you simply cannot do without?
I have to believe that if we are honest with ourselves, we should be able to determine how we decide. And also, that perhaps most of the time, the answer would be "a bit of both." In the painting example, "a bit of both" sounds very likely, to me.
Dear Bob and all, it depends very much on the decision that I must make. If it's to do with my research analyses, my teaching and other work, I must be almost 100% logical. If it's finding directions, I am logical, and try to follow the tips that my dad taught me when I was a kid. He's a great path finder, but I'm weak in that. For a decision on what I should cook, I'm logical, because at this moment, several friends have some form of cardiovascular ailment. But if it's a decision on choosing what clothes I should wear for an occasion, I am not 100% logical, and I don't need to waste too much time thinking or choosing from my simple wardrobe.
I rely on both according to the situations. In some cases, we need to take decisions considering emotions together with logic. In some cases, we have to consider its emotional and personal values than the logic before taking a decision. I believe that this aspect makes us human beings. But logic is the key thing behind the decisions in general situations.
I shared the same opinion as other scholars' comments that my decision-making is also contingent on both logic & emotion depending on a specific situation i.e. can be purely logical for straight forward instance or emotional e.g. during lost of loved ones, also can be partial logical & emotional. Some people are more logical / rational in most situation vs others who might be more emotional. An instance should be based on logical decision might be construed otherwise by others. As human beings we can't be 100% logical all the time as we are not robot but wired with emotional attributes. Being emotional is not necessary a bad thing but we need to be able to control our emotions to permeate the positive ones.
As for me, some of my decisions are emotional whereas most are logical. Specially, those decisions, which concern near and dear people are more emotional, while those that concern others or myself are more logical.
It depends on the situations. When I deal with my family members or close ones then emotion gets priority over the logic. But when I deal with outer world means neighbors, office members or unknowns I just maintain the reverse equation.
Here is an interesting article by "JIM CAMP", entitled "Decisions Are Emotional, not Logical: The Neuroscience behind Decision Making", please, see it.....
"Think of a situation where you had bulletproof facts, reason, and logic on your side, and believed there was absolutely no way the other person could say no to your perfectly constructed argument and proposal. To do so would be impossible, you figured, because there was no other logical solution or answer.
And then the other person dug in his heels and refused to budge. He wasn’t swayed by your logic. Were you flabbergasted?
This is similar to what many negotiators do when they sit down at the table to hammer out a deal. They come armed with facts, and they attempt to use logic to sway the other party. They figure that by piling on the data and using reason to explain their side of the situation, they can construct a solution that is simply irrefutable—and get the other party to say yes.
They’re doomed to fail, however, because decision-making isn’t logical, it’s emotional, according to the latest findings in neuroscience.
A few years ago, neuroscientist Antonio Damasio made a groundbreaking discovery. He studied people with damage in the part of the brain where emotions are generated. He found that they seemed normal, except that they were not able to feel emotions. But they all had something peculiar in common: they couldn’t make decisions. They could describe what they should be doing in logical terms, yet they found it very difficult to make even simple decisions, such as what to eat. Many decisions have pros and cons on both sides—shall I have the chicken or the turkey? With no rational way to decide, these test subjects were unable to arrive at a decision.
So at the point of decision, emotions are very important for choosing. In fact even with what we believe are logical decisions, the very point of choice is arguably always based on emotion.
This finding has enormous implications for negotiation professionals. People who believe they can build a case for their side using reason are doomed to be poor negotiators, because they don’t understand the real factors that are driving the other party to come to a decision. Those who base their negotiation strategy on logic end up relying on assumptions, guesses, and opinions. If my side of the argument is logical, they figure, then the other side can’t argue with it and is bound to come around to my way of thinking. The problem is, you can’t assume that the other party will see things your way.
What the negotiator can and must do, however, is create a vision for the other side to bring about discovery and decision on their part. In the end, your opponent will make the decision because he wants to. Getting him to want to, using the step-by-step methodology that is part of the Camp System, is the job of the negotiator—not trying to convince him with reason.
You don’t tell your opponent what to think or what’s best. You help them discover for themselves what feels right and best and most advantageous to them. Their ultimate decision is based on self-interest. That’s emotional. I want this. This is good for me and my side.
There’s a detailed and systematic way to go about building vision the right way. But in general, if you can get the other party to reveal their problems, pain, and unmet objectives, then you can build a vision for them of their problem, with you and your proposal as the solution. They won’t make their decision because it is logical. They’ll make their decision because you have helped them feel that it’s to their advantage to do so."
please, see the original article, and if you have enough time see the rest .....
It all depends upon the place where your decisions are required. At home most of my decisions are emotional, where in office all my decisions are logical. HOME IS A PLACE FOR EMOTIONS AND OFFICE IS A PLACE FOR LOGICAL DECISIONS.
Please have no further doubts ... we rational and scientifically-trained humans certainly always strive to use logic in solving problems, however the decision that there is a problem that needs solving in the first place is ALWAYS an emotional one, and the decision about which solution to choose and apply is also ALWAYS a process that takes place in the portion of the brain that processes emotions ... at least according to the latest studies of neuroscientists ;) The proof they offer seems pretty straight-forward, that is, people deprived of the portion of their brain responsible for processing emotions are likewise deprived of the ability to make decisions. Consequently, the ability to make decisions is dependent on one's emotions.
Thread depends on the type of position and the situation psychological and personal nature that the use of logic in everyday life for a long time may overshadow the emotion, but at the same time could lead to a hardening of heart, so I think that human nature is a mixture of logic, which is the experience and the passion which is tolerated.
Research conducted by neuroscientists Daeyeol Lee of Yale University, Daniel Salzman of Columbia University and Xiao-Jing Wang of Yale University has reached the following conclusions regarding decision-making:
Our emotions affect all our decisions
Most decisions involved some kind of reward we receive
Poor decision-making can be a result of dysfunctional brain activity or the impact of negative emotional states such as extreme anxiety.
Contrary to what most of us would like to believe, decision-making may be a process handled to a large extent by unconscious mental activity.
A team of scientists has unraveled how the brain actually unconsciously prepares our decisions. Even several seconds before we consciously make a decision its outcome can be predicted from unconscious activity in the brain.
How we make emotional decisions: A very good article From MIT
Anne Trafton | MIT News Office
May 28, 2015
Some decisions arouse far more anxiety than others. Among the most anxiety-provoking are those that involve options with both positive and negative elements, such choosing to take a higher-paying job in a city far from family and friends, versus choosing to stay put with less pay.
MIT researchers have now identified a neural circuit that appears to underlie decision-making in this type of situation, which is known as approach-avoidance conflict. The findings could help researchers to discover new ways to treat psychiatric disorders that feature impaired decision-making, such as depression, schizophrenia, and borderline personality disorder.
"There come times in our lives when we do things that we don't understand. We confuse ourselves, we might even logically oppose our impulses, and yet we act on them anyway. There are some things that we feel that we absolutely must do. We might know that they're wrong, or pointless, or gravely punishable, and yet we do them anyway. These actions are not born of anger or emotion - we are perfectly sober. It's rather inexplicable. When the time comes, we can't stop ourselves, and so we cannot blame ourselves."
It's an interesting book "Klim Samgin's life" by Gorky about Russian intelligentsia."In a way,acids are as necessary for the organism as salt." If a human being is free and independent,he/she lives up to his/her emotions (love,enthusiasm,delight,admiration).Sometimes we,bearing in mind our status,values,financial position,can't comply with our true emotions and are obliged to use logics and analysis,in other words "to hold our nose".Although we know that unfulfilled wishes frustrate us inside.To Paul Verlaine,"Take pity on me,that i'm procrastinating on the verge of my desire". On the other hand,some people solve problems only logically,taking into consideration their own greed,mercenariness,lucre.It's a kind of jesuitism,hypocrisy."In Russia they say nothing of it's important; they read nothing of it's needed; they do,what shouldn't be done;and do not for selves,but for show...To live with all one's heart is possible only in Paris".
We make decisions as necessary steps to solve problems. Those decisions which are made based on reason and logic as solutions are stable, more right and lasting longer because of the process involved, while those which are made emotionally are instant , unstable and very ephemeral and in most times lead to another chain of problems. It is true that what triggers us to make decisions are in part our emotions, but it is when we make decisions that we have to stay away from utilizing facts from emotions, facts that are illogical and which put our emotional decisions in to the same category.
I enjoyed very much reading the RG-ers' answers and the dispute on the http://bigthink.com/ site article that was shared by Dr Skiles! As always, an introspection brings us many surprises.
On logic. My wife tells me that I am overly logical and I should rely more on the emotion (I guess we are talking about intuition, feeling, hunch etc). I try my best...ha ha. But I tend to get back to logics. Perhaps because of this, I am not really good in multitasking; I do best when I am focused on one thing at a time. Multitasking is compatible with it, I think. Proof: I am alive.
When I deal with loved ones (children, parents, relatives) or when I fear something or feel in danger, I rely on the emotions. in other decisions when there is criteria for judgement, i try to be as logical as possible. Emotions always play a role, though. We may be not aware of it!. Here are a few nice reading. i enjoyed them and i recommend them to all followers:)
When Emotions Make Better Decisions
Dr. Antonio Damasio, a neurologist known for his work on the relationship between emotions and decision making, suggests that emotions may be fundamental to dealing with equal options and decisions that do not have a clear rational basis for choosing.
In his 1994 book, Descartes' Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain, Damasio shows how patients with prefrontal cortical damage cannot create the emotions necessary for effective decision-making. In one example, his story of Elliot describes how, without emotion, he could not make simple choices, such as which color socks to wear. This suggests that at the point of selection, emotions may be key for choosing. Even when we believe they are rational decisions, the actual choice may in reality be based on emotion.
Actually it depends on the type of decision you take. Sometimes you have to rely on your logic and sometimes you have to follow your emotion. But I guess most of the time you should use your logic to take your decision. But if you are confused between logic and emotion, then you should follow Swami Vivekananda, the great Indian saint. He once said,"If there is a conflict between your brain(here it signifies logic) and heart (here it signifies emotion), always follow your heart." To support this statement I am adding the link below.
"Our emotions start to dominate our way of thinking and we can’t access our prefrontal cortex (PFC) as easily." - Jenny Brockis
"The PFC is our ‘executive suite’ of higher thinking processes such as planning, organising and logic. Under stress this can get lost in action, which is why we sometimes see really smart people making really dumb decisions."
i think it depends on internal and external environment. firstly the union of brain i.e logic and heart i.e. emotion are required and then this union must be in cooperation with your outer environment (stimulus) by which one can respond. Now it depends on a person's perception to act logically or emotionally.
In my case i rely on logic MOSTLY.... and i think there is not a single person in the world who is totally logical or emotional..
It is common to make emotional decisions in day to day life; but then many of them you can explain to yourself as logically right. Human mind is capable of any intrigue
I would say that heuristic thinking in day to day processes relies on a combination of emotional salience (often driven by need, want, desire, fear and aversion- driven by more Freudian inlays of psyche) and by somewhat distal logic (goals, purpose, causality, parsimonious explanatory objectivity). So there is an underpinning of pain avoidance systems, and unconscious (distal emotional) mortality concerns (putting on your seatbelt for example), all within a broader frame of logical (distal logic) causality (Working hard to get a promotion for example). If you add in some of the developmental ideas of Erikson, there are logical long-term quests to resolve developmental emotional (existential) conflicts.
Over time, the routine of daily decision-making becomes ingrained in neural systems. So it is hard to make the distinction between what is somewhat automatic response to daily life and what is actual thought processes. For example, I put little thought or emotion into checking the mail or feeding the dog- though I am driven by deeper needs, logic, and emotions to act in both situations. I love my dog, dog's need food. I have bills I would like to avoid, but I feel good when I pay them. But my daily response to dog feeding and mail checking is relatively autonomic.
I would say a clearer question to ask, is when novelty is presented into daily life- is it evaluated by logic or emotions or both. And does the content of the novelty make a difference? What is more effective in influencing short term evaluations and long term evaluations. Emotionalism in the shorter term, logic in the longer? For example, I come into work to find I am being laid off, how do I respond? I come home to find the fridge has stopped working, how do I respond?
Emotionality is the state of being prone to or dominated by emotional responses when logical or more subtle responses are more appropriate, and emotionality can affect anyone at any stage of life. Inappropriate responses could include: emotional meltdowns to seemingly normal activities such as math or reading; exaggerated out
bursts to even the slightest emotional crisis; immature responses to situations; and incorrect interpretation of normal social cues.
I think, we humans are pattern seeking animals and that way we seek pattern in everything we see, feel or observe. Logic is, I perceive a justification to create meaning in what we see, feel or observe. So whatever decisions we make in our life are classified as instantaneous and non-instantaneous. Mostly instantaneous decisions are made sub-consciously (based on past emotions) but when you plan to think over a decision you bring logic by the sense of your justification. So, I think we make decision on the basis of situation or the amount of time or freedom we have in making them.