Refugee problem must be solved by UN

China for example one of the greatest country in the world, why there is no refugees there?

Same thing applies to Gulf states, Russia, Japan, South Korea, USA, Canada, Australia, Brazil,  etc.

We have a large space in the world to accommodate everyone ...

There is no political will dear @Ahmad. It is MUST that refugee problem is to be considered as a global, world problem and it has to be treated in UN!

Dear Ivo, conflicts solutions take long time, in the meantime people are dying in the sea fro no reason. 

Dear all,

Good day,

This is a global world problem, may be treated and solved through the solidarity and global commitment.

Regards,

Dear friends, winter is coming soon, bad weather is knocking on a door. We must take care for refugees in transit countries as long as they do not reach their destination. It is about shelters, food, close, food and all other necessities for them. Many women are pregnant and they are going to get babies soon. Many of them are injured by border police acting in Hungary, Macedonia...!

"UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has said he is "shocked" after Hungarian police fired tear gas and water cannon to force migrants back from its border.

Mr Ban said such treatment of asylum seekers was "unacceptable".

Hundreds were involved in clashes at the Hungary-Serbia border on Wednesday, trying to breach a razor-wire fence.

More than 5,000 migrants have entered Croatia so far - avoiding Hungary - police say, and another 7,266 entered Germany on Wednesday.

German police said this was more than double the number that crossed the previous day, adding that most were picked up on the border with Austria..."

Hungarian Police Beat Journalist, Crew Of Serbian National Television!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34275400

http://inserbia.info/today/2015/09/breaking-hungarian-police-beat-crew-of-serbian-national-television/

Dear Ahmad,

Yes, I agree with you that "we have a large space in the world to accommodate everyone ..."

I will add to this Mahatma Gandhi's Quote:

“The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed.”― Mahatma Gandhi

Yes, Refugee is a world problem, and it has to be taken seriously.  

The problem is what make people willing to become refugees. This is not a matter of accepting people. It is a political problem which when solved will not only stop this emmigration crisis, but bring those citizens back. They all want to be in the place they were born in peace.

The refugee crisis can only be resolved when all the countries will try to perform their responsibilities sincerely above the political thoughts. Some countries like India are ignoring the issue from religious point of view.  We still have enough resources in the world to accommodate everyone  but we don't have enough willing power.

Unfortunately, they did not come up with a plan! Greece cannot accept more, although they are coming in thousands every day! After so many years now they start to obtain a plan. The countries that they start a war there, now whispers with indifference!    

Yes Costas,

it´s totally impossible to keep and register the refugees at the borders (Dublin agreement). Without preparing the infrastructure in each european country and spending money, and I mean all together. Not only some states at the europe borders. Thats a task for all europeans!

People like us (you, me, ...) speak from their hearts but have no powers to make decisions. Politicians, on the other hand, have power but do only make propaganda. This is the world reality!  The governments must put politics aside and do the right thing. All we see double standards. Politicians visit refugees and take pictures with them to show the world they are caring about the refugees but in actuality they do nothing (!) and, in fact, are guilty and responsible for this situation in the first place. In times of crisis, one must be quicker to act than to give slogan. 

Dear all,

A lot of researchers have recently talked about refugees problem, most of them ignore the cause of this crisis.

There is a global war in Syria. People leave Syria because of the war. Jordan, Lebanon and turkey can play a main role in solving the crisis by truly preventing the terrorists and armed people from crossing the border towards Syria.

My dear RG colleagues have given valuable contributions & they almost said what is in my mind. The refugees' urgent problem needs fast solutions before it escalates & Germany has offered the best stand in Europe. I think that Her Excellency Angela Merkel deserves the next Nobel prize. The great German nation is developing into the leading ethical power of this world. Its sympathy & kindness towards the refugees will gain the hearts & minds of all the oppressed & persecuted millions of the human beings all over the world.

Dear All,

Receiving refugees is not the real solution. Making peace and creating human and democratic conditions in inhuman and autocratic regimes – there are too many of them – is the real solution. Ahmad’s propositions are good and nice but illusions. The most unrealistic is the point 5. Have anybody ever heard on refugees or their children came back to their original country?

I can but stress that making peace and democratic conditions in not a task of foreign powers but the local people. What was created in Europe is the result of continual evolution, revolutions and lots of sacrifices. Without sacrifice and very hard performance of local people democracy cannot be transported or awarded.   

My views converge with those of Profs.Omid, Stoica and Bozsik. Prof. Hassanat  has proposed the solutions good citizens would try to carry out. Sadly, politics --specially international politics-- works differently. Politicians will not take any action if they do not have a realistic reason to do so. Even Germany has a reason: to solve the problem of an aging population. Intense pressure from public opinion may be enough to cause politicians to act . In this hypothetical case, they could face political costs if they do not act .However, I see no country where people are demanding to receive refugees. Perhaps some NGOs should initiate campaigns in this direction.

Dear Colleagues,

Good Day,

"Last week Europe saw one of its worst crises in decades. Tens of thousands of migrants entered the European Union via Hungary, demanding passage to their hoped-for final destination, Germany. While the media focuses on the human tragedy of so many people uprooted and traveling in dangerous circumstances, there is very little attention given to the events that led them to leave their countries. Certainly we all feel for the displaced people, especially the children, but let’s not forget that this is a man-made crisis and it is a government-made crisis. The reason so many are fleeing places like Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq is that US and European interventionist foreign policy has left these countries destabilized with no hopes of economic recovery. This mass migration from the Middle East and beyond is a direct result of the neocon foreign policy of regime change, invasion, and pushing “democracy” at the barrel of a gun. Here is the real solution to the refugee problem: stop meddling in the affairs of other countries. Embrace the prosperity that comes with a peaceful foreign policy, not the poverty that goes with running an empire. End the Empire!"  (by Ron Paul, September 07, 2015)

Please, see the following articles:

http://www.un.org/press/en/2004/sc8099.doc.htm

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/9/9293139/refugee-crisis-europe-syria-solution

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/08/five-ways-to-solve-europes-refugee-crisis/

Dear Colleagues,

Good Day,

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them."

                                                                          -----   Albert Einstein

Few days ago, there was a discussion in Monte Carlo Radio in Arabic. One of the participants pointed out to a fact that may not be known well in Europe: The people in Syria & Iraq love their countries very much in more than what many may think to the contrary. Once the problems are solved in the 2 countries, the majority of them will go home. When a civil war was in the close Lebanon (1975-1990), many Lebanese took refuge in neighboring countries & in Europe. When the war was over, MOST of them returned to Lebanon. We are talking about active peoples who lived in very beautiful countries with good natural resources & mild climates  and who consider their countries after God in divinity. Their refuge will be temporary, for sure, as was the case of the Lebanese. 

Refugees problem is so grave in the world, it is very difficult to solve as every country has its own rigid view point. Even, this can be solved by taking few measures:

1. A strong political will by countries

2. By using common platform like UNO, etc.

3. By developing consensus

4. By avoiding geopolitics

5. By forgetting differences and developing cooperation

6. By considering humanity as primary

7. By forgetting boundaries

8. By reducing pseudo ego

9. Etc. ...!

@Ahmad Hassanat and all, not all the countries are in the same position as to the ability to solve this refugee problem.  Some like Germany may be more able than others like Hungary or Serbia.  Some countries are not even in a position to provide jobs and a good standard of living for their own citizens.  We can only do what is in our power, within our abilities.  But we can all pray about this problem that refugees and their host countries behave ethically and responsibly.  From mobile.

Please have a look at this:

""

The EU government are insisting on not working with the Syrian government, therefore not receiving Syrian intelligence data on those entering Europe as refugees.

Even the data shared between Russian and Syria are not passed to the EU due the the European approach toward the Ukrainian crisis.

Also, the opposition is forging Syrian passports to be used outside Syria, and because we do not share any data with any EU government, these passports can easily be used outside Syria; that is because the EU do not go back to Syrian databases and thus they cannot know whether the documentations were Government Issued or forged passports.

Perhaps this is one of the most significant examples:

A forged passport and an ID card cost the journalist US $825, he said on Twitter. He only had to make a phone call to order the fake documents, and was able to pick them up all ready within 40 hours. The man was told he would be able to enter Cyprus with his newly obtained documents.

Both were under the fake name of Malek Ramadan, but had the photograph of the Dutch PM Mark Rutte printed on them. The journalist said it wasn't an initial idea to have the picture of the high-ranking official on the document, he just opted for it when asked to supply a name and a photograph – which only shows you can have pretty much anything printed on "good quality" fake documents.

Finally, large number of "refugees" entering Europe are not Syrian nationals at first place, yet they are using the laws of the EU to welcome Syrians, and buying forged passports so they can be welcomed in some states.

The "refugees problem" as they call it is due to NATO and the Gulf states sending money and arms to terrorist groups in Syria, forcing the Syrians out of their homelands.

Syrian Arab Army

""

Dear Concha,

I am glad you could show me the antithesis in case of Spanish refugees who left their motherland in the Spanish civil war. However, I thought on migrants or refugees in “postmodern” times.  Here you are some interesting statistical data:  

http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/immigration-population-and-ethnicity-uk-international-perspective

Dear Miranda,

Dear All,

Attitudes towards migrants are not only a question of ability but often domestic and foreign political aims are determinant. As far as I could see each of the European or Asian countries tried to follow their political interests modified by moral and sometimes hypocrite arguments. As the situation became more and more acute the rate of objectivity or hypocrisy increases and euphoria decreases.  By the way, political comments – as always - are full with cunning hypocrisy.

Why don't you visit this thread? Lot of xenophobia ...!

Beside, the latest news for Croatia, the EU country!

"Peter Szijjarto was speaking in Belgrade after talks with his Serbian counterpart Ivica Dacic and Serbian Interior Minister Nebojsa Stefanovic. He said:

Rather than respecting the laws in place in the EU, they (Croatia), are encouraging the masses to break the law, because illegally crossing a border is breaking the law.

At the moment, the Croatian government is transporting migrants - in contravention of the laws in force in the European Union - towards the Hungarian border instead of giving them a place to stay and looking after their needs...

Babar Baloch, regional spokesman for central Europe for the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, said his organisation is capable of handling the humanitarian response to the migrant crisis, but “what’s missing is a collective EU action.”..."

https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_solutions_do_you_propose_for_the_reception_of_immigration_to_current_Europe

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/18/refugee-crisis-hungary-builds-border-fence-with-croatia-live-updates

Dear @Ahmed, the responsibility for all such mess belongs to USA and EU! 

We are all can be immigrant at any point of our lives: today the Syrian and some Arab and other countries, in the past the Europeans, who were the most immigrant people in history,  tomorrow, who knows? we have climate change, we have nuclear reactors, we have natural disasters, we have global financial crises, we have a million reasons to make any people immigrant in one day, and without a warning.

Who knows? the Arabs might find them selves one day with millions of European, American and/or Russian immigrants,  I hope not. But this is the life, "one day it is in your favor and 10 days against you" [an Arabic popular saying].

"From 1815 to 1932, 60 million people left Europe (with many returning home), primarily to "areas of European settlement" in the Americas (especially to the United States, Canada, Argentina and Brazil), Australia, New Zealand and Siberia. These populations also multiplied rapidly in their new habitat; much more so than the populations of Africa and Asia. As a result, on the eve of World War One, 38% of the world’s total population was of European ancestry." source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_diaspora

One of the important reasons is: self-centered and selfishness approaches of the countries!

Internal displacement or migration is also refugees of a type. We look at cross nation boundaries movement of people and treat it as refugees issue and call it not my problem case.

While at the same time spend millions for internal displacement or migration and call it welfare of the state.

As global citizens we must understand and accept that displacement or migration or seeking refuge is a failure of the world as a collective.

In my personal opinion no individual wants to leave his base, town city, nation unless he / she is forced. May be due to economic reasons or conflict or otherwise.

The "empathy" Concha talks about is a one-sided, easy-to-advocate, emotionally-driven, and, therefore, superficial form of morality, that is responsible for the relentless arrival of millions of immigrants into Europe that will ultimately destroy this continent. It is empathy for outsiders, and coldness for one's own people. It is one thing to talk about empathy for singular families but we are talking about the use of moral blackmail as a weapon by the left to force Europeans to relinquish their culture to millions of Muslims and Africans, who are best seen as colonizers. I wonder whether Concha has any empathy for the systematic raping of British girls by Pakistani gangs, as well as the rape crises brought into Sweden and Norway by immigrants. 

Its very easy, they dont want to spend money and all forget, that all of us possibly can be refugees. Help them, we can tolerate the suffer.

 What Hanno says is now known as "virtue signalling"; which many here engage in, which means, "hey, look at me, I care for refugees, am I not a good person?" But those who engage in this signalling are either non-Europeans who don't care about the African-Muslim colonization of Europe, but welcome it, or typical leftists who rely on easy emotions about "humanity" (yet don't have a word of consolation, but instead hide away, the systematic raping of white girls across Europe by immigrants. 

I will take seriously Europeans who support mass African refugee migration into Europe when they take a few Africans into their own homes, and nearby neighbours rather than dumping them into native working class neighbours. 

Countries must join hands to solve the problems of refugees and their children. I could not understand why countries have become so hard towards innocent children!

Dear Ricardo

We respect all opinions here,  I swear to God, I did not down vote your answer, however, Raping a white girl by a black is not worse than Raping a white girl by a white or any ethical group, raping is raping and is very bad, who commit it should be punished regardless his religion, or ethnicity.

I started my question with a solution, myself  and most of the our colleagues are not encouraging people to go to Europe, we are trying to figure out solutions to the refugees problem.Europe is not the mother of all humans, there are more countries and more places to go in the world.

I spent 3 years of my life studying at Europe, and believe me it was not a pleasant stay, despite being a students, not working, paying a lot of money to the economy.. I felt (in many occasions) that I was not welcomed.

I just read your opinion @Ricardo. My behaviour is not virtual signalling, it´s remembrance of my own destiny in the early years after second world war. There were a lot of people who helped us despite the bad history of the germans during nazi time.

And to be honest, I don´t understand the fear to get "colonized" by anybody who ever they are.

Kundu, 

You are in India, what about the children in your own country; why this obsession with Europeans or Whites having to take care of the world's children? Two million children die in India every year, http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/04/india-slums-children-death-rate

Dear Ricardo,

I think there is a huge chasm between colonization and beeing refugees, not only in content but in any dimesnion they are in. Victims of colonizations in Asia or Africa or in any continet can tell that better than those of us who did not experienced it. Besides your statement "virtue signaling" is a precursor for virtuous acts, which in such times are vital for the spirit of human beings to enable a lost and tormented soul gains life, hope from the horizon. Let us not forget that things will not remain as chaotic as what they are today, they will be setlled and normal times will come and the virtuos things we do during these times are fruits to be valued and cherished by society later in history.

It is a fact of dynamics of nature, when things get turbelence, chaotic in time, those who stayed closer to the previous normal state of the syatem will apper to be in that state of existence after the turbelunce passed and those who entered in the vortex or singularities and be part of it will be changed and come out to be different and misplaced in a different part. Our characters, values and strong will of being human  are tested when we face such challenging social phenomena in time, not in normal, regualr and happier times.

Thanks George for your post. I think you understand my feeling when reading agression against foreigners. 

Regards Hanno

Dear Ahmad,

We are not talking about rape in general, we are addressing a particular relationship between mass immigration/promotion of diversity in European nations, and dramatic increase in raping of white girls in such countries as England, Sweden, Norway and others by immigrants from Africa and Muslim countries. This is not to say that all members of these immigrants groups are guilty or should be held accountable; it is simply to be aware that this is a statistical relationship ignored in the academic world, although  due to the high number of gang rape cases, in Britain particularly, it was finally picked up by the mainstream media.

Here are some sources on this issue for Britain alone: 

1, First, a report documenting a decade of cover-up and cowardice by the media, politicians and law enforcement: 

http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Easy-Meat-Multiculturalism-Islam-and-Child-Sex-Slavery-05-03-2014.pdf

2. Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham (1997 – 2013): http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

3, By Roger Scruton, one of the foremost scholars of Britain: http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/

4. By Bruce Bawer, who is well known: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/166570/truth-about-gang-rape-uk-bruce-bawer

5. By even the leftist Guardian, which could no longer ignored the mass of evidence: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/08/jack-straw-white-girls-easy-meat

6. By leftist BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

7. By Gatestone Institute: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3854/uk-taxi-rapes

Now, give me some down votes for revealing what academics customarily hide from their students!

Dear Recardo

We are trying to find a solution for a current crisis; we do not compare religions here.

However, those studies are questionable in terms of stereotyping Islam as a bad religion, and this is part of a great propaganda to destroy Islam, even in the eyes of Muslims, have you read "Covering Islam"? Written by the well-known scholar Edward Said, which is about how the Western media distorts the image of Islam. There are hundreds of books and articles about this subject. 

The punishment of sexual abuse and raping in Islam starts from lashing to death, Islam as a religion do not tolerate such bad actions. 

Those guys, whom your studies talking about are not Muslims, even if they said so, perhaps they are from Muslims origins or living in Muslims communities or holding Muslim names, they are not necessarily Muslims. A true (practice)  Muslim do not commit crimes, all kind of crimes including raping and sexual abuse, simply because they are taboo in Islam, if you practice Islam or any other religion you cannot do things and do the opposite at the same time.

If you want to see a Muslim you look at their behaviour, if they behave like what Islam teaches, then they are Muslims, otherwise they are not. I sometimes tell my students that "there is a great number of Europeans who are Muslims without they even know, because they behave like real Muslims and that why they are advanced and more civilized. We are backward because we left Islam teaches behind and become stray". 

The authors of the mentioned studies cannot judge the great religion of Islam based on the practice of some people who have and ID with Islam religion written on. Due to the Western hostility to Islam, those people lost their identity in the west and become non-Muslims, non-Christians, and non-nothing, they are western made.

You know what, if all Muslims are really true Muslims, you will not see any immigrant Muslims. On the contrary, you may see strong Islamic countries, and all the lands of the Muslim will return back including Palestine and other territories. Remember when we were all true Muslims 200-500 years ago, Spain (Andalucía) and most of the eastern Europe were part of the Muslim empire, and large number of Europeans were immigrants in our countries.

And that why some westerns (including the authors you cite and most of the policy makers) are attacking Islam and true Muslims, because they are seeing this as their enemy, those people in the west are very anxious to wake up the giant, who is sleeping in the Islamic divided countries. and guess what he is fidgeting.

Right, Ahmad, so Muslims are all angels who are coming to civilize Europeans who fabricate stories about rape; you can persuade the emasculated males here, or naive European women who have no clue what is going on, but not me: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3&v=tpJPz-yWWHo

Take care of your own people and stop asking Europeans to baby sit your people. Tell Saudis to use their tents: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/16/saudi-arabia-100000-air-conditioned-tents-ready-will-take-no-refugees/

They do nothing for Muslims!

Recardo

you started to heat up...

Muslims are not angels, I am not defending Muslims, as I told you most of them are not Muslims, what I do not accept is to stick the bad behavior of some people in Islam, stereotyping the action as if it is one of the Islamic teachings.

I am not asking anyone to babysit my people, I am providing a solution to alleviate one of the problems that the western policy makers had done to my people.

I criticized our countries and leaders in most of my answers, your policy makers are denying us to elect our own leaders, one attempt, Morsi in Egypt and your western civilization supported the cope and he is in jail now!

you know what, could you please tell your people to let my people alone, we need peace your people are denying us this right, from the time of crusaders until now we never been in peace because of the greed of your people.

Ricardo,

Excuse me, please. I think that you probably did not understand what Roger Scruton wanted to say at all.

I VOTED you comments DOWN.

Before we will continue discussing the “European” refugees crisis further, would you please tell me what you think these photos represent:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11812146/Desperate-situation-in-Syrias-Yarmouk-refugee-camp-as-typhoid-breaks-out.html

https://johnblogged.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/berg-burningman-10_525.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2371311/Syrian-Zaatari-refugee-camp-home-160-000-Jordans-fifth-largest-city.html

All of these preceded, for years or decades!  the so called “European refugees crisis”.

And, I am certain, you will not have slightest difficulty to name ONE SINGLE, SIMPLE COMMON CAUSE for all this. Give me one guess, please.

Dear Ricardo Duchesne,

You are right. It is happening in India despite being all Government and public efforts.

But country is doing a lot for!

I am sorry that there is as yet no response to this question from any British academics, who know more of world politics than I, a mere classicist. It is not for me, as an individual, to apologise for others' actions past or present, but I can apologise in my own right for things done in the United Kingdom that have not been done in my name and that I wish were undone, for the sake of our world and its harmony. Bless you, and bless us all, in the brotherhood of mankind.

...I am waiting for your answers.

The refugees search good acceptation and not in all country they will find it. For example, in the countries of the gulf the refugees would be considered as cheap workers and the refugees do not like this worse treat.

Dragan, apparently, is anxiously waiting for my answers, although he has not offered substantive replies to my prior comments, except to say he "voted me down" --- as if I care that he did, as if I came here to get sissy votes; I am voted down more than anyone, or rarely up, even though I make the most intelligent comments, for the simple reason that I go against the leftist/corporate view on mass immigration. 

Dragan says: "I think that you probably did not understand what Roger Scruton wanted to say at all."

Oh, really, care to tell us why?

"I VOTED you comments DOWN."

So? I did not vote you down, for I have better things to do than play sissy games here. 

Dragan sent another reply in which he offered three links pointing to how bad things were in Syrian refugee camps outside Europe, and then writing that the situation in these refugee camps preceded European refugee crisis, and then adding that I will not find a common cause for "all of this".

I don't know what this has to do with anything I said; I can only state that, if Dragan's point is that the suffering of the Syrians in these refugee camps is a separate issue from this diversity regime in Europe, then I would agree, and what is unfortunate is that had people like Dragan not been such avid supporters of mass immigration and blind propagators of the notion that diversity "enriches us all", there would have been a greater willingness on the part of Europeans to handle his crisis, but you can't have millions of Africans arriving at the same time as these refugees, preceded by decades of Muslim colonization and raping across Europe, and then expect Europeans to open their arms to yet another wave of colonization, which will be followed by more, on top of which, we have our own traitorous elites promoting multiculturalism against their own traditions and native Europeans.   

Don't play games Ahmad; you said that, since the Koran does not condone rape, we should not believe those rape reports, which by implication amounts to saying that we should ignore what the girls who were raped are saying, even though the men who raped them were Muslims. My pointing to the fact that these men were Muslims, does not mean that  I am saying the Koran condones rapes. You are wilfully confounding issues so as to avoid the fact that there is an epidemic of Muslim rape of white girls in England: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gnGjt9vFk

Dear Ricardo,

I wrote to you JUST ONE reply. The rest of my comments were addressed to other commentators and NOT to you. Your responses are so aggressive that I really do not want to continue such a discussion. I am neither leftist nor rightist in persuasion, but I hate aggressiveness no matter from which side it comes. Your opinions approach, obviously, extreme right position.

However, my response to your comment implied that you cited Scruton to support you own extreme position, although Scruton does not express anything close to the wrong convictions of yours. The Pakistanis have been for quite long time a part of British Empire and culture. If they form groups now and behave as a separate community, this may only point out at the problems inherent to the British society and not at Islam. Indeed, terrorism that WE, the West, encouraged in the Muslim world, plays an important role too.

I certainly have my objections to Islam also: a religion that imposes obligations on adherents far beyond modest private life, invading entirely public life, morality and freedom. As I have my objections to other religions, Christian religion for example: which institutions are in possession of unprecedented power and exercise silent, devastating influences on our society as a whole.

Indeed, religions make part of history and culture and are extremely valuable as such and must be seen as such - and separated from superstition and naïve belief and stupidities.

Ricardo,

Your further comments go over the limit of fairness and accepted moral values. This implies that you probably do not belong to those pages. Indeed, this is science and research site. I looked up your short publications list also: all what has been published, and it is not very much, has been printed in some modest, local journals. Please publish something in some serious, peer reviewed journals and come back. Thank you.

Sorry, guys, I exaggerated a bit. But we do not want such people to spoil our nice science and research site, do we?

Thank you Margaret Ward for your kindness and humane, if all people just like you we would not have a single problem in the world.

What do you think Dragan, Ricardo still insisting to relate raping problems in the west to Muslims...

When Greece had the problem EU was deaf! When other countries start to have the problem then they are start to find solutions. Not only that but some of these countries started the war in Iraq, Syria, etc.

Costas My friend, you just put your hand on the wound.

Ahmad,

I responded to Ricardo. I hope he will be looking for extreme right site to see his ideas flourish.

The problem of the young people, groups, as social cohesion, links, ideologies, iconography and gangs is a complex problem and could be analyzed also from the religious point of view. I say "also", but number of other factors are important. I know just London but still cannot say much of the dynamics of the suburban societies, let alone Pakistanis in Redbridge or elsewhere. The delinquency may be limited to some religious group, but this would be just descriptive approach which does not necessarily show the dynamics of the group. Ricardo as a “social scientists” should know this. To stigmatize Islam as religious driving force in such delinquencies is just nonsense.

So let us discuss the question that you asked.

Problem of the refugees (not all “migrants”) is hard but could be solved. I insist that the migrants problem should be predominantly seen as a demographic pressure that will last for very long time, as long as the life conditions would not be improved substantially. The causes of both (refugees and migrants) should be treated, and the obvious cause is our, Western aggressive politics of “introducing democracy by force” that failed, long lasting Palestinian problem, and unsuccessful politics for third world countries. If we would see politics of our governments as a non-transparent veil that hides our wars for petrol, even better. Yet, this must be taken to the UN. Immediately. And the causes must be pronounced. In every Muslim, I think, there is a feeling of deep suffering caused by long, too long Middle East crisis that is seen as hatred against Muslims, more or less. And this must be solved. Not eradicated, but solved.

 Dragan Pavlovic, as is typical with those on the left who support mass immigration and would like to see an end to European ethnicity, which is the most extremist idea ever imposed on any country in human history, thinks he is the arbiter of Gate, judging who should belong here and who should not. First, we are dealing with a topic that belongs in the social sciences, and Dragan is in the natural sciences, so he has no expertise in this topic, other than emotional outpourings and misleading readings of simple articles.

He says that "Scruton does not express anything close to the wrong convictions of yours," but offers no evidence; which goes to show that he is not a true scholar in that he thinks he make claims about what someone thinks without evidence, so let me state what Scruton says about the Pakistani rape gangs. This is the opening sentence of article by Scruton: "A story of rampant child abuse—ignored and abetted by the police—is emerging out of the British town of Rotherham. Until now, its scale and scope would have been inconceivable in a civilized country."

He further says, contrary to Dragan's fabrications: "Matters are made worse by the rise of militant Islam, which has added to the old crime of racism the new crime of ‘Islamophobia’. No social worker today will risk being accused of this crime. In Rotherham a social worker would be mad, and a police officer barely less so, to set out to investigate cases of suspected sexual abuse, when the perpetrators are Asian Muslims and the victims ethnically English. Best to sweep it under the carpet, find ways of accusing the victims or their parents or the surrounding culture of institutionalised racism, and attending to more urgent matters such as the housing needs of recent immigrants, or the traffic offences committed by those racist middle classes."

What I am saying, therefore, is totally consistent with what Scruton says; whereas what Dragan is saying is totally consistent with what Scruton condemns!

Established Europeans figures who covered up the raping of thousands of girls and blamed British culture, are the ones  Dragan supports in that he also blames British culture. BUT Scruton points the finger to Islamic men and to men like Dragan who covered up the crime by blaming British culture and then accusing those who bring these rapes up for attention up of being "extremist".

And yet Dragan imagines himself a good scholar!

Dragan has the nerve to talk about how I go over the limits of fairness, and then say this: "I looked up your short publications list also: all what has been published, and it is not very much, has been printed in some modest, local journals."

All of which is blatantly personal and constitutes an attack on me rather than on what I say. First, when I was on the left, all the articles I published where in international peer review journals; but once I realized the leftist academic world was not interested in facts and logic, and began to express anti-establishment ideas, I was forced to published in less known, that is, less known by leftist academic establishment, journals. 

However, my book, The Uniqueness of Western Civilization, has been a major success with 8 full review essays, in addition to standard book reviews, praised by even leftists as they could not ignore the quality, with close to 900 different sources cited. Here are some of the reviews: 

http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/journal_of_world_history/v023/23.4.northrup.html

http://escholarship.org/uc/item/82g096mc

https://www.nas.org/articles/nowhere_but_the_west

http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=884

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Duchesne-Review.pdf

Meanwhile, who reads or cares what Dragan has to say? 

Ahmad,

Let me repeat what I wrote, and I am interested what you think about this:

Problem of the refugees (not all “migrants”) is hard but could be solved. I insist that the "migrants" problem on the contrary, should be predominantly seen as a demographic pressure that will last for very long time, as long as the life conditions would not be improved substantially.

The causes of both (refugees and migrants) should be treated, and the obvious cause is our, Western aggressive politics of “introducing democracy by force” that failed, long lasting Palestinian problem, and unsuccessful politics for the third world countries. If we would see politics of our governments as a non-transparent veil that hides our wars for petrol, as a cause also, this would be even better and we would be close to the real causes.

Yet, this must be taken to the UN. Immediately. And the causes must be pronounced publically.

In every Muslim, I think, there is a feeling of deep suffering caused by long, too long Middle East and the North African crisis that is seen as hatred against Muslims, more or less. And this must be solved. Not eradicated, but resolved.

Dear Ricardo,

Just for clarity, what does it mean to say "end of European ethnicity " to the human family? What does the "end of the Ethiopian ethnicity" in human society? Humans mingled and intermingled in history to flourish, empower and coexist forever. The varaity is the tapstry, the colourfulness and the source of energy.  It was the consiousness of cave people that human societies should live in their own  not for any other purpose but for protection and group servival. Besides, this topic does not require to be a scoail scientist but to be reasonable and wise and what dear Dragon saying is from the perspective of reason and a behavior of a learnt person of scientific thinking.  

What science establishes, advocates and promotes is a bit different from your ideas and your reasoning. 

Dear Dejenie, 

You ask: what does it mean to speak of the end of European ethnicity, or any other ethnicity, for that matter? First, we need to acknowledge the historical and scientific reality that the human population has been divided into different ethnic groups through history, and that the argument you then make that humans have "mingled and intermingled in history to flourish and empower and coexist" is a general statement without much merit. Humans have intermingled in multiple ways and not only to flourish, they have fought with each other along ethnic lines and for territories through history, and they have formed tribal and territorial boundaries based on ethnic and religious differences. To deny this is to inhabit a make-believe world that only exists in the minds of naive academics without a proper historical understanding.

Yes, they have also interacted peacefully and benefited doing so, but then answer me this; if you think that all human interactions have involved ethnic intermingling, how come Japan, the most trade-oriented country in the world, is racially homogeneous and does not accept mass immigration despite a very low fertility rate? Home come the Han Chinese constitute more than 90% of the ethnicity of China, and why does China not advocate mass intermingling at the same time that it is increasing its trade connections with the world? Do you get it now? 

After WWII, when many European groups that had been dispersed throughout Europe came back to their homeland countries, Europe was one of the most ethnically homogeneous places in the world country to country, as this essay explains: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/europe/2008-03-02/us-and-them

This essay also shows that "Liberal democracy and ethnic homogeneity are not only compatible; they can be complementary". 

Dear Ricardo,

I think I know the history of the world and that of the hman society very well and I indicated what you have said  about infighting based on ethnic lines by saying cave time consiousness of existence which had meaning, purpose and guarantee only when it was in types for sheer defence and serviaval, expansion and dominance. If you think that these thinking still exists and should continue to exist, then I will stop here. You mentioned Japan to be homogeneous society and why not they promote immigration, probably we have to look in to the data whether thay can or not, not by emosions but with reason. 

Japan - area - 145,925 square miles, population -  127 million people 

China - area - 3.7 million square miles, population - 1.3 billion

Canada - area - 3.9 million square miles, population - 34 million

Russia - area - 6.8 million square miles, population - 138 million

USA - area 3.7 million square miles, population - 313 million

Then from these sample data, which countries have spaces to host immigrants with reason?  If I have a mansion of 15 extra bed rooms and another person nearby has only an apartment only with one bedroom, then  who do you think is capabale and has to voluteer to host a guest who happens to be common to all neighborhoods? Just a reasobale question. 

Thanks Dejenie and Dragan we started to find solutions, well said guys 

Answer to Dejenie: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/16/saudi-arabia-100000-air-conditioned-tents-ready-will-take-no-refugees/

Again, why are non-European always obsessing over what Europeans should do for them?

Ricardo asked "Again, why are non-European always obsessing over what Europeans should do for them?"

I think the question is: why are non-European always obsessing over what Westerns have done for them?

Ricardo is citing “Us and Them”, by Jerry Z. Muller, an extreme right wing author. See a comment on “Capitalism and Inequality: “What the Right and Left Get Wrong” by Jerry Z. Muller here:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/04/18/getting-capitalism-and-inequality-wrong/

Then, Ricardo misinterpreted Scruton (who described certain facts) by imposing causal relationship of being Muslim and a rapist, while Scruton did not make such suggestions neither in the cited article, nor elsewhere. In his "A political philosophy" Scruton does the same: makes a diagnostics, but does not suggest causal relationships. Islam forbids and punishes such acts more brutally then our retributive systems do and the acteurs obviously were not Muslim by any means.

This author, Jerry Z. Muller and the journal “Foreign Affairs”, as well as the “Counterpunch”, are politically biased and are to be taken with reserve in the discussions on ResearGate. The extreme right or left theories are not appropriate to be discussed beyond their scientific foundations since such superficial political discussion produce unpleasant conflicts.

This thread does not deal with such questions either. Ahmad has clearly asked what should be moral obligation of the world and each particular country in respect to the actual refugee crisis in the Middle East and North Africa? Saudi Arabia, obviously, as an US satellite, cannot take refugees. The US, by military interventions in the last 15 years and by supporting the IS, directly caused the refugee crisis.

Yet, please, use a scientific approach as much as possible. Not political propaganda. I would appreciate if the commentators would avoid the extreme left or right propaganda arguments that are often similar - the “horseshoe theory” that I suggested to my friend Jean-Pierre Faye and he developed it further - applies. If they still want this kind of discussion, please open your own QUESTION here on RG. I propose it to be, for example “Are ethnic and racial arguments still of value?”

The confused hypocrisy of Dragan seems to have no boundaries in the extremist rhetoric he employs to control this debate, dictate what is acceptable and what is not, even though he is not a social scientist. First, he questions the scholarly credentials of Jerry Z. Muller and the journal Foreign Affairs, calls them "extremist". Dragan, for your information, Foreign Affairs is a very fair magazine that allows for both sides of a debate, as can be testified from its current issue which has an article on the refugee question: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/

Foreign Affairs has been in existence since 1922, widely read by both Republicans and Democrats, and numerous academics, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Affairs

Jerry Z. Muller is a Professor at Columbia University, which is actually another leftist university, although Muller is slightly to the right, http://history.cua.edu/faculty/Muller/

I think it is very irresponsible for Dragan to come in here dictating who should or not comment on RG, and then engage in attempts at defamation by calling anyone he disagrees with "extremist" rather than openly dealing with the arguments. Muller does not deserve to have his reputation maligned just because he wrote an article for Foreign Affairs. 

Anyone who has read my comments will know that I specifically said that government officials in England, established media venues such as BBC, The Guardian, and many others had all concluded that "Muslims or Pakistani rape gangs were responsible for raping thousands of girls in England". I clearly stated that this is not to say that Islam per se should be held responsible or that all Muslims should be held responsible.

What I said, is what Scruton said. Dragan is framing this argument in extremist-not- scholarly terms so he can impose himself and close off this debate.   

As we can see, it is enough to have one like Ricardo ("professor accused by a colleague across the country of racism and bad scholarship") to spoil an academic discussion.

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=30496

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/01/10/Wait_He_Said_What/

I will withdraw from this discussion.

I have expressed my views here openly and my articles are downloaded, and it is obvious that I am an immigration restrictionist, which means that I think we need to cut back immigration in European nations, and reject the idea that diversity as such is a good thing. I have also learned from scientific papers that human nature is ethnocentric and that the pursuit of ethnic interests is a normal disposition that can be consistent with liberal principles.  From this finding, I have concluded that all ethnic groups on the planet have a right to self-determination. We can have some diversity but research shows that after a certain point it creates tensions and illiberal practices such as the suppression of freedom of expression against those who disagree with the imposition of diversity. I have been accused of being a racist for expressing these views, and that itself shows that diversity is very divisive and illiberal, since what I say is very moderate and welcoming to the fact that all ethnic groups have ethnic interests which should not be suppressed. 

So Ricardo, we never heard from you a single solution for the current crisis.

we know that you oppose accepting refugees in Europe, what do you suggest?

Ricardo, thank you for the explanation, although this is clear racist or segregationist position. Please promote it somewhere else. Any state that is not based on equal justice (rights, obligations, opportunistes) for all but on some other principles, like ethnicity or race, religion or anything that apriori is not accessible and acceptable by everyone, is unjust by definition. Read John Rawls, "A theory of justice" by all means; and his "Political liberalism". But let us discuss the question that has been asked. Open other thread with your problem and enjoy your discussion there.

Well said Dragan, each time I learn something new from each answer of yours.

By the criteria you employ, Dragan, we would have to call "racist" all non-Western countries that do not endorse mass immigration and diversity. The problem with your position is that it is driven by a double standard, in which only Europeans are called "racist" if they don't accept mass immigration.

Your views are racist in that you presume that only whites should be held accountable and condemned if they don't impose diversity, while at the same time you also presume that only whites are capable of transcending their ethnic interests, for, if not, why don't you hold non-white countries, Japan, Korea, and Saudi Arabia, to the same standards.

And you are a segregationist in that you clearly believe that those who disagree with mass immigration should be labelled as racist and demonized, which is what segregation is about.  On the other hand, I am a liberal and I endorse the right of everyone else to disagree with my views. 

Let me give you a bit of history on this topic: those states possessing a high degree of ethnic homogeneity, where ancestors had lived for generations – England, France, Italy, Belgium, Holland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark – were actually the ones with the strongest liberal traits, constitutions and institutions. *That is why minority rights became a legitimate component of these liberal nations.* By contrast, those states (or empires like the Austro-Hungarian Empire) composed of multiple ethnic groups were the ones enraptured by illiberal forms of ethnic nationalism and intense rivalries over identities and political boundaries. A state divided among many ethnic groups will find it far more difficult to develop a sense of common national identity and therefore inspire a sense of citizenship and self-sacrifice in the nation’s members. J. S. Mill said as much: "It is in general a necessary condition of free institutions that the boundaries of governments should coincide in the main with those of nationalities."

I have to be more concrete now. You did not manage to insult me simply because your attacks were even not ridiculous, but only funny. I told you already, this thread is not the place for this particular topic. Please transfer this discussion to some other thread. Or write to me on my e-mail. I may answer. Indeed, I believe that your position is not as it is because you are a bad person but because you are not acquainted with the relevant literature. I doubt that I will respond before you will (please) demonstrate to have read Kant’s “Perpetual peace”, Rawls’ “Theory”, or “Liberalism”, even “Spheres…” of Walzer and other relevant literature. Excuse me, I will NOT respond any more here.

I changed slightly my comment above. Its initial version was too hard on Ricardo. Here is the "Theory" in pdf format:

http://webcurso.uc.cl/access/content/group/icp0903-1-21-2012/11%20marzo:%20Libertad,%20paternalismo%20y%20desobediencia%20civil/A%20Ttheory%20of%20Justice-Rawls.pdf

"Political liberalism" is really a must also. Unfortunately I could not find it as a PDF. It is however, relevant to our discussion here. Not as an answer to Ricardo's comments, but as a guide to the choice of some possible steps in resolving of the present crisis. It may explain not only why it is our duty to help the refugees, but also it shows why the US, as the first responsible for the crisis, would be the first that are obliged to take mayor part in the crisis resolution. Nozick's "Anarchy" is may be even more relevant in this respect, and it is also available as pdf here:

https://www.uploady.com/#!/download/VSNxlIHb_~6/zgWdTSllOnoEhqqg

Thank you, Ahmad - I've only just seen your kind response to me personally. I'm sorry that it upset someone sufficiently to waste precious time down-voting your kind response to me personally. In every country and in every religion and irreligion, there are so very many people feeling such rectitude, such certitude and such anger. It all lies beyond my comprehension. Some may call me a fool, but does that make me one?

You asked a humane question. This is a scientific site, but also one that belongs to thinkers expressing their thoughtfulness, the human and humane knowledge that is true wisdom:  'science' in the original sense of the Latin word and that which Socrates and Plato had earlier termed 'philosophia', in their search for and in their questioning of the truth. The love of true knowledge. The love of learning the truth of life - and the hope of learning that which runs deeper than words. 

“Hope” is the thing with feathers -

That perches in the soul -

And sings the tune without the words -

And never stops - at all'

E. Dickinson.

From Pope Francis speech to US Congress, just hours ago:

"Our world is facing a refugee crisis of a magnitude not seen since the Second World War. This presents us with great challenges and many hard decisions. On this continent, too, thousands of persons are led to travel north in search of a better life for themselves and for their loved ones, in search of greater opportunities. Is this not what we want for our own children? We must not be taken aback by their numbers, but rather view them as persons, seeing their faces and listening to their stories, trying to respond as best we can to their situation. To respond in a way which is always humane, just and fraternal. We need to avoid a common temptation nowadays: to discard whatever proves troublesome. Let us remember the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" 

José

The Pope is of course right.

Yet, we often believe that what we find desirable, the others would find desirable too, but sometimes this is not so. That wonderful Golden rule has therefore this important limitation in both its forms, positive, as cited, and negative (“don’t do to the others what you would not like to be done to you”). The limitation is resolved if an adjacent rule is also applied: “before acting or not acting, ask first what "they" would like or not like to have done to them”.

I would like also to mention one important aspect which basics Professor Amartya Sen treats in his excellent book “The idea of justice” published by Allen Lane, 2009. Human rights are somehow beyond existing legislations which even can limit them. Indeed, human rights can sometimes, on the contrary, serve as the motivation for many different activities and new legislation. This is not always so obvious. The difficulty those days is to understand that legislations of the EU or other countries must be overcome to satisfy the demands the human rights impose on us. The EU and international community must face this challenge NOW.

http://ids-uva.nl/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Sen-The-idea-of-justice.pdf

Refugees have doors wide opened, especially of schools, where they should learn about the culture of the host country, otherwise they will sometime in the future create the same problems in the host country which forced them to leave their countries once.

Yes, Dear George Stoica,

I think returning of refugees to their home countries is almost impossible. Lakhs/crores of refugees entered in Europe. From Syria itself, about half of the population has moved towards Europe. Situation is very serious. A big challenge!

The situation presents us with great challenges and many hard decisions.What ever decisions are taken --- must think about settling the refugees amicably and saving their lives.

The Pope is cited above as saying: "We need to avoid a common temptation nowadays: to discard whatever proves troublesome."

I agree, let's not discard  news about the growing rape epidemic brought into Germany by the migrants just because it proves troublesome to those who think mass immigration is "culturally enriching": http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-germany

I love Pope Francis

Dears George Stoica and Subhash C. Kundu

I disagree that most of the Syrian, particularly the Syrian will not return to home land after the problem solved for the following reasons:

1- life is not as easy as other think in the west, it is very competitive.

2- life is not easy in the west for Muslims

3- life is not easy in the west for the colored people 

4- Arabs like to live in extended families, and they have very strong relatives bonds, they cannot stand living far a way from their roots

5- I personally know tens of Jordanians who are very successful USA or Canadian citizens, and come back to live in Jordan, I think this would be a hot research topic.

6- there are tens of thousands of Jordanian citizens with western names, it is not the norm for Jordanian and the Arabs to name their daughters and sons using western names, most of those people are either married with western persons or having western citizenship, they are living in Jordan and not considering leaving it. check my file https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272353220_Arabic_Names_Starting_with_Alef which contains names of Jordanian starting with "Alef" "A" you will find tens of western names.

7- most of Arabs living in in the west they stay until they get a certificate, experience in something or make some money and they come back soon or stay for a certain age (normally 40-50)

8- Arabs love moderate climate (the Arabs favorite) Syrian Climate is better than most of the European countries.

9- people who went to the west by their own will, they returned back, how about those who immigrated there against their will?

10- life is much cheaper in the Arab world (Gulf Exception), in Syria you can get a furnished large flat in the best area of a city with less than $50 monthly rent, education in Syria and some other countries is almost free, food & cloths are very cheap, i.e. with only $200-$300 you can start a family in Syria.

11- there are many reasons for refugees to come back, I invite the contributors to this thread to add more.

Conclusion, no body goes to the west because it is the paradise, they go there because they are hiding or running from something, poorness, war, jail for their views, injustice,  violation of their human rights, etc.

let us help as scientists and perhaps decision makers to solve that God dammed problems and you will not find any colored person on borders.

 let us stop being greedy and think humane for a moment.

The European had sophisticated and divided the 3rd world badly: on each oil wheel there shall be a country, why they put neutral zones between countries, was it to help starting a war at any time? examples of neutral or undecided territories, Kashmir, Ahwaz, the zone between Kuwait and Iraq, Hala'ib Triangle, Israel occupation,  etc. (now US is dividing the divided).

Europe (and the west in general) never let us in peace for a long time, and they are behind a large number of problems that we are facing today, and when a punch of people pleading and begging for life on their borders they are faced by razor wires, police, dogs and kicking (even by a journalist)  

sorry for writing too much, it is the pain, which is eating my heart and millions of my people, still we love you people, because you had done a lot to humanity, knowledge, machinery, medicine, IT, space missions, human rights, etc. beside the bad deeds there are many good deeds and that why we still love you guys, could you please learn to love us back?

Data Arabic Names Starting with Alef

It seems to me that some scholars do not have the accurate information about the region which is composed of (Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Palestine) which was one unit before 1918. The people in this region love their countries very much & the Syrians, in particular, have the so-called "patriotic sufism" which means excessive adoring & pride in their country. You know that the Palestinians did not give up the right of return to Palestine despite all pressures since 1948, you know that most of the Lebanese refugees returned to Lebanon after the civil war (1975-1990) ended, and you know that the Jordanians are very much attached to their country. I do not exaggerate when I say that Syria is one of the most beautiful countries in the world with rich natural resources & with fantastic varied mild weather.

I really wonder why the media was filled up with fears about helping refugees in some European countries. It is neither Arabic invasion nor Islamic invasion. These refugees escaped from an almost certain death & they have the human right for help. Give them only the "refugee status" no more & I assure you that the Syrians will return to Syria once the war is over. I may add that the Syrians never like to be a burden on any country; they are hyperactive people with many skills in industry, cuisine & commerce. I am really afraid that the countries, in which they took refuge, will try hard to keep some of them there since they are valuable asset.

Nizar,

I am sorry, I do not agree.

(1) When colonial empires released their colonies, number of the « new » (or old) states were (re)created. The states you mention are not exceptions.  The feeling of closeness or of brotherhood with the peoples does not mean that the people must share the same state. One state is a political and administrative structure based on equal rights (taken in a broad sense) and not on ethnicity or religion. If this were ethnicity that makes a state, the people of the given ethnic group would, by definition, be advantaged and the people of the other ethnic groups disadvantaged in such a state and such state would not be a “just stat” - by definition.

(2) Religion that is too inclusive and exclusive has always been a problem for a just state. All religions aspire to impregnate the whole of human private and public life, and this resistance against secularisation is strong for example in Islam and in Jewish religion. The countries of the West have partially solved this problem by definitely separation religion from state. Islam is may be on the way to achieve this, but the process is long and still in its beginnings. The Europeans are anxious that Islam takes advantage, as it happened in the Balkans. Muslims have been not so easily integrated even after several generations and this produces some hesitation in Europe now. Even the most “secular” Turkish populations in Switzerland and Germany tend to form ghettos and remain isolated. This is happening partly also because of their Islamic traditionalist tendencies.

All those things make it very difficult today to accept smoothly the priorities for the resolution of this primarily human rights problem. The awareness that the exodus that we see is a result of "60 years of terror" in Palestina, and of massive military interventions by the NATO and subsequent reactive “islamisation” and development of extreme fundamentalist movement, is not sufficiently present in the West. Yet, the later was even stimulated by the West in order to facilitate the “totalitarian regimes change”! This is what makes the West responsible too. The West is obliged to revise its politics fundamentally and the US politics is in fact in the very centre of the problem.

I think that the failure to have successful economical program for the Third world countries is one of the causes too and the exodus will continue may be for decades including the African continent also. This is why all what I mentioned needs to be overcome but the priority should be given to the human rights now. At the same time all of us must understand that there are things to change in the Muslim world for which the Muslim world must also do something.

But now: the human rights FIRST.