Dear Raj Kumar Kapooria I have been study gravity for while, and I believe Gravity is a quantum mechanics phenomenon. To me Gravity is internal not external.

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Dear Raj Kumar :

Gravity doesn't have any role whatsoever in the 0th Law and 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, but I would be sure about the 1st one.

For the phenomenon of Gravity to be modeled by any Physical Law, at any level of importance, the mathematical equation and/or the physical concept should include the source of Gravity, which are three: Energy, Mass and Momentum. So if we think in a Physical Law which neither of theses three physical features of a system is present (be in a way of an independent or dependent variables, or as a proportionality constants, or even just as a fixed parameter) then this Law is not related whatsoever with the Interaction of Gravity, so:

The Zeroth Law the only thing it talks about is Temperature of a body, it doesn't extend to what is the source of these temperatures, or the Energy related by these Temperatures changes, so the force of Gravity is related in zero manner to this Law, has nothing to say about Gravity.

Rerarding the 2nd, Law... This Law only talk about the changes in Entropy of a system, of its surroundings and of the Universe (defining Universe as everything there is within the study excepting the system and the surroundings, this is the Thermodynamic concept of Universe, not the Physical real macroscopic concept related to the place we all live).

So this Law is purely about Entropy, which is not a source of Gravity. So, because Thermodynamic Entropy is just described by the Second Law and by its definition (dS >= dQ/T) , there is no relation between the Thermodynamic Entropy and Gravity

Note here: I'm talking just about the Thermodynamic Entropy, others Entropies could be related to Gravity, and certainly they are, like the Bekenstein-Hawking Entropy, or the Entanglement Entropy (which it has a more formal name which I cannot remember at this right moment).

But what About the Fisrt Law ? it is totally about Energy

The First Law is the Law of Convervation of Energy. I couldn't say for sure what formalisms (if there are some) we can come out with involving the Force of Gravity with the First Law. But maybe if you study a Macroscopic system like a big body, like a planet, (careful, the Macroscopy body in study should be in Thermodynamic equilibrium for the 1st. Law to be valid) and you modify your model for Gravity, maybe the outcome given by the 1st. Law would be different too.

Not sure,

but Best Regards !

Franklin,

Dear Franklin Uriel Parás Hernández Hi, and your thought is interesting, would be clear more about gravity?

Article Gravity is an Internal Force

this is my thought let me know what is wrong with it. thanks

All the present time, physical law's relating to the studies of the thermodynamics had been developed via experimental works carried out on this planet. The atmospheric gasses get associated because of the gravitational force and results in the construction of the earth's atmosphere. Therefore, gravity can't get isolated, however it's indirect effects have been worked out in a research paper titled

"SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATIONS OF GRAVITATIONAL-EFFECTS ON FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS". This full length paper is available on research gate.

Dear Raj Kumar:

It is true that the three laws of Thermodynamics were discovered, formulated and compacted in an useful (mathematically)expression or included as a part of a concept definition (like the 0th Law) via purely experimentation, they started as phenomenological Laws (the Zeroth Law continued to be purely phenomenological, it doesn't need any other profound explanation based on a mathematical theorem or another underlaying law of physics).

But, at least, the First and Second Laws have been enriched with more solid foundations through years. For example, even tough the most part of the discovery of First Law of Thermodynamics is attribiuted to Joule, now we know there is a deeply underlaying physical principle behind this Law, which is Noether's Theorem which talks us about the natural symmetries of the Universe. And, what to say about the Second Law? If there should be one Law in the Universe which should be a 'real' Law, is the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which 'almost' (to say almost is a small thing) always is true.

What I want to say is that it doesn't matter than the First and Second Law have been experimantally verified just in this planet. They will be, and should be valid for the whole (observable) Universe.

I still not being sure in what way the description of a system through the First Law will be affected by a modification in the Laws of Gravity, but I'm sure it will, since the First Law describes the changes in the Total Energy of a System, and Energy is the Source of Gravity. For the Second Law, I don't think this one and the Laws of Gravity are related whatsoever.

Best Regards ! :)

Dear Raj Kumar Kapooria,

You have wrote an excellent question! If we are speaking about an independent system, there we can speak the effect of thermodynamics law to gravity… But if we consider another system which affected by gravity of the first system, in this case the gravity of the first system can produce changing in the thermodynamics equilibrium of second system… With the thermodynamics law can be achieve one the best physical description of gravity laws…

You can read my article: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327201504_Gravity_a_paradym_shift_in_reasoning,

Regards,

Laszlo…

P.s: the article is not public, but if you want I send you

Gravity is Internal not external

Article Gravity is an Internal Force

Thermodynamics considers the internal degrees of freedom of matter and the energetic consequences of this freedom. Quantitative statements of thermodynamics like heat conduction, effective heat capacity and so on are based on considering the kinetic energy of the particles, under the restrictions given by the microscale freedom of the according state of matter (rigid, liquid or gaseous). The influence of gravity those considerations is negligible.

Nevertheless, gravity sensitive thermodynamic processes like crystal growth exist. According experiments take place on the ISS.

Vasili Dimitrov

bout the universe pronounced these four forces created universe. At first they thought whole universe is one galaxy. therefore this theory of the Big Bang should be refused when human find universe has billions of galaxies. Universe is not acting as they predicted, universe building block is a quantum mechanics phenomenon, and gravity is QM, and internal in the atom.

Article Gravity is an Internal Force

Article How the Language of the Universe Works

1st. Gravity is a field theory. This is to say, that the gravitational field has a value in every point in space in the whole Universe (this value could be positive, could be negative, or could be zero, but the field exists in every point in space) even if there are no sources of gravity nearby.

Another feature that is part of the concept of Gravity as a field is the property of Locality; Gravity is Local: this is to say that events in one point could just affect or be affected by events in a nearby point whereas the speed of the traveled information doesn't surpass the maximum speed of propagation at the field. For gravity this speed is c.

The above is the first part of the theory of Gravity,

Another importat part is to include the field of Gravity in (as far as we know) what it is the most fundamental theory for describing our Universe, this is Quantum Mechanics, in combination with Fields, which gives us Quantum Field Theories, like QED or QCD. Well, if you belive in QED and QCD, and in how the Weak nuclear force works, and if you believe in the Standard Model of Physics, then by consecuence/extrapolation you should believe in Gravity as a particular Quantum Field Theory, since the fundamental mathematical background is the same.

So Gravity is

1. a Field

2. Has a Quantum Mechanical Nature/Description.

So Gravity is a Quantum Field that permeates all the Universe, Gravity is present in everypart and every point, no matter if there are no Gravitational sources up to a billion of light years away, Gravity is a field , so the field cannot be turned off.

In Einstein's Theory of Relativity the source of Gravity is any object or 'thing' with Mass, Energy or Momentum... or the Energy itself (Energy is not a substance, however is a source of gravity). This can be mapped out to the QFT of Gravity that in QFT the source of gravity is anything, or better off said: The field of Gravity is in every point in space, and a very very tiny small of Energy is required to make vibrate this field, this is the reason that every accelerated mass produces Gravity, and that everything pair of particles containing Energy exchange virtual Gravitons

A very tiny small of Energy is needed to make the Graviton field vibrate.

So, since Gravity is a Field , and since the mediator particle which 'carry' the vibration in the Gravity field is the Graviton, and this has 0 mass, the propagation of a ripple in the Graviton field can travel to the other side of the Observable Universe (this is a mathematical concept, like the concept of virtual Bosons)

in other words, Gravity is Energy in vibration, is a field, is not a particle, or a point source, it doesn't has its source on a particular body or on a particular particle, but is everywhere, it is just that there are different localions in space where the aplitude of the Graviton field is small, and other places where the amplitude is much larger (the amplitud of a field represents its Potential Energy), so the Energy propagates in the field with different intensities.

Best Regards !