Is it time getting dimension, is it space infused by time. Can it have any significance when it is not correlated with a special event.
I am very impressed by the working of space-time on the level of molecular biology.
Can time hold its linearity in the space-time-event model. Can the concept of synchronicity bring some clarity.
Informally, space and time are interwoven to form the spacetime. The Wikipedia article linked below provides a fairly nice informal description but I am not aware of any relation to molecular biology so far.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
Please narrow your implication of "Space-time" in your question, does it refers to 1) physical aspect , or 2) human perception of space and time? there is a lot of differences between these two implications. Synchronicity(especially) in brain inter correlated with the latter concept.
Thank you for the link to the Wikipedia Artur Sergyeyev, the different aspects are for me difficult to detect.
Somewhere there must be an understanding why all the actions in the cell are so well happening in a ordered chaos principle. For nature there exists no time but something is happening.
If unconscious knowledge is coming to the surface and the event becomes observable, this timespaceblock has something in common with the spacetime of the working of the cell.
The ideas of John Wheeler and Feynman, about the 'one electron universe': the same electron would be observed in such a way as to appear in many places simultaneously, are a philosophy of space-time.
Actually I am very interested in the rhythm of things, poetry and music.
Their inner and their outer rhythm; how poetry is travelling in space to its right destination.
This is the same rhythm how a neuron is finding its destination while growing.
The connection between products of mind as poetry and music and their manifestation in space with their specific rhythm is most important; as a well known composer said: ‘we are following the music’. It is the ‘rhythm’ with its content and form that decides where to go, when, and to whom.
On this level the classical laws are not valid anymore so the post quantum area must find the tools to bring these worlds together.
Rhythms are complex consequences of natural frequencies and often represented in music, lyrics, poems etc and usually restricted to the hearing sense, but it should be taken into account that human enjoys also of other pleasing senses specially the visual sense. Natural frequencies related to oscillations and periodic phenomena, can be detected from galaxies to the solar systems and heart beat (EKG) or brain waves recording on EEG in macroscopic world and wave behavior of elementary particles such as electron,proton, mesons etc in microscopic world. therefore oscillations and their related concepts i.e. wave length, frequency , rhythm and harmonies can be traced out in all points of the world, living or non-living systems. Consciousness, enjoying of listening to a music or watching a masterpiece etc as complex processes occurring in brain, might be a direct consequence of resonance between the frequency and rhythm of a music or a scene with natural frequencies in brain sensory neurons.
This is beautiful written.
On the level of elementary particles, can we see consciousness as a-local. So that the rhythm becomes stronger as the thought and dirigate the event in a synchronistic way.
Dear @Rita, this is a challenging issue. For me as a Mathematician, space time means that the position of an object(article, cell, whatever...) is moving with time along a curve. At a specific time, say t0, the location of the object is determined by applying this relation at t0. As an example, see the following link that describes the position of an object tht is moving on a circular helix:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix
http://planetmath.org/circularhelix
thank you, time has to grow for a better understanding, but I like the image of the helix. Also the cyclic time I would present as helix.
My time-space reality and the happening of special events.
Synchronicities would be sporadically manifestations of the psycho-physical reality. As that psychic level is not a causal reality, synchronistic events would be manifestations in the physical world of an ‘acausal orderedness’, they are unique, sporadic and unpredictable. These underlying orderedness would be constant as Jung said. And I can accept it, as it is the deepest contact people can have with each other. This would also be related to the collective unconscious. And these unique events happen in the realm of timeless order. I should say ‘time frozen into space’. Synchronicities are only one kind of expression of the orderedness of interconnections between psychic and physical processes.
these ideas come from a book of Marie-Louise von Franz, an assistent of Jung
I put a pointer to this question so that I can answer after some time.
"What binds us to space-time is our rest mass, which prevents us from flying at the speed of light, when time stops and space loses meaning. In a world of light there are neither points nor moments of time; beings woven from light would live “nowhere” and “nowhen”; only poetry and mathematics are capable of speaking meaningfully about such things. "
— Yuri I. Manin
In 'Mathematics and Physics', collected in Mathematics as Metaphor: Selected Essays of Yuri I. Manin (2007), 130.
I like it, because I really believe that sometimes it all disappears. I’m even sure that archetypes are creating their own space/time if they are activated and that we make our future if we live according to certain unwritten psychological rules It is true that art and science were living next to each other in a cold war relationship. If they could come together, life would be sparkling new.
“A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.”
….Albert Einstein
This is beautiful said also David Bohm spoke of 'The Wholeness and the Implicate Order'.
The prove of this whioleness can't that be synchronicity I mean this interconnection that surpasses space-time, expressed in special events.
Living in time and space as we do, we perforce live always in the fragmentary and imperfect, never in the whole, the perfect. Only at rare moments the personal ego is withdrawn from consciousness, time-and-space perceptions are removed. We are granted a mystical experience and transcend the time-space world. We feel the beauty and sublimity of being liberated from a mere segment of experience into the wholeness of Life itself.
I would say that by transcending the fragmentary time, time-space responds as a whole and thus the future becomes ordered in the whole. It is by the synchronicity of time that we are at the right place at the right time. But the mechanism is working at the unconscious level so we can't force it. Many times my life came out as programmed by some lucky star.
Yes you are right both time and space may be considered as ordering scheme of events and objects and it is the individual who envisage this scheme. Even if we can come out of such format, the ordering remains unless we can disregard this world itself. Possibly then only we realize the ultimate truth.
Yes by disregarding the order, it works out the better and it is leading us to places or situations where we are needed to act. This is the whole philosophy I understood first by experience with Steve Lacy. When I met Steve Lacy I was already prepared, he gave me the prove and showed me the system even without words.
It is all about consciousness, interaction and goal.
I really do not know, since there can be no visible beginning in time of the universal order and, equally, no ending of it. Possibly this is the meaning of eternity. Must we reject time and history in order to live in the eternal “Now”? Must we pretend in order to acquire the consciousness of “Overself” that this human drama is not being acted out by the "I"? I do not know. I recognize that, through the limitations set up by time, space, and sensation, the perceptions of forms and the experience of events by the personal ego become possible. I can feel my own existence. Any change in these limitations would bring about an uncertainty. The world which I know would vanish. Could be that would mark the end of our ego and gives me the ultimate freedom to understand the wholeness of Life.
Yes the ego disappears in place comes the idea which is living out. And the idea starts with a dream. And if you think very deep the dream will become more and more important. That's what I learned from Johan Daisne who invented the magic-realism in his novels. Now his novels are still working out, they became identities. They got a vector and force. To be in harmony with these archetypes gives kind of happy relaxation.
If ego disappears what can happen? let me quote a poem from Rabindranath Tagore. Original language is Bengali. Though it is not a very good translation but you will be able to feel the message. Title of the poem is I.
I
Rabindranath Tagore
Translated from Bengali by Dipali Chakraborty
With the colour of my own consciousness
The emerald became green, the ruby became red.
I opened my eyes at the sky,
And there was light
In the east, in the west.
I looked at the rose and said,`Beautiful!'
Beautiful it became.
You may say, `This is philosophy
Not the message of a poet.'
I will answer, `This is truth,
Hence this is poetry.'
This is my pride--
Pride on behalf of whole mankind.
It is on the canvas of human consciousness
That the Great Creator creates His world of art.
The philosopher meditates and chants with every breath--
`No, no, no!
Not emeralds, not rubies, not light, not roses, not you, not I'.
On the other hand, the Infinite Being Himself has pursued His creation
Within the limits of human mind,
And that is called `I'.
Within the depth of that self light and darkness blended
There arose images and emotions.
Who knows when, by what spell of Maya
‘No' bloomed into `Yes'
through lines and colours, joy and sorrow.
Do not call it philosophy.
My mind is full of delight
In this sphere of creation of the Great Self
With a brush in hand and colours on a palette.
The scholar says `That ancient moon--
He has a cruel, cunning smile
Like a messenger of Death
He is stealthily approaching the ribs of the earth.
One day he will attract her oceans and mountains
With a tremendous force.
And that will produce a cipher on the new page
Of terrestrial time
And devour all accounts of days and nights.
Human achievements will lose their
pretence of immortality,
Human history will be swept over by the
Dark ink of eternal night
The dying eyes of mankind
Will suck the last hues from the universe.
The dying souls of mankind
Will wipe off all its emotions.
Power will vibrate through the skies
No light will be there.
Through the vacant hall of the deserted world
The musician’s fingers will dance away,
No music will be there.
That day the unpoetic God will sit alone
In the sky devoid of its blue
With his accounts of impersonal existence.
Nowhere upto the farthest end of the vast universe,
With its unlimited number of galaxies
This voice will sound,
`You are beautiful!' `I love you!'
Will God sit again to meditate
Through the ages
And chant in the dusk of destruction
`Speak! Oh, Speak!'
Will He plead, `Say, you are beautiful’?,
`Say, I love'?
Tagori was my favorite poet long ago, also translated in Dutch. I didn't know he was Bengali. After this, there is no discussion about the I and the Self which can be interpreted as opposite or just meaning the same.
Clear is that at a certain stage the oppositions are going to fuse, at that point all discussion stops.
May be I can introduce you to the question of Ankush 'Are you the person you always intended to be' All together we are writing a book. One chapter can be 5000 words. It will be a mix of different ideas. This poetry can be used as it is of your country.
You mention about a book. The book will be on which topic and who are the authors?
Yes, title is: 'Are you the person you always intended to be' topic is not indicated, it is on RG Ankush Sachdeva was asking that question and it would be fine if we together could write a book. He also wants a new academia with forum. The authors are him, me and Beatrice and may be Kamal Eddin Bani-Hani. each author can bring in 2 other authors.
It would be nice to join us, it is not so popular.
Sorry that I could not respond in time. The book intended to be written will contain a philosophical idea viz., 'Are you the person you always intended to be'. The idea is very good but I don’t think I have the required expertise. Writing few lines is easy but to present a idea in totality is extremely difficult. I do not have this much courage.
You are so very honest about this question, indeed the most simple things are sometimes the most difficult. Ankush asks the limits that's why he also wants a new academia and new forum.
RG really doesn't come up with any results, it keeps itself going on.
It is also very easy to disappear in spacetime of RG as we hear nothing about Kamal Eddin. The reason can lay into politics, religion, paradigm of science or indeed personal reasons.
I should be honest because otherwise your planning about the book will not work. This is my ego and therefore I exist in space-time. This is my pride-- Pride on behalf of whole mankind.
As I was the first to follow the question about the temporal ordening between cause and effect ( with a delay of one minute) it says something about spacetime intuition.
Possibly that is our pride and therefore the space-time exist.
Truth always wins through with an honest space-time intuition.
If I could put spacetime as a complement with synchronicity in an equation it would be a valid paradigm for neuroscience, as the mind is here the leader..
If you do so, causality will not have any relevance and synchronicity will only succeed in space-time continuum.
This is the root of nature. By logic thinking we separate from reality and the thought process creates the story of causality.
So which was first a synchronicity event captured by intuition becomes later by thought a causality. As logic thought is in the time, intuition is not. Naturally I can make it deeper and illustrate it better but for the moment this is fine.
I wait for the paper of Erkki Brändas.
Are you suggesting a paradigm where intuition should dominate logic? What you mean possibly is that, some thing happens and then we explain it in terms of logic. Causality is a formality only under the assumed space time definition. In absolute prototype therefore, synchronicity should replace causality. and mind becomes the leader..
Synchronicities are those moments of “meaningful coincidence” when the boundary dissolves between the inner and the outer. At the synchronistic moment, just like a dream, our internal, subjective state appears, as if materialized in, as and through the outside world. Touching the heart of our being, synchronicities are moments in time in which there is a fissure in the fabric of what we have taken for reality and there is a bleed through from a higher dimension outside of time. Synchronicities are expressions of the dreamlike nature of reality, as they are moments in time when the timeless, dreamlike nature of the universe shines forth its radiance and openly reveals itself to us, offering us an open doorway to lucidity.
Paul Levy
The terms intuition, logic, causality, synchronicity, energy, spacetime, are all settings in a story.
Intuition can be very logic.
Some terms are forming pairs they can work complementary in certain settings of the story; synchronicity (action) and spacetime (field) is for me perfect realised on the molecular level of the cell. Our brains lost much of that creativity. That’s why in a favorite situation we are surprised and so we give it a name: synchronicity.
Synchronicity can work in the positive or in the negative way it depends of our intentions. It is the unconscious that manifests itself if there is psychic energy available.
And so yes all our thoughts are registered and form a tapestry, they influence the materialization in spacetime.
Also intuition (force) and synchronicity (action) form a unit.
The unified forces in nature are realised in the psycho-physical field.
Synchronicities are cystallizations in linear time of a nonlinear, acausal, atemporal process, windows into the realm outside of time and space, a world in which we ourselves are active participants in and of “the one creative act.” These happenings can only be explained by timeless intuition. It can be a deeply mystical experience, expanding our sense of who we imagine we are and transform our intimate relationship with ourselves.The ego disappears and finally we submit our selves to the eternity
The concept of transcendental unification is a psycho-physical reality, a universe beyond time and outside of space in which psyche and matter are inseparably co-joined as interconnected parts of a deeper, unified field.
This is very true Anup, but how you put this in a simulator so that everyone can experience it. And has this a prediction factor as calculated in the models.
As we are making a docudrama of the novel of Johan Daisne ‘One Night A Train’, I see this as psycho-physical, because we must think on different levels. I even pretend that I can feel the dream of the author by intuition, and connect the dream of the novel with the historical reality.
Afterwards when the film is finished I want to defend it in the real time-space of the moment (the public) and in the system of causality and effect. (the consequences)
So art can be seen as creating an own spacetime so that everyone who comes in this field can be part of it. In following the dream of the author we transcend the normal way of life. This must be called insight.
The movie will also be prove of how strong a dream can be and how information has been transferred by daydreams.
The idea of eternity is just a feeling.
Dear Rita,
I am not very sure whether simulation would work, because one has to feel those moments of “meaningful coincidence” when the boundary dissolves between the inner and the outer. It is the expressions of the dreamlike nature of reality, as they are moments in time when the timeless, dreamlike nature of the universe shines forth its radiance and openly reveals itself to us, offering us an open doorway to freedom.
One should be able to move to such a dimension for enjoying that independence.
Anup
Simulation and prediction I just picked up from your papers Anup, it was kind of reaction on the models and systems and indeed if spacetime makes contact with the unconscious it feels as an open doorway to freedom, in fact archetypes can take over the leading which can augment the psychic energy
FROM TIME AND SPACE TO SPACETIME WAS ONE STEP
The fusing of two minds is the fusing of two spacetime, nothing new but not so simple. It makes that one and one is not always two.
The escape in the own spacetime is something else.
If someone (spacetime A) makes contact with an idea (spacetime B), something more abstract, something more universal, it can be positive or negative depending on the aim and meaning. This is the case in writing a book or composing music; the converging of different ideas, different levels, of different spacetime.
If the junp in another spacetie doesn’t make contact with the Self, but is rather an escape as in gaming, it can lead to schizophrenic behaviour and the result can be rather aggressive as there is no coherence with the Self.
Spacetime came into physics a hundred years ago, Pauli tried to combine it with the psyche, the Self, the archetypes and synchronicity.
In this way he isolated himself from the pure physics. His dreams were so important that he could not do otherwise than promoting the psycho-physics.
In this way nothing can repeat itself, the more coherent the fusing of spacetime the more active the archetypes, the more coincidences happen.
I really like this evocative and interesting discussion. My opinion is that we do not know what is the time and don't know what is space. We do not know the nature (the essence) of the space and of the time. So we have good models to measure the space-time but do not know the nature of space-time. What we can see is that time does not make sense without the space and the space don't have sense without the time. When we will understand where and how they starts and where and how they ends then maybe will be the case we will talk it again with Platone, Leibniz, Kant, Einstein and so.
Ciao
Leonardo
I think it is possible to work with spacetime without knowing the beginning and the ending.
Spacetime can be seen as one dimension and when 2 spacetime crosses we have 2 dimensions.
Humans can psychologically tune into different spacetime by intellect and intuition. It is as a metaphor which carries different meanings at once. The more spacetime we can combine the higher value we sustain. The closer we come to Plato.
By intuition we can get new findings, coming in contact with new spacetime and clear some riddles.
That’s how I see a movie. The combination of so many spacetime converging in a condensed information that unfolds in the real space and moment.
Making a movie myself, I'm very surpised how all the elements are fusing together and how the adjustment is realised in a new stroke of spacetime.
One spacetime may be fused with another provided there exists some similarities. Possibly space time similarity is the root cause for affinity to one another.
I think that this is only part of the true. Also ideas can create there own spacetime and unconscious actions. But humans can give a value to a certain event in nature, it gets a quality.
As spacetime is connected with the implicate order of nonlocality (or is) it can hardly be seen as causal but afterwards it can be interpreted as a meeting.
This meeting can simultaneously express itself through inner experiences such as inspirations and dreams as well as by attracting events in the seemingly outer world so as to coagulate itself in embodied form. And as it is nonlocal it is not bound by conventional space and time. It generates a multidimensional paradigm that is possibly the instance of a causeless deeper realization.
This is very close to the true, the mirror images of the inner and the outer are indeed a key factor and the link between the implicae and explicate order.
This can never be explained by neuroscience and quantum physics only. The function of inspiration and insight has to be taken into account. How ideas maniifest and link themselves.
I think that further studies of componists, painters and writers will shed light on it, if not it will be a total gap and then we will have different kinds of humans; robots and prophets and a third order that makes the robots and a fourth that brings spiritual emancipation.
Ultimataly it goes back to what good is and bad.
The Key word is inspiration that comes from the resonance of the space time with another and possibly it originates from the perception of the inner soul. No one knows why but it happens and the individual could realize her/his existence.
That is all possible but the soul is not understood, is not even accepted as a word. So other words have to be used which can cover the soul as an archetype.
Spacetime as an information field with certain probabilistic events which have the potentiality to become explicate if certain inhibitors are gone.
Soul :
the spiritual part of a person that is believed to give life to the body and in many religions is believed to live forever
: a person's deeply felt moral and emotional nature
: the ability of a person to feel kindness and sympathy for others, to appreciate beauty and art, etc.
Merriam Webster online
Soul
Written by The Editors of Encyclopædia Britannica
Last Updated1-16-2014
soul, in religion and philosophy, the immaterial aspect or essence of a human being, that which confers individuality and humanity, often considered to be synonymous with the mind or the self. In theology, the soul is further defined as that part of the individual which partakes of divinity and often is considered to survive the death of the body.
Many cultures have recognized some incorporeal principle of human life or existence corresponding to the soul, and many have attributed souls to all living things. There is evidence even among prehistoric peoples of a belief in an aspect distinct from the body and residing in it. Despite widespread and longstanding belief in the existence of a soul, however, different religions and philosophers have developed a variety of theories as to its nature, its relationship to the body, and its origin and mortality.
Among ancient peoples, both the Egyptians and the Chinese conceived of a dual soul. The Egyptian ka (breath) survived death but remained near the body, while the spiritual ba proceeded to the region of the dead. The Chinese distinguished between a lower, sensitive soul, which disappears with death, and a rational principle, the hun, ... (200 of 866 words)
Soul is close to religion, here we are in the region of science. for the moment there is not a real bridge.
It is possible that we travel with the soul from one spacetime to the other. Empathy can be the fusion of 2 spacetime.
When spacetime is related to consciousness we can speak of synchronicity. Synchronicity is the observation or the collapse of the wavefunction if we can develop an idea on the quantum biological level.
Many times it happened to me, when I had a special appointment that without looking at the watch I came just in time. A few days ago, I started to prepare myself after noon to meet someone at the film studio of KASK at 3 p.m. It was half an hour driving, a lot of traffic, I stopped in Afkikker, went at foot, through a very long corridor. When I stepped in I looked at the clock it was exactly 1 min after 3 this means that I entered just in time.
As this is not the first time, I should say that this is only possible if the consciousness has made connection with the spactime in which the body moves.
As birds are using the quantum method to find their way, why should the humans lost this quality of the quantum jumps.
Rita,
I was thinking about this question few hours back and found notification about your answer just now. Is it Synchronicity ?
Yes because you see the collapse of the wave function was the moment of the notification. It's a way to look at the things, this is a simple one, just 2 elements, the more elements are coming in the more it gets a higher value. So the meaning is coming in, that is what was forgotten.
When I showed my first synchronicity at Lacy, he answered me 'Oh I have hundreds of that', that moment I knew that I had found his secret. So it must be always a discovery, a new thing, when you think too much at it, it is not real.
That the way scientific thought could never reach it because the rules are different but with the quantum biology, the field is open.
Synchronicity and quantum biology are one, superposition,, tunneling, wave-particle duality, quantum entanglement, magnetoreception.
Only experience can give the prove, and that was never accepted, Pauli was afraid to speak to physicists about his synchronicity although he knew that this was the way, he studied the Latin texts of the alchemists to find out about archetypes.
I see the word autopoiesis also as a key element, nature forms continual new elements, so also an oeuvre of a scientist or artist is taking form depending on the consciousness of the person. Thoughts are creating molecules and in that biological process there is a spacetime element, that production of molecules, proteins, neurotransmitters have a rhythm and that rhythm has an abstract and a concrete side. And not everybody can find the key for that. Lacy wrote on his cd ‘this is not for everybody’. So projections are very important too.
And so on.
I quote from your answer " Only experience can give the prove, and that was never accepted, .." Possibly the following song elaborates the idea.
O boundless, within bounds, you play your own tunes –
Hence, your light within me is so mellow.
In so many colours, fragrances, songs and metres
O formless, the play of your forms manifests within.
Hence, your beauty within me is so enchanting.
When you and I meet, everything opens up,
And the waves of the oceans of the world surge and dance.
There is no shadow in your light which finds its form in me,
It becomes beautiful and bewildered with my tears,
Hence, your beauty within me is so enchanting.
Original in Bengali by Rabindranath Tagore
Translated by Shailesh Parekh
And if we can turn the wheel to the field of experience then the world would get another face.
I think that even the name of Rabindranath Tagore, injects the poetry.
As long as the poetry of Bengali stays alive we are safe.
A beautiful quote but I do not remember the source.
"There are only two symptoms of enlightenment, just two indications that a transformation is taking place within you toward a higher consciousness. The first symptom is that you stop worrying. Things don't bother you anymore. You become light-hearted and full of joy. The second symptom is that you encounter more and more meaningful coincidences in your life, more and more synchronicities. And this accelerates to the point where you actually experience the miraculous".
Yes I like miracles, my father left me some riddles I never can solve.
He left me several postcards of people I know, addressed to their home. He didn't visit them or very rare. It is strange to see that I inherited synchronicity. He never spoke about it but the moment he died I have seen it in a vision. He was observing me and I was not conscious about it. That wave function collapsed only recently when I decided to make the movie about his staying in France during the war. This research brought me the prove that he and the author Johan Daisne were staying together at Limoux. It was by the art of Daisne which I could perceive that the story of my father appeared.
So entering a new spacetime gives a new view. In another question I've put the relationship between the synchronous firing of the neurons and the synchronicity. That's why spacetime has to be connected with consciousness; the firing of the neurons brings the consciousness via the selective working of ion gates. I think that this is a beautiful story.
Can we have control on synchronicity? Possibly we can. When we enter into a state of deep concentration we can achieve a full command on our realization and that will lead us to experience simultaneous happenings which at present appears to be miraculous. May be then the concept of space time would collapse.
Here is the difficulty, there is a reason why Lacy to me never mentioned it and my father also said no word about it.
The son of Daisne prof. Thiery told me 'Le non-dit c'est le plus fort' translated: what we don’t say is the most powerful. Speaking is the collapse of the magic. But I think now we have to do it because the time has come. We need science and the religion because of the believe in the good end. Art is just a tool to reach it, some artificial machine who can bring the consciousness on a higher scale. But it works only if the passion is present. And this is not even true, any way we never can force it.
So control? no I don't think so, because magic disappears when control comes in, that's why after the concert musicians are just normal people. It works the best between the conscious and the unconscious, on the edges. The future couldn't be too much prepared. There must be always room for improvisation. That's why my Afkikker worked so good with the music of Lacy, I was prepared for something great but I didn't know him, so it was a whole surprise.
If the consciousness could be related to the spacetime then we can let the CST fluctuate in the electromagnetic field which can influence the ion-gates....because the neurons have to fire synchronously. It is also possible that CST is the electromagnetic field as once we felt a wind between us. May be in old texts there is also spoken about a wind.
We need a state that conscious and unconscious binds, the collective unconsciousness must exist also somewhere in the East.
If it is science then there should not be any magic in it. By self reliance and meditation one can elevate the mental setup to the desired level and possibly then one will be able to control. The good musician will deterministically produce something that will appear magical to us. To us it will be magic but it is science to them who can do it.
I could not follow your answer. I quote " I understand your answer, but I'm not agree, That's why there are so many wars in the world". Do you mean that because you do not agree to my views "that's why" there are so many wars in the world? It is really confusing. I think we are trying to give trivial scientific explanation using some jargons for an extremely difficult physical happening. And I reiterate that if some thing is science then there can not be any “MAGIC” in it.
Before art with its magic was incorporated by science, as literature and music were studied and analysed and presented in a frame of theory. It is possible that this incorporation is not working anymore and that the art with all its magic is going to incorporate the weirdness of science. I just follow the thought where it is going as I am following the music. Because in my head they fuse together.
I changed my answer, I just wanted to say that the understanding of each other theory is not so easy, but we must try, otherwise we end up in isolation which has an negative impact on our happiness and peace in general.
Music is nothing but combination of different notes. If you analyze a portion of an extremely good musical performance you may find different frequency components. In science there are different methods for such analysis that may be broadly classified into two categories viz., (i) frequency domain and (ii) time domain. One can also find the temporal variation of frequencies for the entire music. I take the example of North Indian Classical music because I have some knowledge. People have formulated the grammatical rules that help to generate as well as recognize the different compositions as different Ragas. Therefore scientifically it is possible to generate a composition in a particular Raga by any person interested in music. However we find that performance of a particular musician is the best, though we may not find any valid analytical data to justify our appreciation. When you read poetry and find it beautiful you may not validate your feeling by so called scientific tools. I think if you can do it the whole sense of admiration will disappear. Some thing unknown is necessary for these feelings. We know feelings are brain activities, activities of neurons. Also we know that these activities contain electrical signals. Therefore association of “SOME ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES” with such activity is no surprise. But my question is does this give any new information that helps to understand our feelings of appreciation?
One may argue that as a part of scientific research such activity is necessary. But then the effort should be properly oriented. It is a very complicated domain and therefore oversimplification should always be avoided.
"Thou hast made me endless, such is thy pleasure. This frail vessel thou emptiest again and again,
and fillest it ever with fresh life.
This little flute of a reed thou hast carried over hills and dales, and hast breathed through
it melodies eternally new.
At the immortal touch of thy hands my little heart loses its limits in joy and gives
birth to utterance ineffable.
Thy infinite gifts come to me only on these very small hands of mine. Ages pass, and still thou pourest,
and still there is room to fill".
You can listen to this song from you tube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZLR82DfD4
"The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched - they must be felt with the heart."
Helen Keller
God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world.
Paul Dirac
We need to learn beautiful mathematics before we can analyze the reason for its beauty.
But was the question not about spacetime, what did Dirac telling about it.
Spacetime can never be a copy of someone else, it must always be original.
As I once wrote:
Leaves of Time are falling
Converging in the point of NowHere
That point of nowhere can't be seen or touched, so it must be beautiful
Intermezzo:
I just want to mention here that we have 708 views, 7 followers and 71 answers.
That is very special as there is 3 times 7 and 71 x 10 is nearly 708.
I already observed that the answers x 10 is often the number of the views.
Before I answered it was even more beautiful 70 7 70 is that not the max.
You remember once I quoted from Rabindranath Tagore that
“With the colour of my own consciousness
The emerald became green, the ruby became red.
I opened my eyes at the sky,
And there was light
In the east, in the west.
I looked at the rose and said,`Beautiful!'
Beautiful it became.”
Space and time are there because we want them to exist. They are beautiful because we want them to be so.
All hatred will disappear!
Synchronicity is always unique, when you look for it, it never happens. It is always a surprise, it never repeats itself. It is creative.
Here II have found a diagram of Pauli, it's a cross:
up: indestructible energy
down: spacetime continuum
right: inconstant connection through contingency i.e. equivalence (synchronicity)
left: constant connection through effect (causality)
And Pauli has thought very deep about it.
"Synchronicity is always unique, when you look for it, it never happens. It is always a surprise, it never repeats itself. It is creative."
Exactly so
And so we have found a part of the answer; unique, surprise, creative.
Spacetime gives us the freedom to travel in the mind. So the mind is the carrier of spacetime. If the mind can reach the source of the collective unconscious she can bring different spactime together.
770 views and 7 followers is not bad at all.
Spacetime is what the cell does, namely everything at the right time and place.
At the right time and place is also what the intuition does.
Intuition means captured into a synchronic system that dominates spacetime.
If we split time apart from space then there is a schizophrenic reality, a dissociation of the body and the spirit.
Yes that's how they are explaining it, but the word exists and can also be interpreted as the space of time and the time of space. It can be used to explain synchronicity because a coincidence is something that connects time with space and that is reality. But synchronicity is not cleared out in physics although Pauli was searching an explanation for it together with Jung.
Nowadays all that research is nearly forgotten. So we must go back to psychology to see what happens there.
It seems all logic, time also is not so important when it even can't be measured on the smallest level and what kind of meaning time can have for a particle, it disappears quicker as it is created.
It would be possible to bring most of my questions under the same denominator: as synchronicity, space-time, non-locality, brainwave, pre-action or inchoativ reflex, eros.
According to Penrose the ‘objective reduction’ or ‘collapse of the wave-function’ takes place due to different space-time geometries of each state in the superposition of a particle. The curvature of space-time will differ according to when the mass of the particle is more likely to be. Once the difference in geometries builds up to a critical level, as when the particle get entangled with its environment, the superposition becomes unstable and collapse into just one of the possible states. Jim Al-Khalili adds that nobody knows the details about it as there is no theory which supports it.
Penrose suggests how consciousness might get switched on within the brain by quantum mechanics because the way we think is fundamentally unlike the way a computer carries out algorithmic processes. But in the microtubules I don't believe.
The connection between this quantum brain and the space-time seems favorable. As 2 or a group of persons by brainwave-resonance get entangled in the same space-time, synchronicity may happen, (as my color-telepathy), pre-feeling, non-local connections, coherence of thought and action. But as soon that we realize it, this resonance disappear and we come back on earth as different persons. By extern environmental factors or inward thinking, de-coherence takes place and the entanglement is over. This may happen only in very special situations, mostly when eros is involved and within spiritual events.