Quality is associated with both Engineering and Management,
but which has leading role Engineering or Management?
it depends on the problem to be solved. Is it more a question of organisation or marketing mostly the share of management dominates. Is it more an item of developement, production or technical driven solution , engineering tends to dominate.
I always like to look at challanges in a holistic way. You may say technical or environmental driven problem solutions are engineering driven while economic and social problem solutions are often management driven.
Peter
Engineers Frederick Taylor (English) and Henry Fayol (French) are the first to establish the foundations of the science of management, so engineering is the first and is always leading in this field.
it depends on the problem to be solved. Is it more a question of organisation or marketing mostly the share of management dominates. Is it more an item of developement, production or technical driven solution , engineering tends to dominate.
I always like to look at challanges in a holistic way. You may say technical or environmental driven problem solutions are engineering driven while economic and social problem solutions are often management driven.
Peter
I think engineering is the base which has leading the Management.
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Engineering is the first building block for the science of management.
Engineering must stand on an equal footing with management but embraces the customer's point of view.
Quality Assurance and Quality Control are solely the work of the Engineer
Quality is dependent on both engineering and management. In order to ensure the quality assurance of a product management comes first. If the product is of poor quality the business can lose customers since customers provide the income.
Quality is dependent on both engineering and management. But, the pure and brutal economy has an enormous influence here, the accountant cuts costs and the quality must fall.
Both, Engineering and Management, are important and leading role. Quality must be all prevasive --- touching every aspect of Engineering, Management, and Science.
The ultimate aim is to attain the quality, and all the roles that contribute to it are important.
The aim of quality could not be achieved till the time, all the departments and all the people in the organization are not committed to achieve the goal of quality. So its not only the responsibility of the management or not only the the Quality Assurance department is responsible to ensure quality, rather every body in organization starting from CEO till worker should be involved and should be committed to ensure quality.
Quality is required in all activities of Engineering and Management all the time. Depending on the time period, it is perceived differently. For example, during 1970-90, quality and the associated standards were used extensively and hyped to an large extent. Similarly, management in broader sense encompasses engineering, though some may argue that engineering needs management (mind you some of the engineers are pioneer management experts). However, as we are aware no single standard whether ISO 9000, 55000 or others can find a total solutions, as any area of production and operation are multi-disciplinary etc........
The design of a management system process is mainly based on the use of methodologies from Systems Engineering.
Thus, to develop a quality strategy is to design quality management systems based on the good practices of quality engineering.
Management is the key root of any organization, Engineering may play part in the production unit & to carry out their program as per the planned approach of the management which may help to fulfill the target of the production which may be the function of Engineering .
Engineers deal thru the production range for the fulfilling the requirement of the organization where management with the professional manner may fulfill the achievement of organization .
This is my personal opinion
Dear Colleagues: related to my previous answer, the question is about quality, and it has been identified by two elements, namely, engineering and management specializations, who have priority in this, I think the answer is clear is the engineering specialization.
The idea of quality management as it is understood today can be largely credited to Joseph Juan and Edwards Deming who were both engineers by trade. Contemporary approaches to manage quality in various industrial sectors are generally managed by the technical expertise governing that sector e.g. hospitals have medical practitioners as QMs, pharmaceutical companies have people with pharmaceutical qualifications as QMs. And of course the management if quality will depend on the type of management system being used e.g. ISO/IEC 9001: 2015. So that explains the answer as to who managers quality. To which discipline it falls under, I do believe that most formal qualifications whether at certificate or diploma level will fall under the management sciences schools or faculty, this has been my experience studying in South Africa and Germany. But it of course will depend on the institution one is studying at. A typical course will cover concepts like SPCs largely focusing on the work of Juran e.g. Juran triology. But the work of the most well-known “quality philosophers” such as Demings, Juran, Philip Crosby are also thought. Other modules taught may include auditing practice e.g. ISO/IEC 19011.
both play critical role but in quality issue i think management is leading
In this position, you’re responsible for overseeing engineering projects of all kinds. You handle deadlines, budgets, and various other managerial tasks. Leading your team or teams is your other great responsibility. Seasoned and novice Engineers alike turn to you for direction, advice, and support as they tackle the challenges that lay before them. You draw on your knowledge and experience, as well as your big-picture view, to help guide them. Being a Principal Engineer is like being an experienced mountain climber: you’ve made it far up the hill, but you’re still climbing with the team. Your mountain? The research, development, design, and experimentation projects assigned to you by your company. Principal Engineers live in a world partway between the hard science of engineering and the delicate art of management and leadership. You need great communications skills to interact with your superiors and subordinates. You are the conduit through which direction and feedback flow. The wellbeing of your team and the greater goals of the company are both balanced on your shoulders. Don’t be surprised if you end up taking some work home with you at times. It’s all part of having an intense leadership role like this. The sense of accomplishment you derive from leading your teams to another successful engineering breakthrough fills you with a satisfaction that is worth more than money.
Engineering Management is a specialized form of management that is required to successfully lead engineering or technical personnel and projects. Engineering Management allows you to obtain an understanding of how an engineering organisation is managed internally and operates from a corporate perspective.
In my opinion, quality largely depends on management. This is why almost all quality allied systems have top management commitment as the core of ensuring successful implementation of quality systems, be it in a factory that has a product as an output, or any other unit with a service as an output. Engineering is effected (In terms of quality) by a committed management system. If hardware breaks down, it is solved by a management decision. If management falls apart, quality is sure to be compromised, despite having well running, world class equipment with highly qualified personnel. So in my view, management has a bigger role over quality output.
Dear Rai,
the activities and processes related to quality has both managerial and engineering nature. ISO 9000 defines quality as a „set of inherent characteristic of an object fulfils requirements“. Object can be product, service, process, person, organization, system or resource.
When determining role of Engineering or Management in quality, you should take into account type of this object. If process is the object of quality, Engineering role prevails. If person is the object, Management role prevails.
An interesting view about interconnection of management and engineering activities in product quality is provided by Quality loop. In the left part of quality loop (customer view) a management approaches are dominant. In the left part of quality loop (organisation vies) engineering approaches are dominant.
Talking about quality you must consider requirements. Requirements are everywhere – in each type of object (product, service, process...).
Managerial approach works mainly with vague and sometimes hard measurable requirements which are stated or expected by customer (see Voice of Customer – VoC). On the other hand, Engineering approach is mainly based on strict and easy measurable requirements (see Voice of Engineers – VoE).
This is the current way how I understand quality.
Kind Regards.
Peter
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