Do you accept that the supervisor be add as an a co-author with Masters or PhD. D student in his paper without have any role to play?
دورفي هذا البحث؟ هل تقبل أن يوضع المشرف كباحث مشارك على بحث منشور لطالب ماجستيرأو دكتوراه، دون أن يكون له أدنى
In a normal and academic
The master/PhD student discussed what he/she was doing with him/her at some point and usually:
to get him/her to a point where they can do independent research. Adding the supervisor name to the paper is an acknowledgement of that.
But your sound and claim as he has nothing to do , it is not fair but in many universities such as mine it is obligation unless it is proven in research session by deans and research committee .
Sure the supervisor has a great role in the research by his guidance and advice althrough the research . So sure it is okay to add him .
I wonder how the supervisor has no role in her/ his student project.
I believe that the leader should not be included in student articles as a co-author, even if he participated in the writing of the text.
The supervisor assists the student throughout the period of writing his master's thesis or doctoral thesis.
So I think it can be added
Greetings
The supervisor has very important role throughout all the steps of the project ( thesis)
Yes, the supervisor has a great role in the research by his guidance and advice
If the supervisor has a significant contribution to the paper in anyway, I believe that his name should be there.
بالتاكيد لا اقبل ولا احد غيري سوف يقبل والمشرف الذي يتصرف بهذا الاسلوب مع طلابه لا يستحق ان يسمى مشرفا هذه سرقة لجهد باحث ونسبها لباحث اخر.
The issue is relative and solidarity, in the sense of the larger role of the student, which is his effort and active, as well as the guidance of the supervisor is important and put the student on the right track, both have an important role in the maturity of work.
الجواب يعتمد على البحث فإذا كان البحث مستل من اطروحة ماجستير او دكتوراه فبالتأكيد نعم اوافق لان المشرف اكيد هو صاحب او مشارك في فكرة الرسالة وله دور كبير في المتابعة واسداء النصائح.
The supervisor have a role in the research, he organized your study and help you in the writing and the work as whole, so it is okay to put his name as I think
A research student is incomplete without a supervisor. A supervisor has always a mojor role in a Master, M.Phil and PhD level studies. If s/he has no role, s/he can't be called a supervisor. Therefore it is mandatory to write his/her name.
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My dear colleagues
Very thank you
The publish paper differ from the thesis, it is not under the supervision.
Thus from my point of view if supervisor accept this, he is violate all ethics.
Regards
Boshra
The question is very complicated. Supervisors do not always fulfill their duties to the fullest, but students mostly cannot assess the situation adequately. In any case, the formulation of the topic and the statement of the problem is the task of the supervisor and this alone is a sufficient contribution to the work. But I saw situations when a student was offered a completely "dead" topic, which he was forced to "pull out" with heroic efforts. I even know of cases of a change in topic (and in Russian universities, the topic of a thesis or dissertation is approved by the department). In the course of work, many students believe that the head does not deal with them, invests little in their work, does not help in solving difficult problems, etc. But very often the leader, realizing that the work is being done correctly, simply observes from the outside, without interfering, since everything is so good. Absence of mickromanagement is not fact of ignoring! In the upshot, the student’s work is his own study, acquisition of skills, verification of his knowledge at the university, and not the task for the leader, he has already proved everything and he has his own, usually more complex tasks.
Another thing is co-authorship in publications based on the results of a master thesis or dissertation. It already depends a lot on the personality of the leader. For example, I never participate in the publication of theses for the so-called "youth conferences". Firstly, I am not so young to participate in such a conference. Secondly - such a publication is, in my opinion, a demonstration of the capabilities of a young person, not an old uncle, about whom everyone already knows everything. As for serious publications, these, as a rule, do not pass without the significant participation of the leader, why should he give his work? In rare cases when he are dealing with a young genius, supervisor can make a small gift, but this is rather the exception.
As there is a supervisor , so he has the right to be added to as co-author .
Simply , because he helped the student in every single word in the research since choosing the title and untill the finish of the research .
you assumed from the beginning that the supervisor had no role in the research , so supervise what ?
the supervisor guide the student in each steps of research so he have the complete write to be researcher same as the student.
The real problem leads to a duality . There are so many talented research supervisors but they are seeking student since they can't offer any kind of fellowship for this purpose but there are some idle research supervisor , busy in administrative position are facing a big que of students due to his high hold both w.r.t to fellowship and as well as getting Ph.D degree .
Now the decision is to be taken by the research student that how much he can
compromise between TALENT vs FELLOWSHIP.
In a normal and academic
The master/PhD student discussed what he/she was doing with him/her at some point and usually:
to get him/her to a point where they can do independent research. Adding the supervisor name to the paper is an acknowledgement of that.
But your sound and claim as he has nothing to do , it is not fair but in many universities such as mine it is obligation unless it is proven in research session by deans and research committee .
When he/ she trust you a project, it means that he/she believes that you can carry it out. So becames an author in advance too.
I continue to insist that in most cases, the participation of a supervisor in the publication of student work is not consistent with supervisor level (if it present, of course ...), in some cases, even shameful for him (The school teachers do not sign the compositions of schoolchildren sent to any competition. Or are they already signing?). An exception are cases when a student is strong enough and together (namely jointly) they did quite a respectable work.
Yes supervisor should be an idol of his students by contributing in every work with his name on.
Dear Dr.
Yes, supervisor one of co- author with Msc. Or Ph.D student in every case.
Best regards
Of course not, because this represents theft of the efforts of others, although many supervisors do it.
للمشرف دور كبير وأساسي في إدارة دراسة رسالة الماجستير أو أطروحة الدكتوراه، وبصماته العلمية واضحة في عمل الباحث وتوجيهه في دراسته
It depends on the situation. If the student has not used the supervisor’s resource and advises, why the supervisor should be listed as co-author!?
Student also is supposed to work on other projects only after working hours.
I am fully agree with Leili Abkar
and Mohammad Tavakkoli Yaraki as well. But, there is no scholar without supervision in the early stages.
I guess he should write because he was appointed as supervisor
YA estoy muy convencido que el revisor o editor no debe estar como coautor pero si reconocer su esfuerzo y ayuda. Respetuosamente. Rodolfo
I RIGHT NOW am very convinced than the inspector or the editor must not be like coauthor but if recognizing his effort and help. Respectfully. Rodolfo
Полагаю, что соавторство с учениками возможно лишь при значительном вкладе научного руководителя в качестве соисполнителя исследования. В противном случае - это растление учеников.
I agree with Hameedah Al-A'arajy . But there is no paper without the contributions of the supervisor.
Even it is in Russian I fully agree with Pavel Kabanov .
How does the supervisor not have a role? In our college, the role of the supervisor starts from selecting the subject of the master's thesis and guiding the student in the research plan......... ending with writing his paper.
As Asmaa Mahdi Al-Hashimi has indicated, also in my university the figure of the supervisor is key for a student to develop the final master's work or his doctoral thesis. The supervisor is present from the beginning, it is the one that proposes the subject under study, the one that designs a strategy, the one that provides the basic and specific bibliography on the subject, the one that solves the doubts that can be presented to the student, the one who it reviews the developments that are being carried out and, in the end, it is the one that supports the scientific work carried out. For all these reasons, I believe that the supervisor should appear as co-author of any publication that may arise from that work.
supervisor should has effort in student dissertation , injustice add his name without his effort .
How did he not play a role, while characterizing him as a supervisor of the research study?
Students/researchers may like or dislike the way they are treated by their advisors, but they have to include the advisors in publications. It is the dirty truth of academia. I wish it were the only dirty truth of academia. There are many unknowledgeable/businessperson professors who are just operating their businesses. We cannot change the situation, but we can be a fair advisor.
I don't accept, the one who add his/her name should add value First!!!
لَا تَحْسَبَنَّ الَّذِينَ يَفْرَحُونَ بِمَا أَتَوا وَّيُحِبُّونَ أَن يُحْمَدُوا بِمَا لَمْ يَفْعَلُوا فَلَا تَحْسَبَنَّهُم بِمَفَازَةٍ مِّنَ الْعَذَابِ ۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ (188)
Agree, Without supervision of the supervisor, no one can complete degree.
Dear Behrooz,
For me, take it or leave it we should accept the significant role of supervisors in accepting papers even if they don’t have any contribution. Indeed, some journals don’t consider the importance of a research as the first item, and unfortunately the name of the co-authors, their background as well as affiliation is very important for them. That’s why the name of the supervisor may help the students to accept their works (in many cases).
Best,
Your question is contradictory. How can be a supervisor with out having any role?
Руководитель выступает в роли организатора исследования, консультанта, но не соисполнителя. В публикации распределяются роли между соисполнителями, а организатору и иным содействующим исследованию лицам, выражается (указывается) благодарность.
If the supervisor has a role in guidance and supervision without participating in the effort to complete the research I accept to put his name.
If the paper emanated from the degree thesis, it is very, very wrong to leave him out. In fact, some of them are only much interested as the corresponding author regardless of the order/position in the arrangement of the authors. My question is, who supervised the work, why is his/her input not counting and thus referred to as no-contribution?. Else, I guess you are referring to a paper of diff research which h never took part.
The supervisor plays an important role in supervising a master's or doctoral thesis. Writing the name of the supervisor in the research is a scientific and honorary feature that the supervisor certainly deserves
Even if the supervisor's effort was great, and many of the original ideas in the thesis were in fact stimulated directly by him, his contribution to the thesis should only be acknowledged as that of a supervisor. however I think that any published article based on the results of that thesis is another matter.
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