Dear Thomas Heise,

İ found interesting article and sent link.

http://www.uic.edu/classes/bios/bios100/lecturesf04am/lect22.htm

Best regards, Shafagat

No! This is an educated guess

Example for discussion:

How do you think that the astral body interacts with the physical (called biological?) body of an individual and their environments? 

Thanks for adding this additional specific Part to my question, Marcel!

Dear Thomas Heise,

İ found interesting article and sent link.

http://www.uic.edu/classes/bios/bios100/lecturesf04am/lect22.htm

Best regards, Shafagat

No! This is an engineering answer!

If we throw a tomato or an apple or a Piece of vegetable  into a lake the structure of water beeing observed by microscop after drying a droplet are always different. If we analyse and compare the strcture of body water from the eyes  f.e.of a Person in a happy and in a sad mood we find dirfferent structures and so on.

We have no explanation. And it is scientifically proofed.

Dear Shafagat, thanks for your link, which is leading to what i said. Is there something besides what you and i pointed out?

Dear Peter this is extremely interesting to me. Could you give me the link to the papers where it was published? Would be great to follow these scientifcal proofs.

And dear Marcel, could you also give me some scinetifical literature about the astral body you are thinking of?

dear Thomas,

my colleague Prof. Kröner did some private Research with about 3 PhD candidates on water structures. He is an excellent engineer but he was not liked among our colleagues for his strange "pseudo research" as they called it. I had many discussions with him and it was absolutely impressive. I will look for publications and bring it to public here.

Best regards Peter

Dear Thomas, His Name is Bernd-Helmut Kröplin. One of his publications on this subject is the boiok

World in a drop

GutesBuchVerlag und CIMNE

ISBN: 84-95999-82-X

hope this will help.

Best regards

Peter

source of protein to sustain the metabolism of the stored spores, etc.

Google (scholar): astral body as key word (Buddhism, R. Steiner, ....) 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_body

May be we have, may be not. We probably will never know if we ever got to that point. There are so many options. The eyes need to be trained in order to see it all. The more we learn more systems will be found. Some already ahead of us.

I think there must be a substantial difference between personal experiences and those accessible to scientists? I frequently perceive energy fields around different parts of my biological body, depending on the social situation. Accessible to medical research? 

Dear Wolfgang/All,

I went to a Steiner school for 6 years, before I went to university (1973-1978). I started to read books from Steiner this year and noticed matches with what he wrote about physically perceived spiritual experiences (e.g. lucid dream, etc...) I started to have 10 years ago when I was 45 years old. I did'n ask for it. It just came!

Example:

Yesterday I talked with three collegues that wished to talk about the recruitment of a scientist  to work in Africa. When I gave my opinion to support them, I felt an energy field around my legs. The spontenous experience was in the office, but difficult to obtain in standardized tests, I assume 

Cheers

Dear Marcel, Wolfgang and all, this is in accordance to my experience.

Subjectively you can get a lot of "strange" experiences during lifetime, which you can prove by yourself easily and then you already know sth.

E.g. the closer i am emotionally to someone, the more i can "read his/her mind" when they are here or not under the condition they allow it. Long ago, when my ex-girlfriend decided finally it´s finished it didn´t work anymore.

But how do all these things work? Do they possess similar principles? Do we have to change our scientific paradigme and integrate hitherto unknown fields in order to become more scientific? - By the way: to refuse or to ridicule special fields of research is not a scientific attitude.

And is there some kind of theoretical or practical research going on?

Extrasensory perception used to be approached as an Extrasensory perception used to be approached as an academic topic. There was in particular a researcher named J.B. Rhine (if memory serves) who ran an ESP lab at Duke University. I don't know how his research panned out. It seemed to be very difficult to distinguish a person's abilities score from chance at that time.

When I was a child, the neighborhood kids played together most of the time when we had no homework or chores. One of my favorite games was "read my mind". At this time there were quite a few books and dramas dedicated to the supernatural, and this interested us greatly. It seemed to me that sometimes the answer to the question "what am i thinking of" burst into my mind suddenly and often that answer was what the other person claimed to be the true answer. I don't know if we understand what our minds are capable of doing - it is so hard to quantify how much information is transmitted.

R. Steiner: traduction de 2004 (La science de l'occulte/Die Geheimwissenschaft im Umriss)

Why do people close their eyes to these aspects? Are they afraid?

Why are scientists/people not consciously aware of this, despite how many years of (Darwinian/spiritual) evolution?

In other words, why is communication efficiency hampered or much spiritual-based communication hidden to complicate life?

Hi Manuel, can you guess what i'm thinking about your answer?  (happy or sad)

I'm thinking very hard.  Hint: I upvoted your answer.

Miguel!  You did it! 

I have had various examples of what may be ESP.  The most disturbing was one day when I was in college and studying in the room where the students can smoke, play cards, etc.  One day a boy came in to wait for his date.  He picked up a pack of cards out of my sight and said what card am I looking at?  the 2 of diamonds card came into my thought and I could see its image in my head.  It was as if I knew the answer was right.  And it was.  There was no way I could have known the card.  But the clarity of the answer told me before I answered that it was true.  I suspect many people have this kind of anecdotal evidence.  I don't know why sometimes you see the answer as if it were in front of your eyes, but when you do you feel as if you are sure.  I have no idea of how to design  an experiment for this.  I test average for all the circle-square logo card tests.  But still I feel I've had intermittent glimpses. 

How would a communication system be perceived when there were no winners and losers? Just participating for fun? Do the brains or other biological communication systems follow the principles of winning versus loosing? 

Dear Wolfgang,

No hypothesis. Just, imagine if.... If you have to choose between decision A versus decision B, and you choose decision A, is decision B loosing or decision A winning? There is always the short-term consequence of a decision versus the long-term consequence of the same decision. Are the short-term versus long-term consequences similar/the same from a loosing versus winning point of view?

How can individual brain neurons taking decisions to transmit information in a given direction (e.g. to neighbouring neuron A, not neighbouring neuron B) take long-term consequences of such a decision into account? Is the biological brain programmed to take short-term decisions just following the electric flow guided by the biological neuron cluster network? Are 'spiritual' forces involved in the programmation of these communication networks?   

Does anybody know about the ESP etc. research in the easteuropean countries? In th 1970ies Ostrander & Schroeder published a book about its state of art, but i have no idea about the follow up of those projects which often have not been published officially.

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