In this world, consciousness is a physical function of the brain. The self (according to ancient Hebrew thought) is made up of nefesh (lower brain impulses, tied to the animal body), ruach ( eternal spirit, wisdom-oriented) and neshamah (higher brain impulses, knowledge-oriented). Ruach is essential to self-development, up to the point that neshamah governs nefesh, i.e. the eternal soul takes control over the animal body. We have to apply the physical resources on earth with time-tested wisdom to realize self-consciousness for eternity which is now.

Tks, Stephen, for your interventions. Can this theory find an assertion fittable to multi-personality/Self co-existence in the same body/mind? I am wondering if, for an individual with multiple personalities/Self, Consciousness can be described as One, or as multiple?

What do you think of that?

@Jordi: my point exactly. Consciousness is not [only] about social/ environmental presence/activity. People in long-term meditation are more Self-aware then most people social conscious/present. That is probably the main point of bioethics against euthanasy. So, you have got the point precisely and help with your remarks. Welcome to Dialogo project - maybe to the conference as well if you have some time to write your point of view in this regard.

PS: I would like to ask more, returning to the original Q here: It would be an improvement of our Selfs if we can get rid of the [moral] consciousness, i.e. train to lose it, to become conscienceless?

Consciousness should be regared as 1 (one) physical function of the human brain, say it is primarily an emotional tool of perception, dear Cosmin. The creative power of the soul to experience the eternal upper force is derived from selflessness. We can speak of physical levels (brain impulses) of consciousness, from the bottom ( animal body) to the top ( eternal soul).  The 'guilt-culture-psychology' looses its fearful and suppressive function for the self-development of oneness, once the person realizes and rationalizes her(his) emotional perceptions.

and...? I look forward to reading more about your theory as it develops and links more the psychologism with religious experience. But I can wait until the Dialogo conference starts in May and read all you paper on this topic, right? It is quite captivating and, I might add, very new approach [for me, at least].

If we keep our conscious self, and if we identify ourself with our conscious self, then we can't lose our consciousness. I would say. For the second question, I think that we can lose all our memories, and remain entirely conscious. We might even be more conscious, as the memories tend to hide our "true nature". In fact, neither logic and computer science, nor the salvia divinorum experience have succeed in deciding if consciousness is generated or filtered by the number relations corresponding to universal computations, when assuming computationalism. What we can know, modulo that theory, is that the physical reality is an emergent phenomenal pattern, a dream of numbers, so to speak. Cartesian Mechanism sides more with Pythagorus and Plato (and Plotinus) than with Aristotle's naturalism/physicalism/weak-materialism.

This is a very interesting approach here, Bruno, and it makes me think of another issue I would like to call up - just give me a sec or two to figure it out what is the proper Q for that. It is related to this "our "true nature" " and the best way of describing our conscious Self in related to the true nature of it and of our memories.

Conscious is, in fact, any living individual, regardless of his proving of that for the outside world. On the other hand, there is no need for a Self to PROVE itself for other Selfs to be conscious for it to BE conscious, right? But consciousness... I still think it is another thing, and it does have to be related to a higher configuration of life and judgment. We are always contradicting ourselves in regard to previous acts of judgments, thus to our previous consciousness. Therefore, we never sit too much on the same form of our consciousness.

My big Q from school is: which [stage of] consciousness defines me, considering that I change my mind such easily, rapidly and categorically? ...but this is though another Q I will place it separately - if you don't mind. :)

Well, I just answered this, in the frame of computationalism. Those are diffcult question, and any answer should be taken with a grain of salt. the fact is that there are many form of consciousness. The two main one are the basic low level consciousness, which I tend to attribute to most creature (worms, spider, perhaps even plants and bacteria), and then the reflexive consciousness, where we become aware of our consciousness, and which needs a more powerful introspective ability. I think that the difference is the same as the difference with very elementary universal Turing system, and those I called "Löbian", which are universal system which can prove their own Turing-universality, like Peano Arithmetic, and humans. But since I have made experience with salvia, it looks like it might be the contrary! Löbianity would be, although not an illusion, a sort of filter of a qualitative higher form of consciousness. If that were true (I really don't know), it would mean that the souls of simple creature would be closer to "god" than of higher creature. Heaven would really be for the simple mind. The fall of the soul would be due to having too much introspective power, and indeed, it makes often our life harder, with responsibility and thus some irresponsibility too!

Yes, measure body composition can usually be done in accordance with the needs (so what?). I usually field determines by measuring multiple skin folds using kaliver. Then the data obtained is processed and expressed in%. Usually fat athletes ranged from 5-10% but it's not the athlete will be higher than that. Keep in mind now been sold digital equipment at affordable prices and the results are quite satisfactory.

Of course I tried to answer. But remember my field is actually a sport physiology. Ergonomics only limited research done on how the assembly Tonis net game. Thank you very much.

Dear colleagues, thank you for your interest in having such inquiries asked with multiple answers and very interesting debates. Since most of you had no time in writing a full paper for Dialogo Conference on this topic, Self-Soul-Consciousness, I would like to propose a way of making these answers count more and make them more visible. I could ask the board of Dialogo Journal if we can make a distinct session in the Journal Proceedings of this conference with a group paper encompassing all the answers you have given here for the same Q.

Who is in and agrees with this proposal?

If so, you can use the remainings days until the conference's end, 26 May, to write a larger answer to this Q so that we can integrate it in the Proceedings.