When I finnished my medical course, I was happy, and I thought I knew it all.
Now, I'm happy, because I know with certainty that I don't know much...
(I still hope to learn, some)
Dear Maria! The scientist knows the world, putting forward hypotheses. Hypotheses are often wrong. The scientist has once again convinced of the ignorance of the subject matter. Scientific hypotheses put forward again. This is repeated for life. So, try to learn a subject is a source of creativity. This is not a paradox - it is a reality of life.
Ageing and maturity of scientist is related with getting prominence and expertise in a specialized area of research that is more useful for the next generation researchers.
It helps in maintaining continuity!
I think the most important feature is increasing calmness and inperturbability. To discover that you don´t know everything and to live with this cognition enables a quite easy life.
Dear Maria! The scientist knows the world, putting forward hypotheses. Hypotheses are often wrong. The scientist has once again convinced of the ignorance of the subject matter. Scientific hypotheses put forward again. This is repeated for life. So, try to learn a subject is a source of creativity. This is not a paradox - it is a reality of life.
Dear Maria,
Ageing is an opportunity to get some knowledge and experience. There are a few among us who are blessed to become even wise. Hanno is right, calmness and spiritual balance may associate to maturity.
Dear Maria,
Dear All,
Regarding the feeling of perfect knowledge, I met it after the secondary school-leaving examination (Reifeprüfung). However, I was chanced and recognised at the university that perfect knowledge is an eternal desire which cannot be achieved. I think the peace and balance with ourselves and environment may be more valuable than the impeccable knowledge.
Dear sirs, thank you !!!
(I also thank God for Life.)
There's an old saying in Portugal that «Both women and Port wine grow better with age». I hope this aplies to women scientists too...
And what about aging "SIRS". Are we compared with whiskey or cognac? ;-)
In my opinion starting from childhood the personal selfeducation is directed horizontally- all surrounding him/her, and with aging direction is changed into vertical one - go deeper and deeper in your speciality.
Dear Maria,
It does not related only with ageing or time you spent in research as a scientist it is also associated with how well, how deep and how fast you explore. The deeper you explore, the more you learn and digest, your knowledge sphere gets bigger, Consequently, its surface area, which constitutes the interface between the knowledge domain you have already acquired and outer knowledge space you have not acquired yet, increases. From the center of this sphere you see the other knowledge domains you have not acquired and improve your awareness on them. You also distinguish the deepness and variety of other knowledge domains surrounding yours. Mostly the bigger knowledge sphere you have makes the more unhappy you are, Because intentionally or unintentionally you start to compare what you know and what you do not know, and see how less you know and how much you do not know. And also you discover how short your life to acquire that much knowledge and how slow your learning speed is.
To conclude, I believe that there is no maturity and ageing for individuals in acquiring knowledge. This is a lifelong journey. The only difference along this journey is your relative position among other individuals struggling in the same knowledge domain to go forward. This relative position among others makes you, for example, student or professor, etc.
Regards.
As we age and become more mature
- We become more patient and persistent
- We can observe processes, data, phenomena and events from different angles
Chronological age only imperfectly maps onto maturational, psychological, and social aging processes. It is not necessarily a correlate of time of onset or duration of a particular behavior, and is not the same thing as biological age. Indeed, development needs to be understood as a function of both chronological and biological age, as well as birth cohort and time of measurement. Age thus should not be conceptualized as a causal variable, but rather as a proxy variable for a host of co-occurring, co-varying processes and events that can be more meaningfully used to account for age-related change.
https://www.blackwellpublishing.com/content/BPL_Images/Content_store/Sample_chapter/9780631222613/teti%20001.pdf
I went to a Rudolf Steiner school when I was 12-18 years old. Now I am mentally ready to read his books. Perhaps topics of interest change with age/time?
I would say that WISDOM is the result of ageing and maturity for a scientist dear @Maria.
As we age
- We cover a broad range of different research areas and perhaps we become better problem solvers
- We become expert in a very specialized area of scientific research
- We get more experience in mentoring/advising our grad students
Dear Ljubomir,
I´m not so optimistic about wisdom. It can happen, but very frequently does not. Wisdom is the highest shape cou can find but you can be happy and balanced without beeing wise.
What is wisdom? Please explain in a couple of words? Perhaps silence is wisdom?
Yes dear Marcel,
thats highly complicated. Some times its wisdom to stay silent. Some times staying silent is just a sign for missing know how, engagement an interest. I´m waiting for a definition of some specialists.
Dear Marcel,
I think wisdom is the benignus, durable intelligence without competition, without egoistic objectives.
Dear sirs,on my return back from work,I imensely enjoyed reading you all.Thank you.
Yes. You may be right.Ageing and matiurity might not bring much to scientific research, as wisdom might prevent us from making the mistakes that are fundamental to build the learning process. And daring to take risks is also essencial for the process of thorough research. And an inocent mind, might be more open to broaden horizons, such as a good scientific analysis may need.
Let's be eternal adolescents forever.
I agree with Ufuk Turen's view of the problem.
Yes, dear Marcel, dear Ljubomir: dear András, It may be unwise to aim for scientific wisdom.
PS - dear Hanno. This was my answer to your request on comparing women with wine. Gentlemen don't need maturing with age. They are perfect at any age. ( ! )
With every delta that is added to my experience……the feeling goes stronger.... that I know only an infinitesimal fraction in the subject of my interest....but for engineering something the available knowledge is always sufficient....
So dear Maria,
if your statement about the matured gentlemen is true, my answer is a loud kikeriki, or if you prefer a noisy cook-a-doodle-do! ;-))
Caring - about people, about things, about life - is an act of maturity.
---Tracy McMillan
The benefit of aging is to provide people to clear from less sensible or wonder expressions and by removing ignorance among other things which are not relevant and sensitive to people
http://www.erratum.org/datas/pdf/1_SPIRITS/Watts,%20Alan/Alan%20Watts%20-%20The%20Book%20On%20Taboo%20of%20Knowing%20Who%20You%20Are%20v1.0.pdf
Dear Maria and all, I agree with many opinions. I think aging is good to remove the rashness and foolish pride of childhood and youth. But I learned a lot about aging, a little bit from science, and a lot more from my holy book. The retirement age here is 60, but as soon as I can I will retire and do certain work that I consider important. I'm very inspired by a friendly missionary who served many years on the mission field, returned to UK at 67, and did a PhD...
"Psalm 92:12-15 ESV
The righteous flourish like the palm tree and grow like a cedar in Lebanon. They are planted in the house of the Lord; they flourish in the courts of our God. They still bear fruit in old age; they are ever full of sap and green, to declare that the Lord is upright; he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him."
Everyone has the right to see it his own way. what I observed is that it is sometimes painful to retire as you see that all your research become destroyed and make place for the next generation. To close the door and let everything behind is not easy for everyone. Some professors are really suffering when at the age of 55 are asked how long they still want to stay.
As the retire age can start at the age of 40, not everyone is able to face it. Many are going into art; Vladimir Kaigorodov is now making drawings of the cat of Schrödinger.
Thank you dear Miranda, for your beautiful quote of the Book of Psalms.
Thank you Rita. I might not dislike getting retired while I'm still alert and capable in intelectual terms. Unfortunately, in Portugal, th oficial age of retirement (with full financial benefit starts at the age of 67 for most professions and at the age of 70 for Academic Professors... I can retire earlier for Health reasons, but with great financial loss, in terms of wages...
I am going to be retired in 5 years. I do like it, but maybe I would do some other job then if my daughters do not get job at that time yet.
I do like free time and I know how to spend it. Fishing, reading, gardening...!
And you will certainly keep helping others with your altruistic experienced exchange of knowledge. Top ten.
We'll hope todepend and count on you, for many years, sir !
And you will certainly keep helping others with your altruistic experienced exchange of knowledge. Top ten.
We'll hope to keep depending and counting on you, for many years, sir !
Boomers are the first generation of highly educated, rebellious, controlling individuals who do not embrace the same values and traits as their parents and grandparents. They do not accept ageing gracefully and promise to revolutionize maturity, creating future generations of empowered patients who will demand effective tools to help them live longer and better
http://www.agewave.com/media_maddy/IAP.pdf
Scientists are the true driving force of civilization.
--- James Burke
Dear Subhash! Community scientists understand that teaching - light and ignorance - the darkness. Unfortunately, those people on which the funding of basic research, do not like to be in the light.
The one thing that is certain is change, and in an ever increasingly technology based society where change is rapid, maturity provides the ability to understand the patterns of change, as well as the links between different fields. Maturity is a term that can be used in different ways and maturity does not necessarily imply wisdom, but does imply experience to some degree. The adage that the more you know, the less you know sheds light on personal progression in a field and indicates an open mindedness to the unknown which is necessary for a scientist.
“Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.”
― Mark Z. Danielewski
Dear Maria,
If the consciousness of our ignorance increases continually, will not it have the end effect not to dare to indicate anything?
The perception of own ignorance is an important step to change this status and helps to diminuish you lacking knowledges.
As I grow older, I pay less attention to what men say. I just watch what they do.
--- Andrew Carnegie
I don't mind knowing that Idon't know much. Ifeel richer and more alert to new knowledge. It gives me hope.
Experienced and mature scientist is important for the development of new scientists.
Yes, dear Subhash!
How right you are...Of course that our mission includes teaching and communicating our experience to further generations.
And how pleasurable it is to transmit our devotion and knowledge to the younger generation. This, to me is the utmost satisfaction that ageing and maturity can bring...
Establish an unexpected difference in transitional point and determine the role of development-associated differences / responses engagement.
I may well agree with you both, as I read between your lines, dear friends Subhash and Krishnan...
As I "refuse" to consider myself as old or mature, I prefer to consider as being always on a transitional level. May God permit me to keep teaching and also to keep learning so much from my communication with my students. Because I learn from them, daily, through the necessary commitment and devotion to communication of knowledge, which implies the obvious exchange and great mutual enrichment...
Yes, gaining maturity by work and rich experience in any field is more useful.
If grades don't measure what you name intelligence, what does it measure? Not(e) more than an education environment?
Do grades of the students reflect the intelligence of the teachers?
Dear @Marcel, students grades do not reflect the intelligence of the teachers, nor the intelligence of the students!
Thus people without education can be defined as intelligent? How/Why?
"Dried theory of my friend, and the tree of life is green". This free translation of the poem "Faust" Goethe says about how often change ideas about life, about science, about scientists. But despite that life goes on, regardless of these ideas (though Goethe failed to take into account the environmental consequences of human activities).
Indeed, (the massive river of) life goes on whatever we write or think or propose......
See ...
https://www.google.co.in/search?q=maturity+quotes&biw=1536&bih=764&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCIQsARqFQoTCLuRvZ7w3McCFQEzlAodBj0JYw#imgrc=DNoA5sRdn2xWDM%3A
Is intelligence reflected in how things WILL be changed, but then why waiting for so many years to change things?
“Youth ends when egotism does; maturity begins when one lives for others.”
Hermann Hesse, Gertrude
“Maturity is when your world opens up and you realize that you are not the center of it.”
M.J. Croan
Dear @Maria, this is fine : "Maturity is not when we start speaking big things. It is when we understanding small things..."
http://www.searchquotes.com/Maturity/quotes/about/Understanding/
Let us read, and let us dance; these two amusements will never do any harm to the world.
—Voltaire, Dictionnaire
Girls really do mature quicker than boys, scientists find
Girls' brains can begin maturing from the age of 10 while some men have to wait until 20 before the same organisational structures take place, Newcastle University scientists have found.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10529134/Girls-really-do-mature-quicker-than-boys-scientists-find.html
“I'd proven to the world that maturity, experience, dedication, and ingenuity can make up for a little senescence. Muscle tightening is not the only thing that happens to our bodies over time. We gain knowledge, focus, and understanding, and those things can help us win.”
― Dara Torres, Age Is Just a Number: Achieve Your Dreams at Any Stage in Your Life
"Mature workers are less impulsive, less reactive, more creative and more centered."
- Deepak Chopra
Nietzsche thought about Human we can transform a few in relation to the Scientist. The Scientist - is "the arrow that flies in the future," rather than in the past.
Wall street journal article
Fleeting Youth, Fading Creativity
The decline of successful young scientists could hurt innovation; tracking peak performance
When James Watson was 24 years old, he spent more time thinking about women than work, according to his memoir "Genes, Girls and Gamow." His hair was unkempt and his letters home were full of references to "wine-soaked lunches." But when Mr. Watson wasn't chasing after girls, he was hard at work in his Cambridge lab, trying to puzzle out the structure of DNA. In 1953, when Mr. Watson was only 25, he co-wrote one of the most important scientific papers of all time.
Scientific revolutions are often led by the youngest scientists. Isaac Newton was 23 when he began inventing calculus; Albert Einstein published several of his most important papers at the tender age of 26; Werner Heisenberg pioneered quantum mechanics in his mid-20s. At the time, these men were all inexperienced and immature, and yet they managed to transform their fields.
Read the rest of this interesting article at:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703444804575071573334216604
Youth and creativity have long been interwoven; as Samuel Johnson once said, "Youth is the time of enterprise and hope." Unburdened by old habits and prejudices, a mind in fresh bloom is poised to see the world anew and come up with fresh innovations—solutions to problems that have sometimes eluded others for ages.
Dear Maria! Many people are thinking about the brevity of life when it comes to infinite knowledge.
Seneca did it also! On the Shortness of Life!
http://www.forumromanum.org/literature/seneca_younger/brev_e.html
Admitting our mistakes is a sign of maturity and wisdom. We learn more from knowing our mistakes.
Dr T.P.Chia
Dear sirs, as I read Seneca's text on the shortness of life, I couldn't resist wondering on the cruelty of the natural fact that when a fruit is ripe /mature, at its best form, it soon tends to fall from the tree or rotten...
The longest part of the life of a beautiful butterfly is the cocoon stage...
This makes me fear maturity.
Dear sirs, as I read Seneca's text on the shortness of life, I couldn't resist wondering on the cruelty of the natural fact that when a fruit is ripe /mature, at its best form, it soon tends to fall from the tree or rotten...
The longest part of the life of a beautiful butterfly is the cocoon larval stage that disgusts us...
This makes me fear maturity.... and wisdom...
Dear Mary, I beg forgiveness for the question that you may often asked. Is your cousin a wonderful pianist Maria Joao Pires?
Dear Vladimir. Do you know her? She's my aunt. My father's younger sister.
I love her dearly too. I cannot live without her music. (she used to play for me in my mother's womb before my birth. I might remember...)
Here's for you.
https://youtu.be/ZfKRsUTHxkc?list=RDZfKRsUTHxkc
When I see earlier recordings of my aunt's piano playing, as a teenager, I realise that age might not influence maturity, at least in terms of Arts...
Dear Maria! Last year, August 29 (this year, also, but this year without Pires) I went to a music festival Chopin in Warsaw. Brilliant Pires performed music by Chopin. Including a wonderful Nocturne, that you gave me. Thank you. You're right, with musicians such as Pires life becomes more colorful and melodious. I wish that we always listened to piano soul Pires.
Vladimir
Dear @Maria, you should not fear of maturity! I do not! It is fine period of life!
"Maturity means we are fully developed for our age. A mature apple blossom is a flower. A mature apple is a fruit and a mature apple pie is nothing like the flower or the fruit. Unfortunately, most of us lag far behind the optimum maturity for our physical age. Life does not stop while we catch up--if we are even trying. At the age when most of us should be ready for apple pies, we are still little green apples..."
http://www.lifemodel.org/wordhtml/Maturity.htm
Dear Ljubomir, I suggest using the term "maturity" mainly for men. For women of all ages suggest using a particular term, for example, the "intelligent youth." Such a proposal would meet all the poetic comparison of women at any age.
“The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of the mature man is that is wants to live humbly for one.”
― Wilhelm Stekel
In my concept of maturity is the state where the individual has managed to get all the necessary knowledge to sustain their own life in most of its areas of growth and development (whether in health: Psychological, Mental, Physical, Emotional, Astral, etc. and socially: Economic, Cultural, interaction, etc.) So then I think that is a very big task that we all run for our lives in order to make the best of all worlds. Humility is recognizing it complementarity between all walking together and helping us in our evolutionary process.
Dear Ljubomir, dear Vladimir !!!
That is unfair... You supposedly decide that I am not allowed to be mature ??? I have decided to remain forever OLD...
It takes all kind of people to build a better World... (I agree with Andrei!)
By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.
Confucius
(nothing to do with gender... at least in China!)
Dear Subhash.
I also agree with that Confucius definition, in the sense that imitation of good examples, may be important also...
Once we start innovating after other's examples, we soon discover new paths that can lead to our own experiment with further development and new experience.
I wouldn't think of starting new research without previous, thorough examination of previous knowledge and researches on the same field (through bibliographic research)
One thing that irritates and shows lack of maturity, when we read other people's research results is the lack of humbleness with the presentation of new results, that are only "original", if you forget to research that others had already come to reach the same results , sometimes a few decades or centuries ago.
To exist is to change, to change is to mature, to mature is to go on creating oneself endlessly.
--- Henri Bergson
I like it very much!
"Immaturity is the incapacity to use one's intelligence without the guidance of another." - Immanuel Kant
The older you get the stronger the wind gets - and it's always in your face
- Pablo Picasso
Maturity is the ability to handle frustration, control anger, and settle differences without violence or destruction.
Maturity is the ability to disagree without being disagreeable.
Maturity is the ability to make a decision, to act on that decision, and to accept full responsibility for the outcome.
Maturity is patience. It is the willingness to postpone gratification, to pass up the immediate pleasure or profit in favor of the long-term gain.
Maturity is the capacity to face unpleasantness and disappointment without becoming bitter.
Dear Subhash, dear Ljubomir, dear Krishnan.
Thank you! these are marvelous brilliant quotes. I will keep them in my notebook. (Who would imagine having Bergson, Kant and Picasso discussing the same issue with strange agreement ?)
Dear Behrouz. What great lessons. Thank you. (as you know, Iam an impusive character. And I often loose from this. I appreciate your advise.)
See ...
Inconsistencies in men are generally testimony to their immaturity
-- Edwin Louis Cole
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/565061084472660001/
Maturity begins to grow when you can sense your concern for others outweighing your concern for yourself.
-John MacNaughton
Yes, but sometimes ‘outweighing’ goes together with compromises; the older the more this technique has been sometimes exercised.
Aging & maturity can bring vast experience, knowledge and wisdom. However, aging also indicating there is a physical / health degradation that limit one's ability. We earn some and lose some in different stages of life in equilibrium. Hence, we need to live to the fullest and enjoy / appreciate every moment in our lives.
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