Interesting. Thank you for you input. Classical theory accepts phase velocity being many times the speed of light without breaking any rules since this way of propagation can not transfer any information they say.

Dear Emmanueil,

I'm not sure to understand you but I'll try to analyse your question. Flux lines are just mathematical artefacts which are assumed to propagate instantaneously, i.e. infinite velocity. Another thing is the magnetic flux ,which in the case of an static field as the magnetic field of the Earth, it is independent of the time and therefore its velocity is infinite too. Or you can see it from another point of view, the Poynting vector is zero because the magnetic flux is constant (Faraday's law) and hence the velocities of the magnetic field is infinite or instantaneous. We are in fact in kingdom of the Magnetostatics.

This classical picture is clear and without too many difficults to understand it, but if you go to quantum mechanical point of view where the fields are made by photons, the things are much more difficult to respond. Photons cannot propagate at a velocity higher (or lower) than the velocity of the light. Therefore it is non sense to say that the magnetic flux (formed by a number of photons in a certain surface) can move at an infinite velocity at all. Where is the the wrong reasoning in all this physical interpretation?

Dear Professor Daniel Baldomir,

Thank you for your analysis. To answer your question, in my opinion the wrong thing here is how we physically interpret the physical phenomenon we call "Static", or should I say too fast to observe by any means?

You very well note it out, classical and quantum interpretation are in conflict. Something has eluded our understanding here I believe.

Thought experiment:

My question to you is if assuming we are in space and suddenly using for example an electromagnet turned on with a switching time tson, within an observable range of influence say x, a new magnetic pole towards a prior existing magnetic field were to be introduced, would then the new flux lines connection be made at time tcon=(x/c)+tson+tm were tm the constant response time of the magnetometer used in the experiment?

To make things easier, assuming a relative large distance x so that tson and tm negligible and disregarded, would then the application be made at time x/c??...

In case the above experiment fails, it will be impossible for me to see how the above experiment according to established theory, fails to transfer information (i.e. presence of new magnetic pole) instantaneously more or less at a distance x.

Has the above described experiment ever be made? And can you point me out to a paper?

Emmanouil

Dear Emmanoueil,

When you write:

To make things easier, assuming a relative large distance x so that tson and tm negligible and disregarded, would then the application be made at time x/c??...

That is not true in the case of magnetostatics, as we assume for the magnetic field of the Earth, because instead of c you have tov= infinite (formally) and this means that the time x/v=0. That is to say, instantaneous!!! It is true that seems to be no reasonable because we have the idea that the fields propagate forces and we could also straightforwardly say that the energies must be involved. But that is not the case if you introduce the usual concepts of electrodynamics as the Poynting vector for the linear momentum.

One question quite similar to this but for trying to relate the macroscopic electromagnetic point of view with the microscopic one, was put by me some years ago

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Are_magnetic_and_electric_fields_made_by_different_photons

But I didn't get yet a good answer to it. Unfortunately I cannot give you any interesting reference about your specific question

Most intriguing!!... I have read also your relevant question thread were you so elegant formulate the question.

If x/c=0 is a physical reality and not just a mathematical formulation, in magnetostatics and transient effects of it and range of detection is the only limiting factor here dictated by today's measuring apparatus capabilities then I truly fail to understand why this was not considered all this years as a candidate for explaining quantum entanglement, if this is a physical reality and not one more mathematical fantasy that is?

I smell here, that this was pushed carefully under the carpet, using some formulation excuse because the stakes here are large and it would endanger and demolish some established theories or reenter them as incomplete at least.

So far I have heard the term counter-space only as a science fiction term, were space and distances are nullified and therefore there is no concept of time... If this is true I have to reconsider this term as a science fact.

My thought experiment (and practical as well) was very specific and immune to general explanations I believe. Will the two states be entangled or not?

Sydney Ernest Grimm

Thanks for your reply. So I suppose the second part is your answer which I am interested in. Thus photons therefore the speed of light in order the transient event to propagate at x distance thus a delayed response. No entanglement.

Either way entanglement without a connection is for me an obscurity and quite laughable to believe so.

Kind Regards,

Emmanouil

In order to understand entanglement we have to acknowledge the possibility of two kinds of waves to exist in the aether medium or else called today, "empty space".

Longitudinal and transverse waves inside the aether. Transverse EM is roughly all ordinary mass and energy we are know of. However longitudinal aether waves could be a perfect candidate to explain entanglement since longitudinal waves relative can travel much faster than transverse. That we would call instantaneous.

This guy here gives a nice proof for the above statement:

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/80226/why-do-longitudinal-waves-travel-faster-than-transverse-waves

The problem is, it is an impossibility for us transverse waves beings to detect longitudinal aether waves. We are imprisoned inside the light speed of transverse EM waves.

Dear Sydney,

Thank you for your very clear and concise answer.

I am glad that you see the Universe as a one solid body and disregard the established position of today physics of "empty space".

There is no such thing like "empty" only our current ignorance. At least not at scales larger than the Planck length.

We are chain-bond by our current description formalism and false axioms and have to break free from this schizophrenic EM dualism in order to progress in our understanding.

For example we have found in our Quantum Field of Magnetism (QFM) theory and experimentation that in a magnet there are two types of magnetic flux modalities vortex quantum flux around the poles and subsequent macroscopic axial-curled flux along its magnetization axis we today general refer as magnetic flux or N-S field of magnet.

However, we have found something peculiar and strange. The magnet behaves like a dielectric capacitor with its Electric field totally collapsed and compressed at its middle (e.g. a bar magnet) in a region science refers to as Bloch domain wall net effect of the dipole magnet which is essentially a geometrical 2D disk and therefore a magnet has zero electric dipole moment p=qd where d is the thickness of the domain wall essentially d=0.

These two perpendicular magnetic flux modalities constitute the so called EM field of a permanent magnet. Therefore electric field is a magnetic field modality in QFM theory and nothing more.

The peculiar thing here now is that this axial E or N-S poles direct flux though the magnet, compressed in the magnets's domain wall region seems to be uncorrelated with the physical distance separation of the N-S poles ends of the magnet.

Meaning, as if the the physical pole ends of the magnet were directly connected to its domain wall without any space separation in between and magnetic flux entering for example one pole end, propagates instantly to the middle of the magnet like a wormhole or the concept of counter-space where no Euclidean space exist even if the bar magnet is 1Km long!!...

Kind Regards,

Emmanouil

References

Article The Quantum Field Of A Magnet Shown By A Nanomagnetic Ferrolens

Arxiv: https://tinyurl.com/yb9bu7jk

Preprint Quantum Field of Magnetism Theory (QFM) And Experimental Evi...

wiki: https://en.everybodywiki.com/Ferrolens

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