When I saw some structural rules in another journals like "you have to include more than 50 citations", I really think on what happen with enjoying research...
I mean, the author must have freedom to incorporate or not the number of citations in its papers, we know for logic that could not be 2 or 3, but you can put a certain number because in the majority of the cases they are going to lie just to achieve the number. I mean put the 50 citations even when it have not sense in the paper or when they did not use the author cited in its research...
What do you think about this kind of rules? Tell me about any other odd rules you find...
Yes, I agree! Researchers should be given some space and such strict structural rules limit autonomy.
Yes, I agree! Researchers should be given some space and such strict structural rules limit autonomy.
بالفعل ان وضع القيود على العمل البحثي يبعدنا عن الاستمتاع بالعمل وبالتالي عدم ظهور العمل بالشكل الذي نطمح إليه. لذا انا ارجو ان لا توجد مثل هذه القيود ضمن المجلات
Indeed, putting restrictions on research work keeps us away from enjoying the work and thus the work does not appear as we aspire. So I hope that there are no such restrictions within magazines
The requirements for the structure and design of various magazines are related to editorial policy. They are aimed either at the convenience of presenting the article to the reader, or should reflect the scientific level of the journal, its inclusion in the database. Compliance with these requirements forces the scientist to more strictly structure the article.
I think such matters are written in the website of very bad category journals.
Personally, I am very closely associated with one journal which is recently indexed in SCOPUS.
For such good indexing, the rules and regulations are very tough to follow.
You have no scope to write such silly things in your journal website, if you have any intention to make or keep the standard of your journal at a good state.
Regards,
According to me most of the scientific journals of good standing do not impose rules as to the number of citations in the manuscript. However, due credit should be given to pioneers in research, and all the more if the article is a review article.
I totally agree with you that authors should cite references as they like& really need, not according to what editorial boards of journals demand.
Hassan Izzeddin Sarsak
Wahag Abass
Rekha Rani Koduganti
Amjad Hazim Al- Naemi
Jasim Hassen
Thanks for your answers. Definitely the researchers need more space and freedom to enjoy the investigative work, if we put some chains just help to limite its creativity.
As Shibabrata Pattanayak comment, I beleive that journals have to forgot this crazy rules and put its mind on the really important about research and science.
And as Preston Guynn said is excessive and I do not think this will help its indexing numbers...
Aparna Sathya Murthy Yes, that is another, I mean, maybe in this case we can take some common sense, about the work of writting and maybe the content, you know, an article with 6 pages could not be did for 20 authors... Its not necessary to put as a rule...
Broad guidelines such as length of the article, formatting, etc. are okay to impose. However, the author should be given the widest latitude in terms of citations.
Anastas Ivanov Ivanov Is true, sometimes you just have to follow some suggestions even when you are not sure to it, and you did for have the paper published.
Thanks for the answer Fares F. Fares Srini Vasan
Tell a complete story in the abstract Communicate why the paper matters in the introduction
Deliver the results as a sequence of statements, supported by figures, that connect logically to support the central contribution
Structural rules are good for establishing some order, obligation, discipline in writing, but to the point when they are transformed into limitations or fulfillment of some requirements that at one point are incomprehensible, unexpected, unnecessary and even unattainable.
This type of constraint loses us the pleasure of research work and also compels us to cite research that is not at the heart of the research in large proportion.
Mirna Leko-Šimić
Dmytro Leshchenko
Kosta Sotiroski
Amal Saadoon Majeed
Maya Lambovska
Thanks for the answers!
We are clear in the importance of rules and order to make uniform the content. But sometimes journals extra-limit this rules. I mean, sometimes is a myth and ourselves really beleive that and apply that... Like: The references must be new (I mean, Marx must be sad if a paper about Marxism do not cite him because of the old of the book)...
As researchers that are constructing the new way to make science we have to talk loud and make some common sense to some myths in this things... And also to promote the writting as a pleasure to show our findings, of course we have to be learning all the time about science and its practices (in every area we work on).
I am not promoting the disorder, I am editor of a journal (of course I apply rules), I just want the people write in my journal shows its way (without forgot the principal rules and to follow the scientific method in the way works for its case)...
The discussion just continue....
hi,
Writing liberty has completely diminished in recent times. The authors are forced to delight the reviewers and change the whole representation before it is accepted. Majority of the reviewers are compassionate while some ridicule the work and write us off in no time. THese days, publishing an article is becoming a gamble (atleast for me, my colleagues, and fellow researchers in the country).
At the same time the researcher is not obliged to publish in these journals.
Amer Hamed Suliman For sure we are not, we are just trying to discuss the common odd rules... Thanks for the answer....
A valuable question and the answers actually reflect the suffering of researchers when try to published in some journals but find they put such structural rules.
Asmaa Mahdi Al-Hashimi Yes, when reserachers want to learn and have all this rules just feel exhausted about it, and decline before even start...
The number of autocitas should not be excessive unless the author demonstrates that his work is a sequence of the previous one or is part of a Research Program. The autocita just to increase its indexes should be considered a bad practice. The author or the authors can be requested to justify the excess of self-citations at the time of submitting the article for evaluation.
Ilya Casanova I agree with you, is ussual that the researcher work on a line and maybe the paper is a sequence of work in a timeline!
بيّن مدى صحة العبارة الآتية
(الاعمال المادية هي كل عمل لايترتب عليها اثرا يعتد به قانونا)
1: Focus on one idea . 2: Abstract: Compact summary of paper . 3: Introduction. 4: Results. 5.Discussion. 6. Conclusions.
Unfortunately, some journals require that they citations at least two papers from the same journal.
Yas, of course, some journals require that they citations at least two papers or a limited number of citations, so we focus on the main point of topics and lower citation by using short introduction and using the newest citations.
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It depends on the magazine
If you find one magazine that you do not like theirs rules just change
Ingrid
When a journals asks for at least 30 links, it’s h-indexmania (hirshmania) or h-indexaddiction.
Dmytro Leshchenko Thanks!
Ahmed Saeed Mohmed Yes, thats for growing in citations, some journal have to do this!
Jasim Hassen
As editors we have to work to make it more comprehensive!Mohammed I. Rushdi Thanks!
Ramil Garifullin Yeahhh, true!
Ingrid Del Valle García Carreño That is always an option!
finding 50 honest citations from any journal is not completely impossible.
The problem is that some journal requires authors to include references from their own journal. In addition I guess that some journal would not like too much when other journals are cited too much.
I had one paper that needed to increase references from the same journal where it was submitted, otherwise it wouldn't go under review. At the end, after I included those references, the editor rejected it the same without sending it to review.
Crazy
Riccardo Boiocchi Yeah, thats a new one, but I mean, I thinks is a way of the journals to make it visible, I do not think they do not want that other journals are cited, they just want it to be cited!
It is complicated about rejection reasons, maybe the editor should review it before asking you for the references and rejected without it, not after asking you for.
Thanks for the answer!
Wileidys Artigas with that I meant to say that the editor would not even read the paper without its citations
Wileidys Artigas Scientific papers are organized into specific sections and each has a goal. I have listed them here.
- Title
- Abstract
- Introduction
- Materials and Methods
- Results
- Discussion
- Acknowledgments
- References: All citations in the text must have a corresponding reference.
- Tables and Figures
Scientific articles are about clarifying the topic and finding solutions and proofs, not collected numbers of citations
Thats a good explanation, but some editors are really wrong with some rules Bassam Yasein Khudaier Thanks!
Nos enfrentamos cada día a nuevas lógicas editoriales, ¿quién detrás de estas reglas?,¿ a quién benefician? ¿es que el crecimiento de la ciencia está condicionado? entre calidad y lo necesario ¿cuál es equilibrio?. Concuerdo contigo Wileidys Artigas no deberíamos hablar de un número determinado de citas, o de fecha de caducidad en el conocimiento, en ese sentido, deberíamos identificar las citas pertinentes, las que ofrecen ese respaldo científico a nuestros aportes a la ciencia.
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