Should we say Goodbye?
shouldn't we?
Rondel de l'adieu
Partir, c'est mourir un peu,
C'est mourir à ce qu'on aime :
On laisse un peu de soi-même
En toute heure et dans tout lieu.
C'est toujours le deuil d'un vœu,
Le dernier vers d'un poème ;
Partir, c'est mourir un peu.
Et l'on part, et c'est un jeu,
Et jusqu'à l'adieu suprême
C'est son âme que l'on sème,
Que l'on sème à chaque adieu...
Partir, c'est mourir un peu.
Edmond Haraucourt
Is it worth it after all? After all the down votes? After all the heated arguments? After all the debates and disagreements? You're speaking for me, dear Maria!
IT'S NOT DIFFICULT TO SAY GOODBYE, IF WE KNOW WE WILL SEE BELOVED FRIENDS AGAIN. (Sometimes, their health and happiness matter more than their physical presence or online presence. Due to their commitments, they must make their decision.)
Yes!
A time to say goodbye: the last second of the day when we leave RG.
A place to say goodbye: the last second of the day where we are and we leave RG.
Thanks!
In German it´s very easy. We have greetings like "machs gut", "pfüi Di (in Bavaria for Gott befohlen) or Adé (the south german version of Adieu) or "Tschüs" (the north german version). And at all times we expect to meet again. The wishes are just for the next time and until the next meeting and greeting.
So "Pfüi Di".
Dear @Maria, I do say goodbye forever only in one situation, when I was betrayed by the dearest friends, when they lied to me! Such hard moments I do never forget, as I do think that former friends will remember them forever!
Dear Maria,
I am not fond of saying goodbye. When people get to me asking when it is the time to divorce I tell them that the right time to go apart is when one tries to kill the other while sleeping. If there is time to say wait, stop it, let's talk about it, there is still a chance. There are forces that go beyond our understanding that put us together. See here, there are 7 million people and we, some 20 to 30 people got together for discussing many subjects that most of the times are not even of our field of studies. Why do we meet here? Not even us know why. We did not plan to be together, it just happened. And to be apart it hurts again. It seems that we do not have the power to plan to be together and neither to be apart. We can force it, but we will suffer and make people suffer. There is a way to go apart when it happens naturally. The relationship is over before we notice it. A place to say goodbye is nowhere and a time is never.
Dear Ljubomir,
It is impossible to do anything with a person that lie to us. They agree with us. They say that they will do differently or that they have not done some of the things people say they did and they are just lying. When I have these cases I also go apart, but I suffer. Not for the lier I have in my life, but for the good friend I lost or that I once believed I had. So, those good moments I will always keep and I will suffer for the "death" of those loved ones. Usually if I try be normal again it is never the same. Not that I do not forgive that person but there is no more passion, no more a flood of neurotransmitters, I do not stretch my neck to see that person after she turns the corner.
I officially require an answer from Professor Dr. Maria Pires.
Dear Maria,
The reasons which bring us to RG together are still there and will remain there. Although you may have needed time to stay away from RG but deep in your mind you will still be in it and you will remain within us.
Dejenie is right, Maria. I always said that there will be a time when each of us will have to leave RG. But RG is for the researcher in us! That's why we are here for good or bad. Mahfuz and Kamal questioned about the scoring system that wasn't transparent, and got no satisfactory answers. So did Mahmuod and some others. But I'm just a small fly on RG, and a COLLABORATOR for research. Just ask Prof Ljubomir, he has LEFT RG AND RETURNED :)
Is it Yes or No? So!
A time to say goodbye: the last second of the day when we leave RG, that will never come.
A place to say goodbye: the last second of the day where we are and we leave RG, that will not happen.
Thanks!
Dear Miranda,
I could NEVER agree of you as a small fly. Unless if I think that all forms of life are special. Maybe if I take into consideration that a house fly can travel 6 miles in 24 hours, that is, they can go very far in a short time, and if we think of what 6 miles are for them, this is way too far, and yet they prefer to stay close by their breeding ground. Even then, I would call you a big fly. Leave RG, no problem. But to leave our minds you will have to change a lot. Don't try anything gross that it may not change our minds at all either. We like you not because you did anything special, but for many reasons that none of us could name if asked without lots of considerations. Neither would there be a single answer to it. When I think of you I think of a humanistic views to every issue. And most of the activities of a house fly, not putting those little creature down, they are not in any way to be compared to what you are able to do to others practicing your science. If you want to be compared to an animal let us think of a Hawk. In can be much more appropriate for your characteristics. I say that publicly, and not in a private message, because I am sure that 100% of the people here will, if they know you,agree with me.
Is it worth it after all? After all the down votes? After all the heated arguments? After all the debates and disagreements? You're speaking for me, dear Maria!
Hi Maria, the need to signal an end to an encounter with someone or announce one's intention to depart needs to be communicated to others. That is why every language has a greeting when one meets someone or enters company, so show one's relative position vis-avis the personsone is meeting, and a form of goodbye. It can be formal, or informal. If one is meeting someone informally, every language, indeed, every generation has a non-formal methor of saying goodbye, whether it is a kiss on the forehead for lovers or the shaking of hands, a namaste, the rubbing of noses, touching feet... so the importance of goodbye cannot be ignored.
Dear Maria,
Dear All,
This is a very culture tied greeting. The Hungarian equivalent of goodbye may be Isten veled. This is a very optimistic greeting meaning that God should be with you. This can be used both in the hope of repeated meetings (bye for now) and at the last encounter (Adieau). I think one does not say anything to evil people. There is a bit humorous salutation(?) a soha viszont nem látásra = bye for never (Nie Aufwiedersehen = au jamais revoir).
There's a Portuguese word that is untranslatable.
«S A U D A D E S »
it's got to do with the sadness of parting and the nostalgia you can get. from this The great Capeverdian singer Cesária Évora put this feeling to music in the most perfect wa, because there's a mixture of joy in salted tears. (did you know that tears are the body fluid with the greatest content of Endorfines? - that´s why crying is addictive!).
http://youtu.be/dNVrdYGiULM
:)
I prefer to say by for now (in Iatlian: arrivederci) more than good bye.
Another possibility may be important in the life.
Enjoy these wondeful and internationally known Italian songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ep6XbVte5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHIC_OoN5LE
I gave two answers with same meaning, first was misunderstood by Barbara Sawicka -- second was made clear by me. But both have the same meaning.
See the commentary in attachment.
And saudade is unpronounceable among friends and no addiction to endorphins either at RG in the name of Vilemar.
Lerardi,
In your language, even a good bye is beautiful.
TIME TO SAY GOODBYE - 30 APRIL 2015, AFTER LAST EXAM PAPER
PLACE TO SAY GOODBYE - MY CUBICLE
Dear friends, here are my students and they are my good friends. Soon we will say Goodbye, and each of them is likely to go to different schools to receive further training in their professions. But I have done my best for them academically, and I have tried to build inter ethnic bonds of understanding and peace among them. And they become my FB friends. (In my country, we say MEETING AND PARTING IS ALL PART OF LIFE. AND MY RELIGION TEACHES ME THAT I CAME ALONE INTO THIS WORLD, AND ALONE I SHALL DEPART TO MY FATHER IN HEAVEN.)
AND WHAT DO WE LOOK FORWARD TO, AFTER SAYING GOODBYE?
IT'S NICE, WE SAY HELLO! SOME FRIENDS WILL COME BACK TO US! (I'M IN THE PINK SHIRT AND CAP.)
We in Bengali never say goodbye we say "aashi". Literally it means "I am coming". We never encourage a sense of departure. Dear Maria I think we should never think of saying "GOODBYE" to/in RG because all of my good friends are the members of this forum.
The truth is that there is always a place and a time to say goodbye.
The end of the night
We should say goodbye
But we carry on
While everyone’s gone
The Turkish people are generally very friendly, affectionate, and emotional. When I visited Turkey, I went to the major cities west, south, and center. Each time, I stayed in a hotel for few days; there was the torment of saying goodbye to them. I used to say: Kardeshim (meaning brothers), Allahaısmarladık (which means goodbye combined with the care of God on you) or Güle güle (which means goodbye & leaving you smiling with roses) or İyi günler (which means goodbye & have a good day) or İyi Akshmlar (which means goodbye & have a good night) or Görüşürüz (which means goodbye but we will see each other). After saying any of these statements, I used to see the hotel staff bursting with tears. It was so moving for me. Few days & all these sentiments, what would it have been if I spent years with these lovely people?
The various times that I departed from Brasília, Brazil, I noticed in the airport that in saying goodby, the Brazilians would engage in extended embraces that could last for as long as fifteen minutes without cessation. I was so moved by this new discovery of the last few moments of my stays in Brazil, that I was surprised never to come across a similar ceremony in my other travels throughout the world.
Dear Nelson,
wonderful story. We must stay open for new impressions and customs.
Dear Nelson, as you know: be most welcome among the Latinos - Brazilians included, of course. What you mention is quite normal among us, over here, in most of these countries.
I ha've lived during years both in Europe, Japan and the U.S.: nothing like that exists there. A goodbye is just that, period.
Dear friends, didn't we learn this song in Primary school?
@Mohammad Hamad, I'm glad we are agreed on this issue. LIFE GOES ON. BUT I HOPE THAT WE WILL SAY HELLO AGAIN TO KAMAL :)
Time to leave, yet the first rays of sun
Beckon through frayed clouds
Pressing me to return
A sombre bird of monsoon
Implores that I turn
From her secret, wild hideout
A swelling stream hastens along
Below a penumbra of branches;
Who does she seek, as she calls back?
Who, in my heart, ever so often
Ushers back the distant, dewy pilgrim
On his pensive, parting dawn?
A translation of Tagore's writing
Dear All,
The Italian greeting (arrivederci) mentioned by Ierardi is wholly equivalent with the German, French, Hungarian and any Slavic vernacular forms either in meaning or formally: Auf wiedersehen, au revoir, viszontlátásra. These are optimistic greetings hoping in the future.
Ciao, in Italian, means Hello. In Portugal, we use the term Chau , to say - see you later. One of my best friends uses the phrase «Até já» (see you soon/now) (até logo, means see you later; até amanhã, see you tomorrow... Até sempre , see you always, is a term often used in obituaries... Até já, see you back soon. I love that idea.
...Até já to you all!!! :)
dear Maria
people in Iran as muslim peoples when leave with another one, they say goodby to she/he. but literally refer to this subjects that they are well hope she/he care by God. goodby in Iranian languege Is formed two part: God & care,this in iranian is: خدا حافظ
Distance of time and place generally cure what they seem to aggravate; and taking leave of our friends resembles taking leave of the world, of which it has been said, that it is not death, but dying, which is terrible. ~Henry Fielding
Dear Maria and all, I was busy this whole day, and I think I only made 2 posts. Such a lot of work, and I don't have students to write my papers. Busy is the norm when I have papers to improve. Before I SAY GOODBYE, I place this song:
SO LONG, FAREWELL, AUF WIEDERSEHEN, ADIEU, ADIEU, ADIEU, TO YOU AND YOU AND YOU... (Hope to be back when possible.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkWtd4tZ4eY
Farewell, my sister, fare thee well.
The elements be kind to thee, and make
Thy spirits all of comfort: fare thee well.
~William Shakespeare
Is there a place or a time to say goodbye? Yes,where? Here on Earth. Is there a time? Yes, It started when Adam and Eve descended to Earth. They both must have said goodbye to heaven and one must have said goodbye to the other before he/she died! Saying goodbye has been a consequence and a necessity of life on Earth ever since.
Dear Maria,
It is never easy to say goodbye, and I don't think there is time for that ... but sometimes, life circumstances eventually separate us from friends and loved ones.
And then, remaining photos and memories and always good thoughts ...and who knows, reencounters ??
Vanessa
Dear Maria,
To say goodbye is such a sad think to do that I can count on the number of times on both hands as an adult to the living.
I say good by to those I do not want around anymore for reasons I cannot say. I do however say goodbye to all those who have died that I have known and cared for.
Good bye for me is final and is reserved for the dead or the living dead in my book.
I say until we meet again, or see you soon to those in my life.
Douglas
Dear Vanessa, according to my answer, try to say "Arrivederci" and listen to the songs I posted (based on your family name, I think you may understand Italian)
There are occasions when You have to say Good bye, but after is so,so hard!
http://www.folksdaily.com/sad-goodbye-quotes/
Dear Maria: Some people do not need to say goodbye because they are always present. Good things never die or are away from us.
Dear Maria, here in my country, we say many Goodbyes to beloved friends and family members. Here some church friends and family members say Goodbye (Arrivederci, Auf Wiedersehen) to Stephen (back row, left). He left home to work for Emirates in Dubai. 2 severe accidents or incidents occurred last year to Malaysian Airlines, so he's now an engineer with Emirates. See his 5 children in front, his mum (seated, left). It's about the same with my family, that's why I have said so many goodbyes, more than the posts I placed here. (Place this Goodbye was said is Kuala Lumpur International Airport. His wife wasn't well and couldn't be present. I wasn't there too, I was at college.)
Thank you, dear António !!!
(I won't forget to say «HELLO» on my next visit to Coimbra ! (You have my all-times favorite Hotel in the World, in Coimbra - Quinta das Lágrimas» is THE place to stay in Portugal)
Thank you, Miranda. Beautiful photo. I hope you all stood up after that and shared a huge hug!
Thanks Maria. When I see the faces of friends saying Goodbye (Arrivederci), I always can 'almost read their thoughts'. Children aren't so aware of the implications of a Goodbye, but adults know it really well. Just a few days before Stephen left for Dubai, some robbers BROKE INTO their house at night, removed cell phones, laptops and purses. They tried to steal the Toyota, but the alarm went off. NOW HE'S AWAY, WE ALL PRAY FOR HIS WIFE AND 5 KIDS.
Anyway I'm saying Arrivederci to Prof Kamal. In my culture I should address him as Prof. And I sent this pic to him FROM ALL OF US ON RG. BE YE CHEERFUL.
I might prefer Dawn.
And everything to do with Birth ... and cyclic rebirth !
Is there a place or a time to say H E L L O ???
Of course my dear @Maria! Such places exist! Have a look! I have taken a photo from the hill in my yard, shooting over Danube, while saying hello to my neighbours passing through!
While I was returning across the Danube in late night, after fishing, I have met my friend in the boat! We were so surprised! Have a look! Of course, I did told him HELLO! He took a photo of me also!
No, no, I am not cold at all dear @Maria. It was wonderful September's night, a warm one!
Nice picture dear Ljubomir..You look younger in the RG photo.
It happens , even to the best of us... to get older with time... dear Mohammad !
Agree, dear Sana ! You are absolutely right.
In the end, it may be wiser not to judge others, from our own, smallest human perspective.
Time heals.
And forgiveness is certainly the ability or attribute that is specific to the greatest wise people.
(independently from nationality or religious belief...)
I say goodbye to a term that is conducive to meet again
Word of goodbye, just to get away for a short or long term is
Bye and can also not be the right place.
Até já ... means «see you soon», in Portuguese, dear Saeed.
Dear Maria, dear all,
Até já to Prof Kamal. Let's make this one place to say WELCOME BACK to our dear friend. (Another place is my thread on online friendship.)
Let's see if dear @Kamal will join the Questions and Answers!? Welcome back!
Dear Ljubomir, I think @Kamal will join us. He said that he missed you. You must be one of the reasons Prof Kamal is coming back again.
Wow ! We can have that boat sail again with happy winds !!!
Hurray for dear Kamal !!!
Welcome back, dear, dear Kamal ! (I felt like a ship-wreck in your absence!) Welcome back. Ships ahoy !!!
Our dismantled ship is back together again and here's the best of my happy loving sailing smiles, to greet dear Kamal! :)
Rondel de l'adieu
Partir, c'est mourir un peu,
C'est mourir à ce qu'on aime :
On laisse un peu de soi-même
En toute heure et dans tout lieu.
C'est toujours le deuil d'un vœu,
Le dernier vers d'un poème ;
Partir, c'est mourir un peu.
Et l'on part, et c'est un jeu,
Et jusqu'à l'adieu suprême
C'est son âme que l'on sème,
Que l'on sème à chaque adieu...
Partir, c'est mourir un peu.
Edmond Haraucourt
So ... on the oposite pole,
Is there a place or a time, to say...«Hello! I'm back again!!!» ???
I have welcomed Kamal back, on Fadel's thread. Let's go on with our research to get to the Truth, and to fight for truth and righteousness. Struggling is a sign of physical life, and fighting for truth is a sign of spiritual life. From mobile.
Dear Maria,
I think your latest question is the reason I say goodbye so few times. Hello again just seems so unnecessary and untidy. It almost is like the second cup of coffee or tea in the morning, good but not the as good as the first. That is how a hello or introduction should be.
What's next goodbye again!!!?
Douglas
.. endless quest! ...
You are right. Life goes on ! (never unstruggled, nor struggleless!)
Maria,
Again you are on point. I would like to suggest that words are beautiful, words are specific and when the right word is chosen the pros are just stunning.
My point is in knowing this about words, how they fit together to make something just magnificent so to should the spoken word in saying hello or goodbye. In today's culture the word great is tossed about so often it has lost its meaning its significance, its separation from good if you will. Great is not the only word, Splendid has become ordinary, incredible has become mundane, beautiful has become plane, and educated has become average, (average news paper is written for a 6th grade 9th month reader) .
I think saying goodbye should be separated out and kept special, it should be anything less that GOODBYE. The same I believe should hold true for hello.
Hello has a warmness to it, a sense of opening ones arms and home, not just a untrue nice to meet you or good to see you again.
So maybe I am just getting old, or focusing in on words more, or just having a bad day but it is truly how I feel.
In this light I say to this thread, see you again not goodbye
In morning for meaning,
Douglas
Dear Douglas !
When we say goodbye, we close our arms, to grasp and HUG.
When we say Hello, we open our arms, to HUG!
Dear Maria, Vilemar and all, I just remembered something that Vilemar said! Hi Vilemar, you expected Kamal to come back, and a sharp increase in his score, right? Kamal shows that you are right, based on his papers alone, it's already impressive. But he's here on RG, mainly for research (doing just as he advised me to do), to share his papers with those of us who find them useful. So we welcome Kamal back again, and I take his advice seriously!
Goodbye and Hello --- simultaneously take place when when one batch of students passed the course and leaving and new batch of students joins/joining the course.
Teachers take it as routine! Every day goes to the class and teaches the students!
Dear Miranda!
I agree with Subash. We are communicators. as we teach, we also learn to cope with stress and misunderstandings. (hellos and goodbyes are part of our job !)
In this sense, and in the sense that Scientists are also communicators, hence also permanently submitted to stress and misunderstandings, please allow me to be foolish enough not to follow dear Kamal's good advise and to keep my urge to communicate with others, to learn from others to share my foolish thoughts with you, and to face the misfit of misunderstandings, with serenity and coping good will.
Dear Maria, Subhash and all, today is the last exam of the semester for my Module 3 students who take Bio, Chemistry, Computer Science and Maths. They came to say their goodbyes, their thanks and their sorry(s). Tomorrow is the last paper (Physics) for Module 1 and 2 students. We have only 3 weeks of holidays, till the next intake come in to say Hello!
Normally, I use my holidays to prepare for conferences and for writing. And I am presenting 2 papers in June. Few holidays, and we were told 'holidays are not your right, only your pay is a right'. During the semester, I can only carry out research data collection, but a lot of time is spent with students. (I am wondering when Kamal gets back his questions and answers from RG. So I must communicate with you, right?)
Yes, dear Miranda !!! You are indeed stuck with us, foolish people . But we apreciate your views a lot. And your contributes are always important. And we care for you !!! (a lot !!!)
Again , I disagree. as a Medical specialist in occupational health, or labour Medicine, I consider that time off from work and resting hours and also holidays are the best investment in a better work load . Resting improves our performance , and we should rest as much as we can, as an investment that should be remunerated as such. Even in terms of intelectual performance. As you know, I am a restless mind, and I overwork in intelectual terms, because I am far from intelligent. My personal secret is that I sleep at least 8 hours in every 24, and I do need those to keep up. It is an investment, and I should be paid for it (only Governments don't realize that!) ...
Dear Maria,
Your statement about rests matches the necessities. So many people are working without content or results because of overload and weak souls and bodies. The often are caught in a death spiral and no one catches them out.
Yes, dear Hanno. Burn out syndrome is a sort of trap from where we find difficulty to save people from. Learning how to rest fully in short term notice is the prevention we can use against burn out syndrome.
One more reason to invest on Resting and sleep and time off from work.
Those who read me might think that I'm a lazy person, but those that know me well, know that I'm a restless hard worker. I manage because I invest a lot in good rest between work and good schedule planing of my 3 jobs...
I hope not. Or maybe I am already caught in that net, and haven't even realized it... I don't mind. (as long as Ican sleep as tight as I do for 8 hours nonstop, every night, and sometimes during the day... I'm alright!) Thank U -Hanno !
You aren't foolish at all or lazy either, Maria. I have been working on my paper, and getting into RG for a few minutes a day. That paper was rejected by one journal, and I re-wrote it over several weeks. Then I found that there was a recent book that refuted many articles I had cited, by eminent researchers in the field! A second re-writing! Have you found yourself in this predicament, Maria and friends?
Interesting quote about "goodbye" (although I believe we have just one lifetime) -
“The reason it hurts so much to separate is because our souls are connected. Maybe they always have been and will be. Maybe we've lived a thousand lives before this one and in each of them we've found each other. And maybe each time, we've been forced apart for the same reasons. That means that this goodbye is both a goodbye for the past ten thousand years and a prelude to what will come.”
― Nicholas Sparks, The Notebook
How very beautiful, dear Miranda !
Thasnk you for your quote.
I am also joining with dear Ljubomir Jacić -- ---- Many happy returns, Dear Maria Bettencourt Pires!
Dear Maria (and Dear Ljubomir – better late than never): Congratulations. Even if we may disagree sometimes in little details (rarely), you are both surely between my greatest RG friends. It looks that our precious RG friends Abderrahmane Kadri (University of Oran, Algeria) and Ali Abdil Razzaq Aldallal (University of Kufa, Iraq) are not on RG for now. However, their bright light will be always present. It is well-known that “the world gives many turns”. With our Good Will and Saint Patience, may be this place can be transformed sometime in a huge Universal Hello, Who knows?
Dear Maria, I'm coming back to the topic, 'Is there a place or time to say goodbye?' And I have just come home from visiting my good old friends in my previous school. I visit them in school when I can. Our goodbyes are for a while until the next holiday...we will hold on to relationships that are precious. (And happy birthday, God bless.)
Man’s feelings are always purest and most glowing in the hour of meeting and of farewell. ~Jean Paul Richter
(Dear Ljubomir, it's the birthday of Maria's cat. The white cat is her 'portrait' on FB, so it's right that she has put the cat's birthday.)
Let us hear from her dear @Miranda. She is absent as I was a few days! :)
Dear Ljubomir, I hope you have been able to do all you can for Matija. You are not going to say Goodbye to him or to us. Maria must be as busy as us, Vilemar, Kamal and Enzo :). From mobile.
Dear @Miranda, progress is there, but going slowly...! Long live my dear Matija! I hope I will never say Goodbye neither to him, nor to RG friends.
Dear Miranda ! Dear Ljubomir ! Dear António ! Dear Subhash !
Thank you !
Thank you for noticing my long silence.
Thank you for my birthday greetings (Ygnatz and Sweety, my cats ate that lovely Serbian chocolate in a minute - Delicious, thank you!) (My private personal birthday was on the 8th of April. My cats were born on the 13th of May)
I forgot to come here and say goodbye, for 10 days, because it would be short notice, and because I always believe I can go on coping with all my overload and forget I am only human...
I have been preparing a National Meeting of Anatomists for yesterday, the 16th of May(88 came from all over the Country) and the last-minute preparations were too much time consuming, apart from preparing 9 papers and the Abstract Book, that prevented me to follow my own advice to sleep every night...(Exceptions build the Rules, in Portugal...)
Here's my proud result !
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276410741_ABSTRACT_BOOK_LIVRO_DE_RESUMOS_XLIX_REUNIO_CIENTFICA_SAP_E_II_REUNIO_CIENTFICA_AAP?ev=prf_pub
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276410437_Os_Esfolados_-_Anatomia_Disseco_e_Modelos_Anatmicos
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276410718_VARIANTE_DO_NERVO_MEDIANO_NO_BRAO
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276410463_A_Importncia_da_Anatomia_na_Colocao_de_Catteres_Venosos_Centrais_na_Veia_Jugular_Interna_do_Estudo_Bsico__Prtica_Clnica
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276410537_BASES_ANATMICAS_DA_ARTROSCOPIA_E_CIRURGIA_DO_JOELHO
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276410521_BASES_ANATMICAS_DA_CIRURGIA_INGUINO-CRURAL
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276410366_Fistulas_arterio-venosas_da_Anatomia_Bsica__Anatomia_Clnica?ev=prf_pub
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276410437_Os_Esfolados_-_Anatomia_Disseco_e_Modelos_Anatmicos
We'll survive !
Please forgive to have forgotten to let you know... I myself forgot I was only human...
Kind human regards!
Maria
Book ABSTRACT BOOK LIVRO DE RESUMOS, XLIX REUNIÃO CIENTÍFICA SAP ...
Conference Paper «Os Esfolados» - Anatomia, Dissecção e Modelos Anatómicos
Conference Paper VARIANTE DO NERVO MEDIANO NO BRAÇO
Conference Paper A Importância da Anatomia na Colocação de Catéteres Venosos ...
Conference Paper BASES ANATÓMICAS DA ARTROSCOPIA E CIRURGIA DO JOELHO
Conference Paper BASES ANATÓMICAS DA CIRURGIA INGUINO-CRURAL
Conference Paper Fistulas arterio-venosas: da Anatomia Básica à Anatomia Clínica
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