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قل هو الله احد الله الصمد لم يلد و لم يولد و لم يكن له كفؤا احد
صدق الله العلي العظيم
GOD IS THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING AND NOTHING COMPETES GOD ALLAH.
My belief has taught me that if God exists, and that God suffers for evil, ambition, selfishness of man
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Dear Kirk,
Jesus is consubstantial with God, the Father. Jesus suffered according to the Bible. Thus, God may suffer.
Dear Kirk,
Jesus is consubstantial with God, the Father. Jesus suffered according to the Bible. Thus, God may suffer.
God exists in our mind and spirit and when we suffer, he suffers this belief in him; although God does not suffer like us.
Our God does not suffer; He does things in His own will. He is the omnipotent and Omnipresent God, The King of kings, and The Lord of lords. He does not suffer.
It responds but in an unpredictable manner since only God knows of what is right.
God is God, God is merciful and God is love. The Bible never talks about God suffering, he doesn't suffer. All good things are associated with him.
the Lord really exist and truly, he is suffering because of the evil deeds of mankind. we are giving him all sort of hell. Read Genesis 6:6 and you will no what sometimes run through God's mind.
Yes; God exists and He does not suffer. The bible says in heaven there is no weeping nor sorrow. He rather grieves when he sees humans not doing his will.
The problem with this question seems to me to be, how do we determine what suffering is? Suffering, at least as far as I can determine, is an individual response to a situation and that response is always one chosen by the individual. There is no requirement that anyone suffer. The flood that destroys a town will also deposit silt that might well be what is necessary for improved agriculture. The soil near a volcano is usually extremely rich due to the volcanic action. Are those outcomes reasons to suffer?
Pain is a necessary physical response to certain situations, but does pain equal suffering? From a medical point of view, a patient is allowed to describe their pain on a scale from 0 to 10, or from no pain at all to unbearable pain. Yet no amount of medical knowledge and predict in advance just where on that scale a person will claim to be at any given time. Is the person claiming to be at a 5 while moaning and writhing suffering more than the patient who claims to be at a 7 or higher but is showing no outward signs, and on what objective basis does one answer?
God suffers, if and only if, God chooses to suffer. Should God not perceive a reason to suffer than God does not. We do not get to choose God's response any more than we get to choose the response of another person. I and I alone get to decide if I am suffering. Others are entitled to their opinions as to whether or not I should be suffering, but they do not get to make the choice for me.
Hello,
Here is a paper on this subject from the perspective of Islam.
Only the suffering God can help, is the title of a book written in 1984, if the information on the internet is correct.
The "simple" biblical response is that the God of Israel is a passionate God who can be jealous, angry, and full of compassion, with a particular bent toward hearing the cry of the poor. Theologically, this is a much more difficult question. The great German Jesuit, Karl Rahner (1904-84) offered the following in an article on the Catholic devotion to the Sacred Heart. According to Rahner, the "heart" is a uniquely human quality (here he means "heart" in a theological sense, not the biological). In this sense, only humans have a heart--God does not; neither do animals (my dog may take umbridge with this). It is this heart of the human that has the capacity for both suffering and joy (Rahner distinguishes suffering from biological pain and joy from biological pleasure). Christians believe that, in the incarnation, God became human. For Rahner, the heart of Christ is the union of the divine and human where the divine and human meet in such a way that we cannot conceive of either apart from the other (the basis for theological anthropology and for trinitarian theology). Therefore, in Christ, God has a heart and can, therefore, experience both suffering for and with humanity and joy with and for humanity. It is no accident that Good Friday is referred to as the Passion (from "passio"--to feel).
In "process theology", largely based on Alfred Whitehead's "Process and Reality", God is perceived as possessing two poles--a primordial pole and a consequential pole. It is through the consequential pole that God "interacts" with the world and can respond to and take in the world, with all of its joys and sufferings. By means of the primordial pole God remains God with all of the attributes that are traditionally ascribed to the divine.
Keep in mind that my responses are brief synopses of these two great thinkers--both are far more nuanced and complex than I offer here.
If God is perfect, he can suffers? Good question! We use to think that suffering is linked to imperfection. There is no need to demonstrate it, because it is an - unfortunately - very common experience. However, I find useful to think that there are at least two kinds of suffering. One is related to our imperfection, errors, limitation, and we can experience it in any kind of situation. An example: problems of health that are an impediment to do something you like. The other is linked to freedom and the capacity of loving someone. For instance: a mother can suffer because she sees her children choosing something that is limitating for them in the future, or because her children are sick and can't do what they want to. In this second sense of suffering, linked to love: the more you love, the more you suffer. But I think loving someone is not an imperfection. At least in the christian tradition, this last sense of suffering can be "attributed", in an analogous way, to God, because God is love and He revealed us His love in the Incarnation of the Word. Christian art explains it very well and in many ways (see Masaccio's "Ressurrection of Christ", Dostoyevsky's "The Idiot", etc.).
A very short and not very important contribution regarding the fine text of J. V. Alverson: the Latin word "passio" means "suffering". The verb "pati" means "to suffer".
Thanks for the correction, Christoph. It actually drives home the point even better.
Indeed, if God exists, he could conceivably experience suffering.
But God does not exist, for by virtue of having created existence, he is beyond it.
The Bible's dramatizations of God's vengefulness, jealousy, anger, regrets, laughter, fury, and so on, are all man's meager projections of his own emotional responses onto the Infinite-All. "Who can fathom my spirit?" God asked in a rare interview with the prophet Isaiah over 2700 years ago. “What mortal can inform you of my plans? To whom will you equate me, and what form will you dream up to describe me? (Isaiah 40:13). To whom will you liken me? And to whom can you compare me? (Isaiah 40:25)."
In the words of the 12th-century mystic Rabbi Shmuel ben Kalonymus HaChasid of Speyer:
I shall tell of your glory though I see you not
I shall compare you, describe you, though I know you not
Through the hands of your prophets
Through the secrets espoused by your servants
You gifted us with imagery of the splendor of your majesty
They described the greatness of your power, the might of your workings
They likened you, but not according to what you truly are
And portrayed you according to your deeds
They symbolized you in many varying visions
Yet all visions are unified with you
(From "Shir Ha'Ka'vod [Song of the Glory]")
We can neither prove nor disprove such things! Here, I want to be more critical: Let's not make such as the Research Gate-questions!!!
We will have to ask God about this pertinent question. In any case, He says He loves His creations. Therefore, my assumption is that He is not happy to see one in pain. But then in some religious scriptures He says He does not care as He is oblivious to everything. I only assume He cares.
الله وضع خارطة لعباده...اذا اخطأه الفرد فهذا يسبب الم لان هذه معصية مباشرة لله...الالم الموصوف عند الله نحن نتحسسه كما موجود في داخلنا..لكن الم الله الموصوف هو الذي نستشعره وندركه في الكتب المقدسة السماوية
This question reminds me of the Stone Paradox, wherein if God is omnipotent, thus God has no limits. However, the question is here, can God create a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it? If yes, he can create such a stone, then he cannot lift the stone (which contradicts omnipotence); if no, he cannot create such a stone (contradicts also omnipotence).
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