I am using a Cs based, high chloride internal solution and would like to know roughly how long it takes for the internal solution to completely fill the cell so that the chloride concentration is stable inside the cell?
I don't know the precise answer off-hand, but I do recall that the duration depends on the size of your pipette tip, so roughly depends on pipette resistance. Below I include several references where you should find a useful approach to calculating the time constant for your conditions.
Oliva, C., Cohen, I. S., and Mathias, R. T., 1988, Calculation of time constants for intracellular diffusion in whole cell patch clamp configuration, Biophys. J. 54: 791–799.
Pusch, M., and Neher, E., 1988, Rates of diffusional exchange between small cells and a measuring patch pipette, Pflügers Arch. 411: 204–211.
If you can find a copy of the book "Single-Channel Recording", then you should find the answer in this chapter: "Tight-Seal Whole-Cell Recording" by Marty and Neher. Chapter Tight-Seal Whole-Cell Recording
Hi Is good question, but in depende of the size of the cells or the capacitance of your model. In personal work we waiting a hours for have a change in the intracellular composition.
But, remember in whole cells configuration you only patch a part of the cells, not complete, and Cs solution not controler all the channel inside. Maybe you need considerate a external solution
Depends on the size of your pipette tip (i.e. electrode resistance) and the size/shape of the cell. I would say anywhere between 5 min (for the cell body) and ?? min for the distal dendrites. If you need very precise control, you'd have to check experimentally as Timal says.
Early 80s Alain Marty and Berth Sackmann measured how long it takes for the new Cl equilibrium to take place in the cells they changed. I rememberer it was surprisingly quick, in the order of the minute.
Hi, I usually start my measurements in HEK cells after waiting for about a minute. That should be enough time for the internal solution to equilibriate within the cell. My pipette resistance is usually around 1.5 to 3 MOhm.
Hello, I agree with Johanes and Felix. In my experience with pipettes of arround 2-3 MOhm an inhibitor or blocker can take 2-5 minutes to reach the maximum effect, and an ion that is very much smaller takes less than a minute.
It's like Timal wrote, measure the speed of GABA reversal potential stabilization. Alternatively, with another chloride channel that is expressed in your cell type.