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AI Overview - Gemini Static gravitational fields do not propagate in the way that waves do. They are considered to be instantaneously present wherever their source is, and they move with the source as it changes position, but they don't travel outwards from the source in a wave-like manner according to some physics forums. However, changes to a static gravitational field do propagate at the speed of light, and these changes are what we call gravitational waves according to Caltech (Tapir). The ansawer I think should be considered: I think It has incorrectly suggested that static gravitational fields are “instantaneously present wherever their source is,” and that they “move with the source,” referencing institutions such as Caltech’s TAPIR group. This interpretation is misleading and contradicts the core principles of General Relativity. While it is true that static solutions like the Schwarzschild metric describe time-independent gravitational fields, the field itself is not an object that travels or is emitted — it is the structure of spacetime geometry shaped by matter-energy content. Changes to this field, such as the disappearance or motion of mass, propagate at the speed of light. Caltech TAPIR and similar institutions emphasize this causal structure, consistent with the Einstein field equations. Misquoting such authorities contributes to the spread of Newtonian misconceptions in a relativistic context. This paper aims to clarify that gravitational influence — even in static scenarios — is part of a causally consistent geometric structure, not a force transmitted instantaneously across space.
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LIGO's detection of Gravity Waves indicates that gravity may not be causally connected to its source. Earth's gravity well is an example where gravity is coupled to its source of mass-energy.
Gravity, Inflation, can occur at any velocity greater than that of the speed of light. A gravity wave, however, is limited to the speed of light. the reason a gravity wave is limited to the speed of light is that it is a wave, not gravity itself expanding, it is propagated in expanding gravity and acts like a photon, for all practical purposes.
thus, gravitation may or may not be coupled to a source of mass-energy. the expanding spacetime is an example, also, where gravity is not coupled to any source of mass-energy nor causally related to energy or mass-energy.
Also, gravity is not a Force, it is the geometry of spacetime and is only treated as a Force.
As for the question, I think is, how fast does the gravity well of Earth form around Earth: gravity is coupled to every dust particle, and every pebble that went into making Earth, that is how planets and stars form. it simply added up slowly as all the dust and pebbles clumped together over perhaps a billion years.
Static gravitational fields are exactly co-moving with their sources. This is exactly the same as static electric fields are also co-moving with the charge.
Only if a charge or mass gets accelerated, it emits radiation to carry the static field with that acceleration. In the electric case this radiation is called Larmor radiation.
The really scientific answer to the question “Do Static Gravitational Fields Propagate?” [by no means that is the AI answer in the preface] , as that is rigorously scientifically shown in the Shevchenko-Tokarevsky’s Planck scale informational physical model, in this case it is enough to read https://www.researchgate.net/publication/367397025_The_Informational_Physical_Model_and_Fundamental_Problems_in_Physics section 6. “Mediation of the fundamental forces in complex systems”, is:
- all fields of fundamental Nature at least Gravity, Electric, and Nuclear/Strong, forces propagate in the 3DXYZ space of Matter’s fundamentally absolute, fundamentally flat, fundamentally continuous, and fundamentally “Cartesian”, spacetime that has metrics (at least) [4+4+1]4D (cτ,X,Y,Z, g,w,e,s,ct) with the speed of light.
That happens as propagating with the speed of light c=lP/tP, lP and tP are Plank lenghth and Planck time, of the Forces mediators,; intense flows of which compose classic fields of Gravity and Electric Forces; at that Gravity Force by no means fundamentally is some action of some “curved spacetime”, again – the spacetime is fundamentally absolute and by no means can be impacted by anything in Matter and impact on anything in Matter.
The mediators are constantly and always radiated by particles that have corresponding the Forces “charges” – Electric mediators/fields by “electric charges, gravitational mediators/fields by Gravity Force charges “gravitational masses”.
That Electric Force charges [in mainstream physics EM Force, though some fundamental Magnetic Force doesn’t exist] constantly and always radiate electric fields, which so further propagate in the 3D space with the speed of light, also is postulated in in the mainstream physics – in classical ED that are the fields, in QED that are “virtual photons”, which carry energy/momentum, so the field contains energy with energy density be proportions to E2+ B2, Eand B are the E and M fields strengths. This happens in both, static and at charge motion, cases.
Gravity field principally doesn’t exist in the GR, where instead the field the “spacetime curvature” acts, but at that the curvature also contain energy/momentum in the GR stress -energy tensor, at that the curvature also constantly and always propagates with the speed of light in 3D space like that happens in CED fields, though in this case “energy density of corresponding field” is negative.
- despite constant radiating of energy evidently violates the energy conservation law.
Newton’s assumption that Gravity acts instantly on any distances is wrong, however in static case that is inessential in all cases in [besides cosmological] practice. The constant radiating effects appears at motion, as “retarded potentials” in CED, and something like in the GR; though Poul Gerber calculated correctly Mercury orbit shift equation yet in 1898-1902, using some “retarded gravity field potential”, where has shown that the equation exists providing that the filed propagates with the speed that in few % differs from real value, i.e. c. His result was repeated in 1915 in the GR, where that the propagation is equal to c is included in the GR equations.
Really – see the SS&VT model above – all Forces charges constantly and always radiate the corresponding Forces mediators, which propagate with the speed of light in the 3DXYZ space, however the mediators don’t contain/carry energy, they only cause in “irradiated” particles releasing of momentums/energies, so an irradiated particle, say, falls toward the radiating big Gravity filed big gravitational mass.
Etc., more see the link, again returning to the thread question: all, including static, real fields always and constantly propagate in the 3DXYZ space.
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Sergey Shevchenko "all Forces charges constantly and always radiate the corresponding Forces mediators, which propagate with the speed of light in the 3DXYZ space, however the mediators don’t contain/carry energy, they only cause in “irradiated” particles releasing of momentums/energies, so an irradiated particle, say, falls toward the radiating big Gravity filed big gravitational mass."
No, force fields are at rest in the inertial reference frame of their sources. A field source only acts if it gets accelerated. In this case it carries the field with the acceleration. In order to do this it then emits radiation.
“[SS quote] "all Forces charges constantly and always radiate the corresponding Forces mediators, which propagate with the speed of light in the 3DXYZ space, however the mediators don’t contain/carry energy, they only cause in “irradiated” particles releasing of momentums/energies, so an irradiated particle, say, falls toward the radiating big Gravity filed big gravitational mass."[end quote] ”
No, force fields are at rest in the inertial reference frame of their sources. A field source only acts if it gets accelerated…..”
- what happens really see the SS quote above, including, say, about that happens at similar to Gravity Force Electric Force acting, i.e. that electric charges constantly and always radiate electric/EM field is written in all textbooks on Earth seems from ~ 1910 year.
Completely the same happens at Gravity Force acting, more see the SS post above, first of all that in mainstream physics and textbooks the radiated fileds/virtual photons in QED, contain energy, what is fundamentally wrong.
So, say, if two black holes, say, both have masses M be equal to10 Sun masses, m, so when the “holes” were on large distance between the total “intrinsic” energy of this system was 20 mc2, fundamentally without any “gravitational field energy”, are, say, on distance 1000 light years from Earth, have fell toward each other and merge into one hole,
- at any time moment of the merging the sum of the BHs intrinsic and kinetical energies is 20 mc2, fundamentally [practically, here are nuances] again without any “gravitational field energy”.
After the BHs merged, the kinetic energy mostly is radiated as gravitational waves, and, though at that some clouds of “ordinary” matter can be thrown [BHs aren’t , of course, some “holes in spacetime”, and BHs central compact objects really are composed from seems well ordinary matter - BHs are “next after neutrons particles” stars. Including it looks as that the central SMBHs objects are “Big bosons stars”, more see 3 reDzennn comments May, 24, 26, 27, in/to phys.org article
https://phys.org/news/2025-05-primordial-black-holes-today-dark.html ]
- however, let whole radiated energy, say, 25% of the total one above, is in the radiated GW, while so the remnant BH has mass that is lesser on the radiated “gravitational mass defect”, i.e has mass 15 Sun masses.
It is “at rest”, but on Earth its “at rest field” will appear in 1000 years, together with the GW; before this time moment on Earth will be the two BHs 20 Sun masses “at rest” static filed, which was radiated before the merge.
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Sergey Shevchenko "all Forces charges constantly and always radiate the corresponding Forces mediators, which propagate with the speed of light in the 3DXYZ space"
No, non-accelerated field sources do not radiate.
Again, charges of at least Gravity, Electric, and Nuclear/Strong Forces always and constantly radiate the Forces mediators, intensive flows of which compose “Forces fields” , in the SS&VT Planck scale model [see link in SS post 2 days ago now] the mediators are named as “circular gravitons/photons/gluons”.
The mediators aren’t particles [are propagating in 3DXYZ space “rims”], and so at statics, and for comoving other particles at motion, don’t contain/carry energy, while contain/carry specific, marked by the Force [in g,w,e,s, dimensions ] , momentums, however cause in irradiated particles, which have the same given Force charge, releasing of real momentum/[kinetic energy].
If a charged particle is impacted so that is accelerated, some its Forces mediators with some probability obtain some additional real “XYZ” momentums, and so transform into real particles that have real momentum/energy; that are in Gravity Force – gravitons, in Electric Force – photons, [at least photons are well observable], in QCD now in the model - “?ons”.
These particles, though carry marked by Forces’ FLEs [what is “FLE” see the linked paper, for first reading see, say, SS posts inhttps://www.researchgate.net/post/Wrong_calculation_of_the_possible_physical_spin_speed_of_the_Bohr_electron], however aren’t the Forces mediators – though in mainstream QFTs really strangely are – see SS post above.
- and, moreover - these particles don’t radiate the Forces mediators/ don’t create the Forces fields, propagating be singled in the 3DXYZ space with the speed of light.
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"The really scientific answer to the question “Do Static Gravitational Fields Propagate?” [by no means that is the AI answer in the preface] ......"
Sergei:
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Sergey Shevchenko "Again, charges of at least Gravity, Electric, and Nuclear/Strong Forces always and constantly radiate the Forces mediators, intensive flows of which compose “Forces fields”"
No, "forces mediators" do not exist. Those alleged mediators are not known physical entities.
The posts that really scientifically clarify the thread question are 3 SS posts on page 1.
This
“…No, "forces mediators" do not exist. Those alleged mediators are not known physical entities.….”
- is too general, and so is incorrect. Correct wording should be
“…No, "forces mediators" do not exist. Those alleged mediators are not known for me [i.e. for the poster] physical entities.….”
All mainstream QFTs are based on postulates that interactions of particles by all fundamental Nature forces happen as exchange by the Forces mediators, what is, of course, correct. That is another thing that the mediators in the QFTs are “virtual” and are particles, both this is fundamentally wrong - really, as that is rigorously scientifically shown in the Shevchenko-Tokarevsky’s Planck scale informational physical model [link see SS post page 1, 7 days ago now] the mediators are fundamentally non-virtual but real, and aren’t particles.
SS posts in
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_gravity_a_force_or_not#view=6888b83187d2103e91092aea/1/2
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_particles_emerge_from_spacetime_itself
https://www.researchgate.net/post/If_there_uis_quantum_gravity_then_a_statistically_non_negkigible_discrepancy_between_repuldive_attractive_electric_forces_exists
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Could_time_be_a_physical_field_that_evolves_independently_of_spacetime-and_if_so_what_does_that_mean_for_the_inside_of_black_holes#view=6898829ac65c881af40e7949/1/1/1 , pages 1, 2 [this thread contains “useful” for someones point they coud use in their publications as own, and so it isn’t imdexed in its “Black Holes” , “General Relativity”, “Quantum Mechanics” , “Metrics” Science topics, so isn’t seen for other besides the followers and someones RG members]
- are relevant to this thread question.
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