Students normally don't have long passion for science. They seem like to find out answer for a certain issue of some experiment. But for professionals, ideas and collaborations are mostly our interest.
i beg to differ...well of course professionals have atmost wonderful ideas and knowledge. but a student also is someone with the intense aspiration of becoming a professional.they are budding professionals. the views and ideas given by the professionals, if shared by the students will only be for the betterment of the society. what is the use of a community which shares its knowledge among its members only...if it doesn't spread awareness!!
i beg to differ...well of course professionals have atmost wonderful ideas and knowledge. but a student also is someone with the intense aspiration of becoming a professional.they are budding professionals. the views and ideas given by the professionals, if shared by the students will only be for the betterment of the society. what is the use of a community which shares its knowledge among its members only...if it doesn't spread awareness!!
Great discussions, such debates will definitely do good to spread the essence of sharing knowledge;
As is said knowledge is only bound to grow by sharing, so it should be an open asset available to all, not closeted for the benefit of few.
Regards!!
I agree this is kind of selfish without thinking of other less trained students. But you always want to host people that you can freely exchange your mind.
OK, I founded a group called Biotechnology/Biomedical sciences Professionals.
Please go there and beat one of my idea.Thanks!!!
I endorse the idea of making a separate group of professionals. As regards to students and others their is enough material available and they can ask for help by ask questions and for synopsis. ud sharma
Yes definately it will help in flourishing the science by sharing or descussing novel ideas among yes i agree with this.
Of course this not a good idea. These students must learn from their professionals. Without this learning they will los several skills about the scientific research and thinking, how to overcome and handle a scientific problem, and other several considerations. You will prepare a generation that can not able to work in research.
yes Ahmed sir i agree with you... now i completed MSc ( Biotechnology) but then also i'm lacking so many skills so it should be good interaction between students and professionals so we can earn some knowledge and ideas that may help students to focus whats happening around the research field ....
Regards,
Devi M.
I don't agree, it is necessary the interaction professionals- students
@ Iris, Without a trainer how can a trainee become expert and professional.
@ All "Argument will tell who is right", but "Discussion will tell what is right" so its better to discuss all together and share much knowledge, instead of who is to discuss and share....
@ devi....ok how they that trainer got teaching capacity.... Without reading nothing......................
@ Dinesh, well said but if we read the books you think you can grab everything?????????
Hi, well I'm a professional and I'm not sure being a professional matters. Get 'input' anywhere you can and go with it. Fresh ideas are always appreciated.
The research gate is place to find quick solution for existing problem or difficulty.The group biotechnology is amended for multidisciplinary questions and problems, Because the science is becoming allied, the classical questions of sharing ideas is not a matter.
Providing solutions to the problem is a good business.
Mr Xuebo hu has mentioned word selfish in his second comment, I kindly reject and modify its kindness.
Nobody was professional in all, the expertise and experience will give award professional. In B.Sc level we have great research professionals as well in PhD we have waste fellows.
So never mind, Students are trained less and all professionals great fellows.
The fresh ideas on different topics will give new emerging research, The curiosity is only with Students.
Mentoring is an enviable idea in science that we can't do without. Therefore, young faculties need the experience of older faculties in order to excel in scientific research!!!
As a follow up, my candid definition of a Mentor is 'one who with his wealth of experience creates an enabling platform for young scientist to explore, discover and acquire additional experience to create scientific inventions in any field of study to solve the barrage of problems challenging mankind!' Machebe (PhD)
Of course this not a bad idea. These students must learn from their professionals & this is the perfect platform.
Deepak...
Absolutley WRONG....!
The mentors (professionals in scientific) must favour to young generation (students) to develop their innovative thoughts to scientifics, and conclude dos and donts of scientifics.
Here We have to remember "The students are asking about engineering problems with their experimental set up" not for_ how to increase my marks in examination,how can i create some good relation.
The concept is very clear Research gate is a big Scientific network, so they have a kind hope to resolve their experimental problems and share their young mind.
We are plannning for good scientifics, so its a great prevalage to share the knowledge to all students (The next generation Professionals) and accelarate them in a way to acheive sucess.
students normally don't have long passion for science????????????????????????
The scientific passion will not integrated in genome by birth as Biological, We have to trasform the students to professional by means of cloning a scientifc passion gene artificially by an special interest.
So keep students in a row to take their professional Road...........
Yours,
Srikanth Aluru
I have learned more from my students then I ever did in the classroom. Students and professionals should communicate often. That is the only way proper learning can occur. If children only hung out with children, they would never learn how to behave when they become an adult.
Yes the idea is good. however before gong to initiate the following points have to be clear about a) define professional, b) the category of members according to the units of bio tech. add c) the papers are only research carried by the authors only add the papers made through various previous studies.
Absolutely not,
some students come with some ideas that never addressed by professionals.
The strongest communication seems more wisely.
Hello everybody i personally think that there is no professional in science. All are students. So lets not say that you are student and we are professionals. Sometimes students give a great idea to overcome a problem. So to get a solution for any problem doesnt require only knowledge. All it takes a how and what do you think. And this is all it matters at the end. So i will be wiith a opinion that creat a platform where everyone can share their ideas.
Definitely not,
All professionals are the students in their past and students are the professionals of future..
so, Its not a fair idea to build a group only for professionals.
Will it be good, only if the professionals be communicating each others ?
Never and ever..
Professionals are the one who must give the right path to the young budding professionals
Dr. APJ said " students are the countries future"
So, how does it comes true..?
Build a group for both professionals and students..have interaction between experienced and fresh minds..There raises a new technology and also paves the way for future professionals.
I think it would not be a very wise idea. Since majority of the young budding researchers are indeed in immense need of valuable research guidance from the experts/ professionals. So creating a separate group for professionals would bifrget their attention and young researchers would be deprived from healthy precious guidance. And after all, today's young budding researchers seeking guidance would turn Professionals tomorrow in respective fields and would pass on the knowledge gained, to complete the chain of knowledge. Science is all about Sharing ultimately..
Thanks.
Its not a good idea,every little knowledge is important,i mean a student is a solution to professional as professional are a solution to students and if you leave us who will inspire,motivate and guide us.you are our light that shine were we haven`t yet stepped.
This question should not have been asked. I believe professionals were also students sometime in their life. Most of the work done by professionals are as a result of help they get from students and others...Professionals cannot work in isolation. Well this is my opinion.
The advocates of vouching for only professional to put their views should define the word 'professional' whom w will they call a professional
Even Ph.D. scientists will occasionally need to learn a new technique or troubleshoot an old one. In that regard, we are all students. We are also responsible for modelling good scientific research practices and behaviours. This site originally attracted me because I felt it upheld those ideals of science: open, honest communications among researchers. In that regard, it is one of the most beneficial resources for students, though I suspect it is under-utilised. I am proud to be able to point to this site as an excellent example of worldwide collaboration and communication among scientists, and I would not prohibit any students from reading, contributing, and asking.
Thanks with regards ms. Kristina Steel. The point is whom do you define as professional. As for me I have been in Maths stream I retired as Principal. Only after ;my retirement that I studied biotech that too in my spare time. Of course I got one of my book published in America, which you may check at the site
I definitely not agree with this kind of proposition, mostly because of the way student are perceived. Students don't need a "long passion" to be passionate. And even if they are most of the time at the bench, learning, this does not mean that they can't have idea about collaboration, projects, or as Xuebo Hu says : just HAVE an idea, which is really disdainful, and insulting. Be careful with student, they represent the future of science !
A small region of brain contains millions of neurons and through the jugglery and the dance of these workings of living beings depends. The transmission lines are made of dendrites and axons. The neural network has three building blocks a) transfer function, b) neural connections. The functional working of these give rise to memory, thinking,emotions and learning. How these functions of neurons specifically pertain to a particular specific behavior of am individual is attributed io where I am interested and hope allthe learned members of this group will put their views and that can be discussed.
It is just a platform to impart knowledge... If we cannot give any thing to the present and the future generations, it is meaningless
We should discuss about succession in the professional world. Among the professionals some are middle aged and yet others are really old. Who and where do we train the young aspirants to become professionals. We need a club of interested individuals irrespective of their ages. By interacting with the oldies they sharpen their interest and deepen their experience to graduate into real professionals. Imagine having a club for heavy drinkers only who will die of alcoholism shortly. Who will be drinking thereafter? New recruits are essential for continuity.
Are not ideas and collaborations interesting also for students?? I don´t find a good idea to exclude young scientists (who will be in the future professionals) from that...
I think this discussion has turned into a mass demonstration of self-righteousness rather than a consideration of the idea. Yes, some students have good ideas; yes, students need to be trained. But many students are just trying to get an answer for an assignment that is due the next day. A real discussion would acknowledge this, and discuss whether this had become a problem or not on ResearchGate, and ask whether it was practical to make a professionals-only forum, and whether some other action might have the desired effect.
Dear all..I agree with Mr. Manfred
in my opinion too we should only discuss practical aspects of science on 'Researchgate' ....there are many other 'Social networking sites' ..for discussing many of the issues raised above...
I support Ajay and Manfred's comments. I enjoy 'ResearchGate' network by virtue of its scientific contributions from researchers all over the world. I guess it would discourage some concerned scientist when core scientific research findings/ideas are not discussed!.... Machebe
Dear All,
In my view we should include students with professionals. It is true that some students ask questions in which they find problems while completing the task. But there are are many students who are realy interested to share some ideas with the professionals. Nobody knows sometimes brilliant and crude ideas from young minds may prove rewarding. therefore we should not ignore them
Will it be nice if we build a group only for professionals?
Quando a espécie humana deixou registrados desenhos nas paredes das cavernas esqueceu-se de assinar a tela, Mestre australopitecus, Neandhertal, a caverna não era a tela impressionista, nem sombras de um Matisse ou da Vinci, mesmo hoje no século XXI, 2012 não sabemos que foram os autores, mas deixaram lá para que milhares de anos houvesse uma situação e alguém resolveu registrar.
Procuraram por uma Polaroid, mas não sabiam conversar talvez nem linguagem existisse e poderia ser aquilo quem sabe o inicio de querer rabiscar alguma coisa para ele mesmo ou para outros, não deveria existir muitos artistas naquela mesma época, pois não há varias figura nos mesmos lugares talvez tenha sido feito por um solitário, ou por alguém que tenha tido uma experiência a mais, registrou... Sei lá pra que - se ele era muito futurista deixou para descobrirmos e pensarmos no século I, X, XXI... – ou ele saiu para tentar encontrar uma Polaroid.
Mas a imagem ficou e hoje através da escrita podemos fazer n dissertações, descobrirmos pelo carvão do fogo que foi aceso determinar a quantos milhões de anos foi feito pela pesquisa com o C14, os autores são desconhecidos, pelo jeito não encontraram a tal Polaroid ou celular que fotografe com 16 mgpixel. E ai fica uma pergunta nas cavernas qual era realmente a intenção do autor... Poderemos já ter descoberto e termos esquecidos, alguém precisou fazer. E o fez.
Então me sobram muitas perguntas. Aquele que pintou nas cavernas quis deixar para alguém alguma informação e ali ela ficou chamamos de rupestres. Milhares de sábios antes de Champollion, devem ter visto que sabe montaram ai um grupo de discussões, se houve um grupo de discussões poderiam ter aprendido se comunicar, trocar aprendizados e assim mais uma vez começamos a desenvolver. Uma linguagem uma escrita, ou sabe deliberaram em assembléia que poderia ser nos próximos tempos, século, I, XX, XXI hoje já existem os tablets seria mais fácil.
O que ficou de bom de tudo isto alguém lá atrás no velho e longiguo tempo e espaço resolveu faze uma arte e daí nasceu à ciência, Arte e Ciência, sal duas coisas mesmo que rupestres não vivem separadas, é uma exclusividade dos seres humanos, com capacidades de criar o visto do não visto e criar do ainda não criado.
O que seria do aprendiz, se não houvesse o Mestre?
O que faria o Mestre sem aprendiz?
Respondendo a sua pergunta se não deveríamos criar um grupo só para os entendidos e deixarmos os que pouco sabem ainda de fora, qual é o seu medo o Aprendiz se tornar Mestre, sinto muito em te anunciar, mas isto já foram feitas varias vezes, por isso chegamos ao século XXI, se haverá muitos outros eu não sei, se os seres humanos não acabarem destruindo a tudo e a todos talvez restem as pinturas rupestres, onde você poderá começar sozinha (0) o futuro da humanidade ou só o seu futuro se você sobreviver.
Esta chama ardente que te assola não é ciência é simplesmente um egoísmo sem tamanho jamais previsto pelo pintor da figura rupestre.
Cordialmente
Orandio Anselmo Dourado, ainda convivendo com os, ditos seres humanos.
Let us restrict restrict ourselves to scientific issues. It does not matter who starts the discussion as long as it is interesting and informative. It is also a good idea to keep in mind that this is not a social media. Once an opinion is expressed, it cannot be taken back. Please take an extra moment to make it clear to everyone and accurate.
Quero deixar claro, que termos um canal somente para nos "cientistas" não importando o grau ou o termo e o tempo que se dedicam.
A ciência nunca foi fechada em si mesma senão não haveria evoluído.
E para finalizar conheço um mestre e um aprendiz, que pela lógica o mestre já foi um aprendiz.
Please try to march forward hand in hand with younger generation to give proper guidance and knowledge shaing for the good of mankind and scientific progress. May we share our previous experiences, findings and archives we had learnt from our previous generations so that they can get the maximum achievement.
yes i agree with Win Maw. I am also a M.Sc. biotech student and i know very well that what we students need from experienced persons like u guys...
(Please try to understand..)
We must encourage Young Minds! they have innovative thoughts we as seniors should mentor and share our experiences!! It will refine their ideas!!
It is a part of nature law: The professionals grow older and new generation should take over. Who will take the place? Some students! Lets contribute by making them better professionals...
Students can also make us better professionals........It`s better to stimulate mixed groups; different ages, different countries, different experiences, different points of view, so that new ideas can flourish and also original ways to resolve problems.
As a professor at UC Berkeley, I find it very refreshing to work with undergrads - they do not have pre-conceived notions and ask "out-of-the-box" question in our weekly research meetings. In fact, an interesting project grew out of a question from one undergrad during one of our meetings.
Sharing ideas only among professionals of a particular field doesn't make sense.this will slow the development of budding professionals i.e. Students(especially) and scholars who are trying to mark in a field.
Getting opportunity to guide students in project work while being scholars is a great experience.
The students I meet through my work are extremely bright and motivated. I fail to see the advantage of excluding them from scientific or collaborative discussions.
irony ---> you want an elite group??? with the top of the top in Science??? they don't have time to be in these discussions groups, They travel a lot to make scientific presentations in conferences... :)))))
noa fernado!, Nao quero e nao acredito que esta tentativa vai vingar, eu sou contra elites o pensamento é livre e a criaçao segue a mesma liberdade, tudo que sabemos hoje, é uma amontonado de informaçoes de muitos que nem seguer tem o seu nome escrito na historia da ciencia, como TESLA, morreu na pobreza e agora esta aparecendo o seu nome, rstes sim sao a historia da ciencia o cerne e o amor incondicional, numa da minhas conversas com Mario Schemberg, eu era jovem ele ja estava nos seus ultimos anos de vida, aprendi que quando estavamos no s dois podriamos falar tecnicamente, mas bastava entrar qualquer pessoa e nos começcavamos a falar de jeito que a outra pessoa podia tambem participar, e é isto que eu quero uma licao paa todos e seres humanos melhores e maisconscientes, que sera e deverá ser para o bem da humanidade. Einstein esqueveu que a PAZ seria a melhor forma de nos sentirmos realmente humanos e assim que continuo acreditar, abraços cordiais. orandio
Not cool: this is over-generalized, and falls into an elitist "cream of the crop BS" category. I've never heard anything more arrogant and this is completely inappropriate. Don't you ever say anything like this here again! You know better than this! Further, I won't even begin to state the errors in your grammar as it's written in a completely unprofessional matter. So think about whether or not you would fall into the "professional" category. I'd like to see a response from you if you have the audacity to try. Prove that you're a professional.
Everyone deserves a shot to try out science, and to have an open-discussion. Unmotivated, not curious students would not likely to be here anyways. It's folks like you that make people fearful of not trying. Some people don't try science because of intimidating folks like you. Yesterday was 3/14, and Einstein was a great example of someone who kept @ science despite "professionals" saying he would amount like nothing. We all make mistakes, which is part of the learning process. You too were once in the position of having to learn new things in order to figure something out.
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