Ijaz, hell and heaven are ancient ideas that appear to have originated in Mesopotamia/but hell itself is or was connected to the idea of an underworld where the dead, the famous dead, went to exist as shades or shadows. The underworld seems to be a very old concept connected to burial, caves, and a distinct region beneath the earth. The punishment tropes accorded to hell probably occurred much later and may have arisen during the early Christian era. These are religio/political notions mainly concerned with population control.

In essence they of course have nothing to do with science, although the underworld paradigm is anthropological (as with heaven on high, identified with the sky). The first heavens were a mountain lived on by Sumerian gods and Dilmun where it was also posited by ancient Sumerians. The idea of the good going to heaven seems to come from the Zarathustra religion.

Ijaz, hell and heaven are ancient ideas that appear to have originated in Mesopotamia/but hell itself is or was connected to the idea of an underworld where the dead, the famous dead, went to exist as shades or shadows. The underworld seems to be a very old concept connected to burial, caves, and a distinct region beneath the earth. The punishment tropes accorded to hell probably occurred much later and may have arisen during the early Christian era. These are religio/political notions mainly concerned with population control.

In essence they of course have nothing to do with science, although the underworld paradigm is anthropological (as with heaven on high, identified with the sky). The first heavens were a mountain lived on by Sumerian gods and Dilmun where it was also posited by ancient Sumerians. The idea of the good going to heaven seems to come from the Zarathustra religion.

Hi Stanley,

I am not sure exactly what you seek us to discuss here; whether Hell and Heaven exist, who goes there, the history of?

Which ever the case, there is so much that can be discussed with varying ideas flying around. Some argue that this is from ancient religions even before Christianity or other current religions, others argue that this is borrowed from Greek Mythology etc. Thus, some reject both notions as not true or worth believing or upholding.

I however tend to believe that these could be true places, whose location cannot be ascertained for sure.

I hope this adds some flavor to the discussion.

Cheers!

Well, the moment one is bone into this realm of life, he or she leaves for ever as the scriptures declared. However, this body which help us to contact this physical realm will expire time to come, but the spirit and the soul never dies but have only two destination: Heaven or Hell. Heaven is a place for Righteous Souls washed by the Blood of the Lamb who is also the first begotten of God. (Heb 12:23 say "To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect",)

Hell on the other hand is a place of horror and suffering eternally where you wouldn't even wish it for your enemies. Emphatically, it is separation from God and his goodness for ever. But we all have a choice. God has made a way by Giving us His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believe will not perish but have everlasting live. Don't wait and get there before you asked for one more chance to come back to make amends, do it now before its too late. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is a well-known parable of Jesus appearing in the Gospel of Luke 16: 19-31. The Gospel of Luke tells of the relationship, during life and after death. God Bless u all.

Billy, Greek mythology appears to have been borrowed from Mesopotamian civilisation, which after all was immeasurably older. As for their being a place, a definite location, well the mind perhaps. We all carry them around with us to some degree.

Sania, how on earth can we possibly know?

@Ijaz Ahmad

There is a way to prove Hell and Heaven (its a concept discussed under modal Realism)

- Perfect Good world is a possible world

- Perfect Evil world is a possible world

I have written in great detail on these topics and Arguments against Atheism.

Argument from consciousness is what Stanley wilkin is denying.

If I can prove "Immaterial" exists, I will be able to prove that there are realities beyond the world of science.

Anyways, its logically and rationally possible to prove that there exists realities beyond the existence we experience (this all is a debate of Philosophy and Theology).

I have attached an image with this writing, where I equated evil free and good free world as existence possible.

PS: These arguments are in a concise details, uploaded in my profile page (Arguments against atheology and atheological arguments critiqued), you can download and read if you want, but please make sure, you get familiar with basics of rational thought

Ijaz Ahmad,

This looks like the Zoroaster position, which underlines the Judaic, Christian and Islamic notions.

God knows! This is the question of all ages and times.