It's not completely related to your question, but I feel can be beneficial to extend EGO.
Killing Ego to Kill Evil
" Axiological Psychology is a new way of thinking. Looking beyond ego and evil, it offers two strategies for spotting evil before it finds you. 1. The first strategy involves killing ego to kill evil. 2. The second strategy involves defining good. Futuristic? No completely! Science fiction? Definitely not! I'll let you decide if thinking about these approaches can benefit you in any way. Space doesn't permit me to go into both now, and so I'll present the first and return to the second later.
Norway was recently the scene of murderous evil when Anders Behring Breivik went on a rampage shooting 77 young people on an isolated vacation island. He was caught, diagnosed psychotic and judged legally insane. He appears to have suffered from a molecular brain disease plus a mind disease, where ego produced paranoid delusions and an obsessive anti-Muslim ideology. Together, these conditions produced the perfect storm empowering evil behaviors. Borrowing the analogy of the sail boat, his brain disease is "wind in the sail," while ego grips the "tiller" giving the boat direction. Is it possible that without ego Breivik might have sought help for the more easily treated "wind in his sails," if only to feel better?
Forms of Ego
For our purposes, we are addressing two kinds of ego: self-ego and the defensive-ego. The first concerns "who we are." The second defends against threats to both egos so as to maintain the sense of the adequate, competent, and familiar self. This eternal struggle of ego can produce tensions enabling evil and it is rendered more likely in the presence of molecular brain disease fanning the flames. Is it necessary to kill both egos to kill evil? Yes!
Killing Ego to Kill Evil
Psychologists and philosophers have long speculated about the nature of ego and evil, but few have ever discussed the relationship between them and none from the perspective of science. Scientists have been inclined to reject both concepts as obsolete because their surplus meaning makes them confusing. Freud saw ego as self-direction. Axiological psychology sees ego as self-valuation, and focuses on values as the building blocks of both ego and evil. As such, evil is never seen as supernatural; rather it is seen as naturalistic.... "
Conclusion
Personhood or self is too complex to be judged, measured or given a report card. Doing so merely distorts the reality one's existence in ways that can enable acts of evil. Freud believed the individual achieves mental health when he follows the rule "where id was, there shall ego be." Axiological psychology endorses Ellis' 1972 revision of Freud's rule to read "where ego was, there shall the person of infinite value be."
You can follow this link know more:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beyond-good-and-evil/201112/killing-ego-kill-evil
Ego is ‘I am’!
The ego is an identity of our own construction, an identity which is false. If we take all the beliefs of what we are – beliefs about our personality, talents, and abilities – we have the structure of our ego. These talents, abilities and aspects of our personality will be attributes of our skills, but the mental construct of our “self” is artificial. And while this description might make the ego seem like a static thing, it is not. Rather, it is an active and dynamic part of our personalities, playing an immense role in creating emotional drama in our lives.
Id, ego, and super-ego are the three parts of the psychic apparatus defined in Sigmund Freud's structural model of the psyche; they are the three theoretical constructs in terms of whose activity and interaction our mental life is described.
According to this model of the psyche,
--- the id is the set of uncoordinated instinctual trends;
--- the super-ego plays the critical and moralizing role; and
--- the ego is the organized, realistic part that mediates between the desires of the id and the super-ego.
The super-ego can stop one from doing certain things that one's id may want to do.
http://www.pathwaytohappiness.com/happiness/2013/02/26/what-is-the-ego/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego
To Kill the Ego or Not Kill the Ego, That is the Question.
"...With its ego, and its higher self, in a unified whole, no longer separate. When one acknowledges to have ego is to be human, then and only then, can one chose to live from a higher place of existence, from the higher self perspective. That does not mean, death to the ego, for there is nothing to kill. It means not allowing the ego to be in command any longer, to no longer allow it to run a muck in your life and hence affecting the lives of others. Do acknowledge the times the ego did take control. Forgive the ego for those times. Non forgiveness in the sense that there is something wrong with what it did, or a judgement that there is something “wrong” one can do it the first place, but forgiveness in the sense of “For Giving” yourself the peace that comes with viewing that it is all an experience...
...Therefore, it is not to be free of the ego. It is to be free, to just be. Be with the oneness of it all, with the oneness and integration of both you ego and your higher self. The key is to acknowledge both drivers are on board."
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2012/01/04/to-kill-the-ego-or-not-kill-the-ego-that-is-the-question/
It's not completely related to your question, but I feel can be beneficial to extend EGO.
Killing Ego to Kill Evil
" Axiological Psychology is a new way of thinking. Looking beyond ego and evil, it offers two strategies for spotting evil before it finds you. 1. The first strategy involves killing ego to kill evil. 2. The second strategy involves defining good. Futuristic? No completely! Science fiction? Definitely not! I'll let you decide if thinking about these approaches can benefit you in any way. Space doesn't permit me to go into both now, and so I'll present the first and return to the second later.
Norway was recently the scene of murderous evil when Anders Behring Breivik went on a rampage shooting 77 young people on an isolated vacation island. He was caught, diagnosed psychotic and judged legally insane. He appears to have suffered from a molecular brain disease plus a mind disease, where ego produced paranoid delusions and an obsessive anti-Muslim ideology. Together, these conditions produced the perfect storm empowering evil behaviors. Borrowing the analogy of the sail boat, his brain disease is "wind in the sail," while ego grips the "tiller" giving the boat direction. Is it possible that without ego Breivik might have sought help for the more easily treated "wind in his sails," if only to feel better?
Forms of Ego
For our purposes, we are addressing two kinds of ego: self-ego and the defensive-ego. The first concerns "who we are." The second defends against threats to both egos so as to maintain the sense of the adequate, competent, and familiar self. This eternal struggle of ego can produce tensions enabling evil and it is rendered more likely in the presence of molecular brain disease fanning the flames. Is it necessary to kill both egos to kill evil? Yes!
Killing Ego to Kill Evil
Psychologists and philosophers have long speculated about the nature of ego and evil, but few have ever discussed the relationship between them and none from the perspective of science. Scientists have been inclined to reject both concepts as obsolete because their surplus meaning makes them confusing. Freud saw ego as self-direction. Axiological psychology sees ego as self-valuation, and focuses on values as the building blocks of both ego and evil. As such, evil is never seen as supernatural; rather it is seen as naturalistic.... "
Conclusion
Personhood or self is too complex to be judged, measured or given a report card. Doing so merely distorts the reality one's existence in ways that can enable acts of evil. Freud believed the individual achieves mental health when he follows the rule "where id was, there shall ego be." Axiological psychology endorses Ellis' 1972 revision of Freud's rule to read "where ego was, there shall the person of infinite value be."
You can follow this link know more:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beyond-good-and-evil/201112/killing-ego-kill-evil
Hm, let's first observe that greater egoism people are those who blame egotism!
Human behavior is not so natural as scientists should want.
Take for example all those 'modern prophets' who are blaming all of us for this and that...
Have you ever noticed
- how much do they charge for their "services"?
- how strong 'egos' they are?
So, my 5 cents contribution is this:
- let's look how we should decrease our own egotism first...
Ego may be the expression of the failure to identify the self with the universe of the creation. Ego may also be an existential ignorance. But ego is a survival instinct, anyway.
FAILURE PERSONS ..... ARE EGOISTIC
JEALOUS PERSONS ALSO FOLLOW THE SAME ROAD MAP.
the answer to this question can be perceived from two angles, 1) spiritual angle and 2) worldly
Spiritually : the feeling of very 'existence' is ego. ' I am' itself is an ego. In indian philosophy there are different ways of ' transcending' this ego based on the temperament of the human being. the paths are devotion and knowledge. Enough literature is available on these two fundamental paths.
Worldly: it is the mistaken identity of the self. living with the mistaken identity in the illusion-nary world created by mere perception.
“Ego is the immediate dictate of human consciousness.” – Max Planck
http://themindunleashed.org/2015/04/what-is-the-ego-and-why-does-it-make-us-suffer.html
I think the question should be reversed because being egotistical is natural.
Ego is positive part of human beings which differentiate it from rest of the beings
.Ego becomes a negative trait when the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one's own attributes go over the top and results in a narcissistic personality!
If god created human beings (since that is what majority of us belive) with ego, it has to be for the benefit of human race and not otherwise!
So the essence is to channelize your ego-centrism towards positive outcomes
regards
rathish
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
"You've got to recognize, there will never be another you. It has nothing to do with ego; it happens to be the truth. There will never be another person the same. There'll never be another you."
----- Mickey Rooney
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
"Ego - The False Center
..."The ego is an accumulated phenomenon, a by-product of living with others. If a child lives totally alone, he will never come to grow an ego. But that is not going to help. He will remain like an animal. That doesn't mean that he will come to know the real self, no.
The real can be known only through the false, so the ego is a must. One has to pass through it. It is a discipline. The real can be known only through the illusion. You cannot know the truth directly. First you have to know that which is not true. First you have to encounter the untrue. Through that encounter you become capable of knowing the truth. If you know the false as the false, truth will dawn upon you.
Ego is a need; it is a social need, it is a social by-product. The society means all that is around you - not you, but all that is around you. All, minus you, is the society. And everybody reflects. You will go to school and the teacher will reflect who you are. You will be in friendship with other children and they will reflect who you are. By and by, everybody is adding to your ego, and everybody is trying to modify it in such a way that you don't become a problem to the society."....
Please, see the link...
http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm
"An empty vessel makes much noise" that's the reason behind ego. If we are full of virtues, ego vanishes automatically. Thanks...
Nabonita,
The ego represents one's identity. A baby is totally egotistical. As one matures one recognizes and accommodates the needs and desires of others as well as one's own desires and needs. If a person remains in an immature state, he/she is forever locked in the prison of egotism. However, since ego equates with identity, it is a natural and important aspect of human existence.
Not only Money.I think in every case Ego arise with some Human unnecessarily to having credit to himself also.and with Over Confidence to do anything..Behalf of desires of others as well as one's own desires and needs
The ego starts in a person, regarding anything ( like money,qualification, position etc..) , only when he get it without any efforts. A real achiever will usually don't have ego. We can see more number of egoistic people in the recent days, Because everything is becoming a commodity, even including qualifications, which any one who has money can buy.
Socoi-economic and environmental condition of Junglemohol,West Bengal,India
In generally when economic and social condition varies from man to man ,then ego arries to man who is less advanced.It is the basic .
Ego, and Our Egocentric Lives!
"The great questions about ego and our egocentric lives are:
‘What is ego?’
‘Why are we humans so egocentric that our competitive selfishness and aggression has all but destroyed the world?’
‘Can our ego ever be satisfied at some fundamental level so that we humans no longer have to be egocentric and preoccupied trying to prove ourselves all the time?’..."
http://www.humancondition.com/ego/
If you think you are small fry, then you do not have ego. If you think you are bigger than your size, you have ego.
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
"Founders need sizable egos to believe that what they are creating is good enough to change the world. What makes for great co-founders is having those egos focused on complementary, not competing, skills."
---- Jay Samit
Every needs have an adequate piece of EGO in his/her life.
But just adequate :-)
What is it adequate - it is another question already :-)
EGO is the glow in a person but it hurts others eyes. Hence it is better to make it as dim and less hurting for not getting severely hit by others in the society if one really does not want conflict and coercion.
If we have less concerned with humanity then our EGO will grow at every moment.
Our mind remains busy all the time it never get tired only that mind requires a change for the thinking process . For every human beings our mind is an energy force to carry out our activities & performance of our working environment.
It is this performance of our mind & the brain which makes us the power of our intelligence,& understanding . This base help us to process the foot way of our life line.
Intelligence & understanding are different from person to person & as such no human beings are equal in intelligence ,knowledge & personality . This claims an individual standing in the family ,in his social standing & also his working environment .
EGO is a very narrow element in human life as it has direct influence with his conscious mind also . A person with an outlook of EGO moves in ivory tower forgetting the basic fact that their are quite good many person who are much more better place ,highly intelligence & have their own contribution which has been recognize by other also . With this a person with an EGO moves in his surrounding as a person with standing due to his EGO among his own group ,society & the family.
This is my personal opinion
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
All bad qualities centre round the ego. When the ego is gone, Realisation results by itself. There are neither good nor bad qualities in the Self. The Self is free from all qualities. Qualities pertain to the mind only.
----- Ramana Maharshi
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
Today self-consciousness no longer means anything but reflection on the ego as embarrassment, as realization of impotence: knowing that one is nothing.
----- Theodor Adorno
Ego -you go me go
Ego is ‘I am’. Whatever you believe to be ‘I am’. You are egoistic. ‘I am Great’ is Ego, and ‘I am nobody’ is also Ego.
Whenever you use ‘I am’, that becomes a statement of Ego. But we think that when someone talks big about himself or someone holds big notions about himself only then he is displaying Ego. No!
Whenever I hold a notion about myself, the notion itself is Ego. Whenever I hold an idea about myself, that idea is Ego.
My personal take on the ego is that it’s the part of us that feels the need to be special. It’s that part of us that seeks approval – and by very definition it is a part of us that feels lacking in some way. This is why I know that the ego is not my friend.
1.The ego is not just about arrogance.
2.The ego and inferiority.
3. Being right and the ego
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
“Great people have great egos; maybe that's what makes them great.”
― Paul Arden
Hazim,
You make an important point. The word ego comes from the Latin. It translates into I. Therefore, ego is essential to the identity of every person. I do not think that ego (I) kills people. However, egocentricity is harmful to humanity in that it interferes with human kindness and cooperation, and can lead to indifference and harmful behavior.
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
Ego stops you from getting things done and getting people to work with you. That's why I firmly believe that ego and success are not compatible.
---- Harvey Mackay
Hazim,
Are you confusing ego (identity) with egotism (self-absorption and self-conceit)?
One reason behind an exaggerated person's ego may be his desire to dominate at all costs.
“None of us is as good as we think we are.” – R. Angelo Feher
Ego refers to a person’s sense of self-esteem or self-importance...Over-inflated egos can be destructive...
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/your-ego-hurting-business-ron-feher?trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A577811291467825184073%2CVSRPtargetId%3A8131574692741200532%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary&trk=vsrp_influencer_content_res_name
To answer Nabonita's original question, ego is the Latin version for I. It is a personal identity not related to destructiveness. Can no one else see the difference between ego as an identity, as distinguished from egotism, an exaggerated sense of one's importance which when combined with narcissism can lead to destructive behavior?
Dear Prof. Valentine,
Good day,
I understand that:
ego = ego, arrogance, vanity, pride, bight, conceit
in one case, and understand it as :
ego = self, person, essence
Am I right or wrong? as you know my English is not that good (it is Rusty now a days!!)
Ego is ‘I am’.
‘I am Great’ is Ego
There are many different definitions of the ego, all of which can get quite complex. My personal take on the ego is that it’s the part of us that feels the need to be special. It’s that part of us that seeks approval – and by very definition it is a part of us that feels lacking in some way. This is why I know that the ego is not my friend.
The easiest way to determine if your ego is at play is to ask one of these two questions:
* Do I feel superior to others?
* Do I feel inferior to others?
If you answered yes to either of the above questions then it’s likely your ego is in the driving seat. This is because the ego is somewhat of a contradiction.
Here are my perceptions about EGO:
1.Ego = 1/ Knowledge is what Einstein quoted. That is if one is half knowledgeable, he/she will surely be egoistic.
2. Wise people do not appreciate persons with ego , they may say " Feed your ego, I am busy".
3. These three letters, often prevents form saying, I love you, I miss you and I am sorry.
4. Ego is only the requirement and good enough to destroy good relationships.
I forgot to mention the reasons for ego. Probable ones are;
*Assumption about one self.
*Wealth
*Positional power
Hazim,
Your English is excellent. Your mind is outstanding. The word ego comes from the Latin and it translates into I. Therefore taken by itself it merely applies to a person's identity. I believe many of the correspondents are confusing ego with egotism or egocentricity which are detrimental to positive human interactions, and can lead to destructive behavior. Please know that you have my profound respect.
Rajesh,
The Latin translation of ego is I. The Latin translation of I am is ego sum. The Latin translation of I am great is ego sum valde. These are totally different meanings. Again, ego by itself only elates to identity.
Valentine John Belfiglio sir
in hindi also ego means means "i am" (Aham). but if your saying something i will appreciate your views. thanks for writing.
Dear Rajesh,
Thank you for this interesting cultural distinction. This is why I love exchanging views on Research gate. In hindi "ego" means I am. In Latin "ego" merely means I. "Ergo sum" means I am in Latin. I wish there could be a universal language to avoid confusion and misunderstanding. I am sad that the Esperanto experiment failed.
Dear @Valentin, my small contribution to ego in different languages.
http://www.indifferentlanguages.com/words/ego
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
“Make your ego porous. Will is of little importance, complaining is nothing, fame is nothing. Openness, patience, receptivity, solitude is everything.”
― Rainer Maria Rilke
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
Each Warrior wants to leave the mark of his will, his signature, on important acts he touches. This is not the voice of ego but of the human spirit, rising up and declaring that it has something to contribute to the solution of the hardest problems, no matter how vexing!
---- Pat Riley
Ljubomir,
Thank you very much. I enjoyed the comparison.
Hazim,
Why do many cultures celebrate the warrior over the scholar? The warrior destroys while the scholar creates.
Egoism is the result of do not open our lifes/hearts to others. It could come from closing a person his life to God and his word. All good action of one has a good reaction in others.
Dear Prof. Valentine & Colleagues,
Good Day,
In the culture that I brought up in, we consider that the scholar is a great warrior in his field. He works day and night just to do his duty. He thinks, sweats, digs in the stone in his lab. He is same as any solider/ or normal warrior (ie we call the scholar here a warrior - as metaphor!! since he carries many hard burdens, brave enough to explore new ideas and frontiers in his scientific field.).
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
“The Ego is a veil between humans and God’.”
“In prayer all are equal.”
― Rumi
"Our ego is the part of our personality that loves manufacturing 'less than' experiences. Our ego feeds on fear, doubt and pain. The more we attach ourselves to our ego thoughts, the further we move away from our soul truth..." - Melanie Tonia Evans
http://www.melanietoniaevans.com/articles/ego.htm
Ego is the false protective layer which is always ready to sake your honor at any cost.
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
The main reason for ego is:
The egoistic person can't live a life like that person.
Supreme feelings about oneself, thinking that he is the only one who can do that and after got falsified he develops ego on the rival.
lack of expertise, skill and Inferiority complex is the main reason of ego. Such person avoid discussions and are never transparent in action.
Well in short the reason behind a person's ego is feeling alone, jealous and in some cases a person who has not achieved his love in a person or in any other thing. From ur second statement, yes ego kills humanity. When a person fails in love or in a particular thing then he tries the other also to not achieve that, which in turn leads to the statement of urs "Ego kills humanity"
Hello Nabonita and colleagues,
You asked the reason behind the ego - in my thesis I describe it in the following way:
"The Self and the self
Studying the development of the embryo brings new clarity to the self or Self, for it depends on the perspective from which one is looking. As developing embryos, life is beginning; the person is starting out. As individuals start to mature, they grow away from their cosmic origin in their heart. As the spirit consciousness or Self recedes, a new thinking entity develops which is later recognised as mind and along with this the ego is created. The growing individual develops the senses, which are tools to help understand the physical world in which he or she lives. Later using their rational mind the person often affirms that he or she is a purely physical being (Arka, 2003)"
From this perspective, it is natural that we form an "I ego identity". However there comes a time when many of us want to discover our true nature or Self - that is when we start to meditate or explore our inner world, looking for union once again with who we really are. Of course on this journey of inner discovery, we have to overcome our small ego identity or at least humble it.
I hope this helps,
Take care - Tina
Ego is the reflection of strong impressions made by the friction with the surroundings as confidence(changes in to over confidence) and resistance of the egoist.
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
If you want to reach a state of bliss, then go beyond your ego and the internal dialogue. Make a decision to relinquish the need to control, the need to be approved, and the need to judge. Those are the three things the ego is doing all the time. It's very important to be aware of them every time they come up.
---- Deepak Chopra
This is very good, related research question!
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Does_genuine_Knowledge_makes_your_ego_less
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
When someone considers himself/ herself much more superior, S/he tries to outshine and think no body can beat him/her.There ,Ego exists......
Dear Colleagues,
Good Day,
"Understanding What Ego Really Is
The biggest confusion for people who get into spirituality is with regards to their “Ego”. It’s common for spiritual people to consider Ego as negative; but in truth, it’s not Ego that’s negative but thoughts based in fear that are negative. Ego is Ego; it’s not negative or positive. What you “think” determines whether you are aligning with negative or positive. The way I define Ego is that it’s the structure in your brain that gives a “person” identity; it serves a very practical purpose for physical interaction of humans.
Bashing your Ego is just a movement of “negativity” in you, it’s not spiritual or “pure”, it’s just a negative pattern, and if you sense it you will know that it’s just “violence” within you. When you truly become rooted in the truth of your being, you will not find any problem with your Ego and you will allow it to play the “practical” part that it’s supposed to play in the movement of physicality. What is needed is that you stop identifying yourself as the Ego, and know yourself to be the “wholeness” or pure consciousness and then allow the Ego to do its part in the play of physicality.
Get rid of negativity, not the Ego
The root of suffering is identification with negativity/fear based thoughts. If you think low of yourself, it’s negativity, if you think low of others, it’s still negativity. Is it Ego that is thinking low of others? No, it’s just a negative thought pattern. Don’t confuse a negative thought pattern with Ego. The Ego is simply a structure of identity in the brain, and even the most enlightened person has this identity or he/she would stop responding when their name is called.
So stop talking about the Ego, and focus on letting go of negativity rather, because it’s the negative thoughts that create suffering for you and create negative realities in your life. A person who is rooted in positive outlook can be considered to have a “positive Ego” and a person who is rooted in negativity can be considered to have a “negative Ego”. So if anything, you might want to move towards having a positive Ego so that you are more in alignment with life."...
Please, see the link for the rest of the article...
http://www.calmdownmind.com/what-is-ego/
The main reason for ego is the feeling of alone, jealous,again alone. believe me people who had achieved their love won't ever show ego,because they know the happy part of life on the other side of coin the one who had never achieved anything will always feel Jealous towards other, and knowing that no one will give them that respect creates ego in them.
Ego is nothing but the feeling of loneliness coming out in a wrong way.
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