Informal discussions, advice given during meetings, advice given in referee reports could be seen as different forms of visible or invisible forms of supervision of students or collaborators. What is your opinion?
I think 'Giving advice' is when you give an advice to somebody who may or may not follow that advice.
However supervision goes beyond that in that you make sure that the advice given is followed and any breach would have consequences. Supervision is much more because it provides opportunities for delegation of responsibility, setting clear goals, take personal interest in progress and evaluate and recognize performance.
but then advice is imposed and there is no liberty of choice for those that received the 'imposed advice'.... Students become not more than followers in these conditions
I think advice is voluntary. When a student is given advice it would depend upon the context. If it is given to student about the curriculum or courses, is purely advisory in nature and the student may or may not follow that advice. However if that is related to the research or project work it will then become mandatory for student to follow and in such cases it becomes as you say 'imposed advice'. So in such cases we prefer to use 'Supervisor' rather than simply adviser as the nomenclature. A research adviser in reality is actually a research supervisor.
Advice - A proposal for an appropriate course of action
Supervision- The act of managing something. For example, the management by overseeing the performance or operation of a person or group.
Supervision has more authority and more responsibility than giving an advice. You give an advice and that's the end of your responsibility, you supervise , you make sure advice is carried out.
According to the American Heritage Dictionary the definition of “supervise” is “To manage and direct”, so I can see where giving advice (i.e. giving direction) fits into supervision; therefore, the difference might simply be related to when the supervisor is doing what, and the goal of the action at any given time. Based on the definition, there seems to be a symbiotic relationship between managing and giving advice in the context of supervision and any real differences might be guided by policy such as what kinds of advice a supervisor gives when an employee is being managed.
For example, if an employee’s work performance is being monitored or assessed by a supervisor and there are areas for improvement, the supervisor might give targeted advice on how to improve; in this case there is no difference between supervision and giving advice because the advice is related to the management aspect of supervision. However, if in that process of assessing or monitoring an employee’s work the supervisor gives the employee advice not connected to the job improvement or performance, then there is a difference between supervision and giving advice because the advice given does not fall under the management purview of the supervisory function.
Herewith some more points for discussion in the context of education:
1) If students have to learn to think independently or have to learn to make choices among different options (e.g. Supervisor A proposes solution A versus Co-supervisor B proposes solution B versus referee C proposes solution C) can advice always be imposed?
2) Perhaps there exist different supervision strategies taking f. i. personality profiles of students or collaborators into account giving people more or less liberty to make choices among different options. A supervision strategy might be to give the student or collaborator the liberty to make a choice. Supervisors might allow students or collaborators to make errors as a learning strategy.
Dear @Marcel, good discussion is ongoing. In your last contribution, you do speak about multiple supervisors case. The is about managing joint supervisors. Some good issues are given by following link, and also include Different styles of supervising,...,etc.
I do think that MUST BE liberty of choice for those that received the 'imposed advice'!
The key of successful supervision is 'scientific competence'
Examples in a research framework:
'Advice' can be very focused and provided by an expert A, for instance limited to a well-defined topic A. If students cover topic A, advice from expert A obviously becomes supervision when faculty members other than the expert are less competent in topic A, or not? Are researchers that focus on specific research topics, called specialists, better positioned for supervision of well defined topics than professors covering a much wider range of topics, called generalists (e.g. pointing out recent relevant publications, indicating when publications are wrongly cited, indicating biased literature searches, indicating what is novel or not, indicating competent referees for additional discussions, favouring integration in a scientific community, etc.)?
If competence is a deterministic factors in adequate supervision, referees of manuscripts from Master or PhD students should be considered as supervisors, or not?
Example:
Referees do not only have an impact on which manuscripts will be listed in a PhD thesis, but also will have an impact on how the study has been conducted or how the data were reanalyzed, or how the manuscripts are structured.
In daily life, each person gets advice from 'many' people influencing individual life-histories. This is also the case for students. I personally think that a Master or PhD thesis is supervised visibly or invisibly by more than 2 people. To me, indicating supervisors on the front page of a thesis report is old-fashioned and does not (always) reflect reality.
Dear @Marcel , quote :"indicating supervisors on the front page of a thesis report is old-fashioned and does not (always) reflect reality." is very true and I do very much agree.
In my country, there is no obligation for mentioning of supervisor on the front page!
This can be the case for referees judging and rejudging manuscripts from PhD students (giving advice, follow-up, managing, directing). And with referees there can be imposed advice; e.g. if the advice is not included in the manuscript it will not be published. Imposed advice on manuscripts therefore will leave (significant) traces in the PhD manuscript.
I am not so sure that advises given by referees can be regarded as supervision.
We sent a good article 6 years ago to a national journal and after about 8 or 9 months. We received a rejection decision.The reasoning was described in 4 words only: it is not a novel idea
If we search the literature, we will find at least 7 articles in high IF journals with the same quality as our rejected article . Should we call this supervision?.
You have as for referees 'stronger' and 'weaker' supervisors. In your case, I would have asked the referee why he/she was thinking the idea was not novel. Arguments to support the statement.
Cultural differences can certainly be a factor. In general, I see supervision as a formal relationship. Each person has expectations of what both people will do. It is an extension of the therapeutic relationship. On the other hand, I might give advice to some of my former doctoral students (who are now colleagues), or ask them for advice. Quite a few still take what I say in the same way they did when I was supervising them. As one person told me, "you will always be my mentor." While we want our students to become more and more independent, we all need a mentor; what they tell us is much more than advice.
Yes, there is an academic and clinical difference, but when we find "our mentor" what they tell us can go between advice and supervision at any given time. That is one way I know I have been effective.
Advice can be given freely but supervision needs personal time, thorough inputs and monitoring, advice need not be followed but supervisions need to be followed mostly by the followers.
thank you very much for your opinion. What is your opinion when following aspects are considered:
1) If students have to learn to think independently or have to learn to make choices among different options (e.g. Supervisor A proposes solution A versus Co-supervisor B proposes solution B versus referee C proposes solution C) can advice always be imposed?
2) Non-imposed supervisor strategies might be to allow students or collaborators to make errors as a learning strategy.
1) If students have to learn to think independently or have to learn to make choices among different options (e.g. Supervisor A proposes solution A versus Co-supervisor B proposes solution B versus referee C proposes solution C) can advice always be imposed?..................advice should never be imposed, and to the best advice reolving to solution or some novelty / utility need to be followed.
2) Non-imposed supervisor strategies might be to allow students or collaborators to make errors as a learning strategy.....Yes, it is the responsibility of supervisors to monitor always the progress and achievements, and impose some checks and barriers to correct any error / or its multiplication............ imposing also can be made in collaborative / cooperative efforts and directions with good understanding
I mean to say that supervisors can have cordial relations with their students --- and results would be ultimate
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Supervision serves an educative and supportive function. It is an opportunity to raise professional issues and gain further expertise. Supervision allows an individual to learn from their own experiences in working with consumers, review and debrief approaches to recovery-oriented support practices, and ensure that service delivery is following best practice standards. The supervisor must have skills to facilitate regular and systematic supervision. Supervision can be facilitated by an individual, in a group setting or in a triad, with an additional facilitator, to suit the size and culture of the organisation. Group supervision may be a more feasible option for smaller
or rural organisations.
However as advice does not include follow up it is included in supervision.
Supervision involves a Learning process also of/for those that supervise whereas advice does not involve a Learning process of/for those that give advice?
Super'vision' includes 'vision' and therefore 'observation' and therefore also Learning?
Supervision is a observation for the areas connected with the supervisor he sees observes , understands & with his movement in the areas he finds the working action of his connected members & subsequently he come in contact in person & on the basic of the observation he guides & helps so that the member connected with may carry out his action with the understanding & confidence.
Supervisor should add & also behavior under the friendly gesture so that his associated group may work in harmony with successive result.
Supervising is a specific job function whereby you monitor and provide feedback and direction on the performance of subordinate employees. This typically comes with a management title.
Giving advice in English might seem tricky at first. There are several ways to do it and each uses a slightly sentence structure. So, how do we choose which one to use? Find out with these five simple ways to give advice in English.
Dear @Saed, you were speaking about five simple ways to give advice in English, but there is no link. I do bring it.
The other link was also omitted. You should attach this links for your own sake in order to avoid plagiarism. This is my very friendly advice, as I did many times in past.
I think supervision is more complicated and detailed than just advice giving or consulting. It have wider responsibilities with more continuity and sharing of results and outputs.
I supervise my students for a project, I give advices to them. I check with them for their project progress. I have a responsible for their success in their projects.
Other students from other labs may also come to my office seeking advices. I give them advices as well. But, I don't supervise them for their projects, their advisors should supervise them.
By supervision, it usually involves giving advices. On the other hand, when giving advices to other people, you are not necessarily supervising them. This is what I think.
1. because it is a noun form, the verb form is '-vise'. I think that the suffix (-sion) of the noun form of 'supervise' is just coincidently make into a word 'vision'.
2. But, I guess we can make it into a pun and 'play on words'. So, word 'supervision' can sound like 'super-vision'. 'Vision' = being able to see.
It literally means "critical watching and directing". "Watching" means much more than "looking", as it entails having a critical, as well as a supporting, eye on the work process and progress. "Directing" means to not just give advise but to also guide the direction of the work in a profitable direction towards the goal of the project.
It's not as complicated as it sounds, Marcel: As a supervisor you direct and support a lot in the beginning, but after a while - as progress is made in the skills that the PhD student develops - you may direct less and less (when you start to feel comfortable), and allow more and more the student to take more control over the different parts of the research process.
Eventually, as we all know, the student is to be able to defend her/his PhD thesis in front of an opponent and a thesis committee, and also learn how to take care of referee reports on manuscripts, so before then the supervisor needs to enable the student to gain the confidence and skills that are needed to stand on her/his own feet.
It takes many, many hours of conversations, illustrations, debates, home work assignments, written and oral presentations followed by discussions, and allowing the student to test her/his abilities to deal with these upcoming challenges. Ideally the student submits one or more manuscripts for publication before the defense, and giving oral presentations at scientific conferences, thus enabling (some of) these skills to be tested well before the ultimate test - the PhD defense.
I believe that this path tests SOME parts of the ability of the student to work independently, but not all of course. Experience of several types of collaborations, of the PhD student supervising master students, for example, are other profitable ways for the PhD student to gain experience.
"1580-90; < Medieval Latin supervīsus (past participle of supervidēre to oversee), equivalent to super- super- + vid-, stem of vidēre to see + -tus past participle suffix, with dt > s; see vision, wit."
Supervision is like an umbrella activity where you are nurturing the talent. Shaping him or her under your perfect vision. Where as Giving Advice is subjective to nature where the receiver may or may not incorporate / follow.
Supervisors typically have an authoritative position over employees who are obligated by their job status to follow directions. Good leaders can inspire people to follow their vision and direction without formal title leadership. Supervisors have title authority over their employees but their ability to get cooperation and peak performance depends on their leadership qualities. Good supervising leaders are more likely to motivate followers to give their best.
Either giving advice, it mean an opinion or recommendation offered as a guide to action, conduct, etc.: I shall act on your advice.
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"Supervisors typically have an authoritative position over employees who are obligated by their job status to follow directions. Good leaders can inspire people to follow their vision and direction without formal title leadership. Supervisors have title authority over their employees but their ability to get cooperation and peak performance depends on their leadership qualities. Good supervising leaders are more likely to motivate followers to give their best..."
"an opinion or recommendation offered as a guide to action, conduct, etc.:
What is the difference between 'supervision' and 'giving advice'?
i think following are the differences:
Structuredness - "Supervision" is a structured process consists of many activities / tasks whereas "giving advice" is impromptu one-off task as and when needed.
Responsibility - Supervisor is to ensure periodical checkpoints / meetings conducted with supervisee, reviewing supervisee's progress, provide guidance relevant to the course of study & fill up progress report & forward to university. Advice giver has no such responsibility as supervisor - advice giver only providing advice when there is an issue / problem / question raised by any student & there is no formal responsibility to follow up.
Person who supervise / advise - Supervision is provided by assigned supervisor(s). Advice can be given by anybody.
Commitment - Supervisor is to ensure the supervision process is completed from e.g. month1 to 48 for a supervisee covering all the thesis chapters e.g. Chapter1 (Introduction) to Chapter5 (Conclusion). Giving advice is one-off at best effort basis depending on the help needed from a student.
Thesis & Viva Examination Involvement - Supervisor involves in the review of the thesis before final submission & attending viva examination for any clarification purpose. Advice giver is not allowed to do so.
Fee - Supervisors usually get paid for a fee for their time & effort. Advice giver usually don't get paid.
At my workplace a PhD student has a main supervisor. She/he is the main guide, and in particular is responsible for guiding and assessing the research work. The main supervisor is complemented by another expert, with a responsibility to make sure that - for example - the right PhD courses are taken and examined; hence, she/he is referred to as the examiner. Then there often is an additional co-supervisor, or even more than one, particularly if industry is involved. Many years ago it was however common that all of the above was done by just one person. Experience however clearly showed that there often is a need for a more rigid system, where the student and supervisor has support, in order to be able to avoid problems before they get too difficult to handle. For reasons like this there are nowadays enforced meetings with all involved, to assess whether things are going well, or some additional support is needed.
At my workplace a PhD student has a main supervisor. She/he is the main guide, and in particular is responsible for guiding and assessing the research work. The main supervisor is complemented by another expert, with a responsibility to make sure that - for example - the right PhD courses are taken and examined; hence, she/he is referred to as the examiner. Then there often is an additional co-supervisor, or even more than one, particularly if industry is involved. Many years ago it was however common that all of the above was done by just one person. Experience however clearly showed that there often is a need for a more rigid system, where the student and supervisor has support, in order to be able to avoid problems before they get too difficult to handle. For reasons like this there are nowadays enforced meetings with all involved, to assess whether things are going well, or some additional support is needed.
Supervision is the act of making sure that the given advice is taken up in its true essence and applied in an effective manner to ensure that the same is carried out for an expected outcome.