WHAT IS INFORMATION? WHAT IS ITS CAUSAL (OR NON-CAUSAL?) CORE? A Discussion. Raphael Neelamkavil, Ph.D. (Quantum Causality), Dr. phil. (Gravitational Coalescence Cosmology)
Questions Addressed: What is information? Is it the same as the energy or matter-energy that is basic to it? Is it merely what is being communicated via energy and different from the energy? If it is different, is it causally or non-causally different or a-causally? Is it something purely physical, if it is based on and/or identifiable to energy? What is the symbolic nature of information? How does information get symbolized? Does it have a causal basis and core? If yes, how to systematize it? Can the symbolic aspect of information be systematized? Is information merely the symbolic core being transmitted via energy? If so, how to connect systematically and systemically the causal core and the symbolic core of languages? If language is a symbolizing production based on consciousness and life – both human and other – and if the symbolic aspect may be termed the a-causal but formatively causal core or even periphery of it, can language possess a non-causal aspect-core or merely a causal and an a-causal aspect-cores? If any of these is the case, what are the founding aspects of language and information within consciousness and life? These are the direct questions involved in the present work. I shall address these and the following more general but directly related questions together in the proposed work.
From a general viewpoint, the causal question engenders a multitude of other associated paradoxical questions at the theoretical foundations of the sciences. What are the foundations of all sciences and philosophy together, upon which the concepts of information, language, consciousness which is the origin of language, and the very existent matter-energy processes are based? Are there commonalities between information, language, consciousness, and existent matter-energy processes? Could a grounding of information, language, etc. be helped if their common conceptual base on To Be can be unearthed, and their consciousness-and-life-related and matter-energy-related aspects may be discovered? How to connect them to the causal (or non-causal?) core of all matter-energy? These are questions more foundational than the former set.
Addressing and resolving the foundational question of the apriority of Causality is, in my opinion, the possibly most fundamental solution. Hence, addressing these is the first task. This should be done in such a manner that the rest should follow axiomatically and thus naturally. Hence, the causal question is to be formulated and then the possible ways of reflection of the same in mental concepts that may axiomatically be demonstrated to follow suit. This task appears to be over-ambitious. But I would attempt to demonstrate as rationally as possible that the connections are strongly based on the very implications of To Be. As regards language, I deal only with verbal, nominal, and attributive (adverbs and adjectives) words, because (1) including other parts of speech would go beyond more than double the number of pages and (2) these other parts of speech are much more complicated and hence may be thought through and integrated in the mainline theory here, say, in the course of another decade or more!
I have revised the lead-text. What constantly perplexes is the difference between causation in matter-energy, the nature of core mental activities, and the nature of language. Do the latter two have any connection with what the humanity has always termed 'freedom'? But is freedom causal or non-causal? These questions are very perplexing; but in my opinion, somehow a solution or solutions should be found.
R. Poznansky
,Any reason to say that "Thermodynamic information is not causal"? What do you understand by thermodynamic information? Anything physical, or totally different from physical?
"... but it does have a casual core only when it is intrinsic". What is this "intrinsic" thing that makes thermodynamic information have only a causal core, and not fully causal?
How do you clearly differentiate between intrinsic and extrinsic? This question is asked because you used 'only' with respect to 'causal core'.
Again, you said: "The evolutionary process is not via assembly but through interaction." What do you mean by assembly, as totally different from interaction? Is there any assembly of anything without interactions? Any specific example (not merely mention an example, but of course, show with reason!)?
"Assembly theory where the evolutionary organization is not self-referential cannot harbor consciousness." Who said that the assembly theory (without evolutionary organization) is being held by anyone? And if there is evolutionary organization, will not that be fully non-causal, or fully causal? What is it that makes evolutionary organization into something self-referential and does self-reference differentiate it from totally causal existence? Or, is it totally causal and additionally self-referential? What then is self-reference? Is it a non-causal activity without the physically causal action to effect self-reference?
For you, thermodynamic information is negentropy. What is negentropy? Is this non-causal?
What is for you the difference between thermodynamic energy and thermodynamic information / negentropy?
What is intrinsic information or whatever? Does it not involve time? Something can be intrinsic to anything, but should involve its own processual quantity of time. If intrinsic is just an observer-independent sense, then it belongs to our manner of sensing it or meaning something with it, etc. Right? Now, to tell you the fact, your statement that intrinsic means observer-independent sense give me more confusion than answer.
A holarchy is self-referential, as you said. Are conscious processes holarchical? Have there been experimental work and results on this? If there are, I am interested. Kindly suggest some books and articles in this.
From the reply of yours in the other discussion I read just now that "negentropically -derived Q means temperature dependent."
If it is temperature-dependent, what is the causal difference in conscious processes?
R. Poznansky,
"It should be noted that "complexity" is an observer-relative expression, as Raphael Neelamkavil incorrectly postulated to be crucial for causality."
But, for me, complexity is not crucial to understand causality. Anything existent has some complexity. But its grades are all to be measured depending on some scales. Whatever complexity is measured at any time, it is complexity of certain parts of a physical process, and not that of one whole existent processual thing. Hence, the observe-related nature of complexity that you mention is vague for me.
https://www.researchgate.net/post/LINGUISTIC_HERESY_BEHIND_SELF-ORGANIZATION_SELF-REFERENCE_INTENTIONALITY_PHYSICAL_AND_BIOLOGICAL_SELF-INTERACTION_etc
In my opinion, it is not important the defining of it, but its elaboration and the benefits from it.
Theodore John Drizis
Would you please tell me what the elaboration is?
In my opinion, elaboration is the cause with the beginning and the initiative, the origin, the content and the aim.
And this is a definition of "elaboration" from your part! And you said: "In my opinion, it is not important the defining of it"....!
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