May be You can find the answer on Your quations in these my papers:

1.Alexeyeva L.A. Newton’s laws for a biquaternionic model of the electro-gravimagnetic fields, charges, currents, and their interactions // Ashdin publishing.Journal of Physical Mathematics. 2009. Vol.1. Article ID  S090604.9 (in English)

2.Алексеева Л.А. Полевые аналоги законов Ньютона для одной модели электро-гравимагнитного поля //Гиперкомплексные числа в геометрии и физике. 2009. Т6. № 1. С.122-134 (in Russian)

May be You can find the answer on Your quations in these my papers:

1.Alexeyeva L.A. Newton’s laws for a biquaternionic model of the electro-gravimagnetic fields, charges, currents, and their interactions // Ashdin publishing.Journal of Physical Mathematics. 2009. Vol.1. Article ID  S090604.9 (in English)

2.Алексеева Л.А. Полевые аналоги законов Ньютона для одной модели электро-гравимагнитного поля //Гиперкомплексные числа в геометрии и физике. 2009. Т6. № 1. С.122-134 (in Russian)

Hello Anatoli,

See this link http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0212033

Is the difference in absolute value of electrostatic force between like and opposite sign electric charges an abserved fact or speculation ("what if")?  Who and where reported it?  Was this phenomenon confirmed by someone else?  I have never heard about it, at least in serious literature.

Dear Professor Anatolij K. Prykarpatski,

Thank you with your enlightening topic. Perhaps that already I had already earlier mentioned, many which you endorsed. However, I may emphasize that my derivation of Fifth Maxwell equation essentially considers mathematical relationship between gravity and magnetism, in that calculus equation much like the Four Maxwell equations of electromagnetism mathematically configures about how they are intricately connected together. Hence this equation will form the first of the six equation matrix grid of the quantum relativity, essentially help to find the metrics of time - uncertainty part. All these aspects, of course, I will like to present in the proposed North Polar Earth Physics conference that I have mentioned earlier. Hope that you will be interested as M.C. and that we can hold that international conference after world travel global warming science team studies. Earlier I have provided the websites that seeks your and sponsoring agencies support and encouragement, both technically and also financially asap.

Thank you with everything towards grand unified theory!!!!!

There is an analogy between the linealized field equations and Maxwell equations called Gravito-electro-magnetic Effects

Anatolij,

You might be interested in looking at the attached paper. It shows previously unrecognized connections (equations) between the electromagnetic force and the gravitational force. For example, equations 15, 16, 19 and 21 show that the gravitational force can be expressed as the square of the electrostatic force between charged particles. Also a symmetry is shown between the magnitudes of particle's gravitational force, particle’s electrostatic force and Planck force.

Chapter Spacetime Based Foundation of Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity

@John A Macken

Dear John,

thanks for your comment and attachment. It looks interesting! The core question is - what about the asymmetry between different signs charages interacyion?

Regards.

Anatolij,

You are attempting to explain gravity as resulting from an asymmetry between different signs of electrical charges. In the paper attached to my previous post it is shown that it is possible to derive both the Newtonian gravitational equation and the Coulomb law equation for from first principles which presume 1) that there is only one truly fundamental force which is F = P/c where P is the power of energy propagating at the speed of light and 2) that quantum mechanics implies that vacuum energy is waves in spacetime which produce Planck length modulations of the distance between points. A wave amplitude and impedance of spacetime is developed from these assumptions. The electrostatic force for Planck charge (coupling constant equal to 1) is obtained when the wave amplitude term is not squared and gravity is obtained when the wave amplitude is squared.  As explained in the paper, there was a prediction that gravity is a nonlinear effect that should scale with amplitude squared.  Since this prediction gives the correct answer for the gravitational force, there is no need to look for gravity from a charge asymmetry.  However, the paper does discuss that there should be a charge asymmetry in the explanation of the difference between positive and negative charge.  This discussion is on the last few pages of the paper.

To: Marek Wojciech Gutowski@

Dear Marek, these hypotheses and theories are old and well known for ages, and if you are really interested in the topic not formally, you can refer to the text attached at the very beginning:

"The idea of the electrical nature of gravitation expressed M. Faraday, John. Maxwell H. Lorentz, O. Heaviside and others. German physicists W. Weber and F. Zolner in 1882 proposed the concept of gravity, based on the difference between the forces of attraction and repulsion of electrical charges, which make up all of the body (the book of F. Zolner  «Erkliirung der universellen Gravitation», Leipzig, 1882). However, the physical reasons for the difference they have not specified. Much later, a possible cause of the excess power of attraction over the forces of repulsion expressed by Sir A. Eddington in his book "Fundamental Theory" (Cambridge, 1946, pp.103). He was guided by the principle of Mach: "Even in the simplest case, we obviously have to deal with possible action

just two particles, it is impossible to lose sight of the rest of the universe. " Electric field lines of the two charges of opposite sign extend from one charge to the next, and so this system is closed and is independent from the rest of the universe. The situation is different in the charge of one sign - here the lines of force go into space, ending up somewhere on the other sites. So naturally expected that the objects of the universe have some influence on the

interaction, reducing its strength."

The Lorentz article "Reflections on gravity" (Proc. Amst. Acad. 11, 1900, p. 559), and then Adamuti (I.А. Adamuti. Gen. Relat. and Gravitation. Proc. 1 Ехр. Gravitation Symp. Bucharest, 1980, p. 202) develop the electrodynamic theory of gravity. It like the mentioned model of Lesage, assumes some penetrating electromagnetic radiation influence on the body from all sides and partially absorbed by them, when this actioin is not compensated by pressure on the body of this radiation, which is partially screened by one side of the second body. Since the solid angle subtended by the body 2 by the body 1, is inversely proportional to the square of the distance r, the number of them is blocked by the particle radiation proportional to 11^-1 and as the number of absorbed particles is proportional to the mass, the gravitational force is proportional to the mass of bodies. Consequently, the theory provides the law of gravitation. Speed of gravitation, of course, is equal to the speed of light. However, the theory gives rise to having a large resistance to movement of bodies with oncoming flux, which is contrary to the experience: no slowing movement of the Earth and other celestial bodies in orbit rotation is observed.

Lyttleton and Bondi suggested a hypothesis of electrical nature of gravitation, based on the assumption that the proton charge slightly (by 10^-18) is greater than the charge of the electron. (R. А. Lyttleton, Н. Bondi. Gravity and Electricity. Proc. Roy. Soc, 1959, А252, p. 313) They managed to obtain the Newton's law, explaining the observed expansion of the universe, the Blacket law on the magnetic moment of the heavenly bodies and a number of other facts. However, the hypothesis refutes the direct measurements of the charge of the electron and the proton, which had proved that their difference is less than 10^-21. Despite this, the hypothesis of different tse charges of elementary particles put forward again and again (N.E. Zaev. "Electromagnetic mass and gravity nature". Journal of the Russian Physical-Mathematical Society, 1992, N2 1-12, p. 32).  The idea of the electromagnetic nature of gravity has been developing also by A.D. Sakharov, considering the latest results of the quantum fluctuations of fields. (A.D. Sakharov. "Vacuum quantum fluctuations in the curved spacetime and gravity theory". - Doklady AN SSSR, 1967, v. 177, p. 70). However, the quantum theory of gravity has not been completed and its evaluation is premature. According to A. Barut, gravity is not connected with the static and dynamic effects of electromagnetic and gravitational interactions caused by the electromagnetic radiation produced by the distortion of the structure of elementary charge in the presence of a massive body (А. О. Barut. Gravity and Electromagnetism. - Proc. 2 Marcel Grossmann Meet. Gen. Relativity, Trieste, 1979. Part А. Amsterdam, 1982, p 163). However, specific evaluations, allowing to confirm or reject the hypothesis are not presented."

Sincerely, regards!

The question you raise proves the weakness of postmodern physics that doesn't know to give an answer to a easy question. It is due to the fact that postmodern physics searches for grand theories but it neglects the primary aspect of physics that is the experimental aspect. Today the physical experimentation is made only in great experimental Centres that of course are not interested in banal experiments but they are interested in the discovery of big secrets of universe. You raise a simplest question: gravitational force would be only attractive while electrostatic force would be attractive and repulsive. No grand theory is able to give a certain answer to this question. The only method in order to solve this question is the experimental verification.

@Nelson Velandia

Dear Nelson, can you develop your comment in more details, as the theory you mentioned is not well known for a wide audience, I think.

Sincerely,

Anatolij.,

The analogy between gravitation and magnetism (magnetostatics) was put forward by Newton himself to justify the non-contact nature of gravity. He says (p.217): “Those propositions naturally lead us to the analogy there is between centripetal forces, and the central bodies to which those forces used to be directed; for it is reasonable to suppose that forces which are directed to bodies should depend upon the nature and quantity of the bodies, as we see they do in magnetical experiments”. Therefore, in rational mechanics that analogy is frequently taken up, in spite of the fact that in electrostatics & magnetostatics one usually defines both, positive as well as negative masses.

However, if you are looking for unusual explanations, there is another possibility of deriving gravity from electromagnetism. By defining relativity of simultaneity in the way the theory of relativity does, it really relies on measured signals. By Fermat's principle light follows the path of least time. Thus, mirrors' and lenses' images are received synchronously. But straight lines can appear as elliptical/hyperbolic curves, when they are imaged by mirrors or lenses. In the same way trajectories measured by their means can appear to be curved just by virtue of electromagnetic reception, without there being any mechanical force affecting bodies. In Machian formulation Kepler's law would than read: “Trajectories of two-body punctual systems are projective conics”.

I agree with the concept of analogy that regards different physical situations characterized by similar mathematical models, in which the model form is the same but physical quantities that are present are different. As per this definition it is easy to find many analogies in physics. Analogy nevertheless doesn't prove different physical situations have the same physical nature but it proves only dynamic processes of the two phenomena are characterized by similar differential equations. I have proved for instance in "Dynamics of motion in gravitational fields of first type" motion of a body with mass m into a gravitational field and motion of a charge with negative charge -q into an attractive electrostatic field generated by a positive charge +Q have similar mathematical models and therefore the two dynamic processes are characterized by an evident analogy. It nevertheless isn't  sufficient to say the two phenomena have the same physical nature. Solution of the two mathematical models shows in fact there are differences with regard to the physical behavior  of the two systems. The same is valid for other analogies.

Dear Daniel, 

You are right, yet ... you know well that any reasonable theory should satisfy either the principle of  verification or the principle of falsification, as it follows from the Occam's razor based approach to physical theories- "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem''.  So, if a theory, for instance,  fits well the falsification principle, it can be considered as a true one. This way, we   know, was also followed  by both  great Newton and Einstein - in this sense, Albert Einstein formulated his own principle of Occam's razor: "Everything should be simplified as far as possible, but no more". Concerning the gravity and electromagnetism - there is nothing to do about analogies, - the problem strictly lies in the physical backgrounds of the long distant attracting interaction  between the matter, its carriers and nature. Even more, if to have  read    more deeply modern quantum electrodynamics, one could find there very subtle results  about   long distant sign-independent vacuum polarization effect,  caused by a separate electric charge in its vicinity, and  the   radial dependence of the additional electric potential impact  is like 1/r-3    as the distance "r''  to the charge  tends to infinity. This, in particular, means that the observed long-distant electric forces between the same  and opposite signs charges are different. Anyway, this fact should not be simply  ignored by modern physics...

Sincerely, regards!

Dear Anatolij,

I agree, verification and falsification aren't in conflict, in spite of Popper. Experiments with positive result verify a scientific theory is exact. If only one experiment falsifies the theory, then that theory has problems.

My best regards.

Dear Anatolij,

I dealt with this question several years ago and my more detailed answer can be found at: arXiv: 1012.5763 [physics.gen-ph].

Basically, the amplitude of electric field generated by the positive charge of proton is proportional to function exp(k_p*r), where "k_p" is the amplitude of wave vector of wave associated (according to de Broglie's formula) to proton and "r" is radial distance from the particle. Analogously, the amplitude of electric intensity of electron is proportional to -exp(-k_e*r), where "k_e" is the amplitude of the wave vector associated to electron. It seems reasonable to suppose that the interaction happens in a certain, appropriate distance r=R_i, which satisfies k*R_i=omega*R_i/c=m/M_o ("k" is amplitude of wave vector in general, "omega" is corresponding angular frequency, and "c" is speed of light; it is approximated k=omega/c). Quantity "M_o" is "elementary electromass" calculated from a formal equality of Coulomb and Newton laws: G*M_o*M_o/r^2 = q_o*q_o/(4*pi*epsilon_o*r^2), where "G" is gravitational constant, "q_o" is the elementary electric charge, and "epsilon_o is permittivity of vacuum (all in SI units).

Since M_o ~ 2*10^{-9} kg, ratio m/M_o

Dear Anatolij,

All known kinds of interactions and transformations may be reduced to the electromagnetism, the physical science moves on this direction, as we known. Therefore, your question may have only a positive answer. Moreover, the value of gravitational constant (that we know  from measurements only) may be theoretically derived as electromagnetic characteristic of elementary particle. You can find it in the end (derivation of gravity constant) of the first article, here:

http://vixra.org/author/george_kirakosyan

 Best Regards

 George 

I subscribe L. Neslusan's conclusion "the orientation of gravity between the proton and electron is also positive, therefore its orientation is the same as that between the two charges of opposite polarities". I don't subscribe instead the other claim "The Maxwell equations most probably engulf also the force we know as gravity". This second assertion is subscribed also by G. Kirakosyan in the subsequent comment where nevertheless he replaces the value of probability with the value of certainty. Inter alias he writes also "the value of gravitational constant (that we know  from measurements only) may be theoretically derived as electromagnetic characteristic of elementary particle". I was impressed by "that we know from measurements only" that is instead the essence of physics and any theoretical derivation of gravitational constant has no physical meaning if it is different from the measured value. Besides it seems to me Kirakosyan's words contain a classical mistake of postmodern physics that identifies electrodynamics with electromagnetism.  Massive elementary particles are electrodynamic sytems and in particular conditions (acceleration, etc..) they can generate electromagnetic events characterized by electromagnetic particles.

It seems to me inadmissible that we are able to deduce for instance the law of gravitational attraction between Sun and Earth from Maxwell's equations whose object is completely different. For massive elementary particles (for instance one electron into the field generated by one proton) we can affirm certainly the total field and the total force between the two particles is given by the vector addition of the electrostatic field and of the force with the gravitational field and force  F=Fe+Fg.  For the same particles we have at any distance  Fe=2.3x1039Fg and therefore the gravitational force is altogether negligible with respect to the electrostatic force.

I think then the physical science doesn't move today only on one direction. In past century (20th) perhaps physicists searched for "reducing all known kinds of interactions to the electromagnetism"  but today we know that direction is only one of directions of the present physical research. There are today at least three directions of physical research: 1. "postmodern physics" that is in continuity with modern physics; 2. "neoclassical physics" that is in continuity with classical physics; 3. "contemporary physics" that moves on a new view of physics and on a new view of fundamental experiments and of fundamental theories.

Dear Daniele,

Thank you for comments and ref.to me.

1. You says - // I think the physical science doesn't move today only on one direction// - It only evidences about new confusions, as the truth can be on the one direction only. There are many evidences that it must be electromagnetic direction.

2. // any theoretical derivation of gravitational constant has no physical meaning if it is different from the measured value.// - The derived value of gravity constant exactly corresponds to actual (measured). Sorry however,my impression is for you is no big difference its value will be measured or derived.

3. // It seems to me inadmissible that we are able to deduce for instance the law of gravitational attraction between Sun and Earth from Maxwell's equations whose object is completely different.// - I understand from here that you perceived the gravity as the influence on distance. The main merit of GR however, that it removes the far action in generally ..but it is long history.

Regards,

George

Dear George,

I think before answering you would have to inform about new directions of research and above all you don't have the exclusive right in knowing which direction is right. Your last comment is a concentration of banalities derived by ignorance of my research for which you assign me concepts that don't belong to me as the concept of action at distance for the gravitational force that is instead a concept valid in classical physics. I thought you understood and  then I want to specify my direction of research is the "contemporary physics". Confusion isn't in the plurality of research directions but inside your same postmodern direction that caused the birth just of different directions of research.

Regards.

Daniele Sasso

 Dear Daniele Sasso,

I can be agree with you in one question - each of us are happy with the own religion and sure that others are wrong completely. It is the sad reality in nowadays physics.

With best wishes

George

There is a small problem.  The position of the Sun, as we see it  right now, is already a history.  If the gravity force, acting on Earth, was oriented exactly in this (slightly incorrect) direction, then after ~1300 years our Earth would land on the Sun.  Thus the "speed of gravity" seems much higher that that of electromagnetic interactions, perhaps it is even infinite.  This fact, in turn, strongly suggests very different origin of gravity and electromagnetism, no matter that there are some unquestionable similarities.

Dear George,

I want to specify that I accept your claim that "each of us has his own religion". Nevertheless you are able to verify I considered also viewpoints that I don't subscribe and not only my viewpoint. Anyway I agree that it would be desirable an unified view in physics but if it is not possible the plurality of ideas in the reciprocal respect isn't sad.

I agree then with Marek when he writes "this fact suggests very different origin of gravity and electromagnetism, no matter that there are some unquestionable similarities".

Best regards to all.

Since the 19th century, some physicists have attempted to develop a single theoretical framework that can account for the fundamental forces of nature - a unified field theory.

Classical unified field theories are attempts to create a unified field theory based on classical physics. In particular, unification of gravitation and electromagnetism was actively pursued by several physicists such as Faraday and Einstein. Einstein believed there was a link between the need to resolve apparent paradoxes of quantum mechanics and the need to unify electromagnetism and gravity. Classical unified field theories were unsuccessful, but we can unify quantum field theory with gravity by adjusting some concepts of quantum mechanics.

Today’s physics is outspread between macro and micro worlds. General Theory of Relativity very well describes Macro world, while Quantum Mechanics very well describes probability in micro world. But problem occurs when we want to unify these two theories into the one that would be able to describe each phenomenon in the Universe.

In standard model graviton is a massless with spin two. But same as photon, there are several experimental searches for massive gravitons that result an upper limits on the graviton mass.

To define graviton, let’s consider to a photon that is falling in the gravitational field, and revert back to the behavior of a photon in the gravitational field. When a photon is falling in the gravitational field, it goes from a low layer to a higher layer density of gravitons. We should assume that the graviton is not a solid sphere without any considerable effect.

Graviton carries gravity force, so it is absorbable by other gravitons; in general; gravitons absorb each other and combine. When some gravitons are around a photon (or other particles) they convert to color charges and enter the structure of photon. Color charges around particles/objects interact with each other.

There are many layers of gravitons around a photon. The first layer is close to the photon, so that its gravitons interact with charge and magnetic fields in the structure of photon. The second layer interacts with the first layer and third layer and so on. Therefore; when a photon is falling in the gravitational field of the Earth, two layers of gravitons are applied to it, first layer up (at high h) and second down (at high h-dh). In down layer, the density of graviton is greater than up, so the photon falls and its energy increases. So, we can define graviton relative to electromagnetic energy.

For more please see;

Graviton and Newton's second law

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279185909_Graviton_and_Newton%27s_second_law?ev=prf_pub

Article Graviton and Newton's second law

Thank you,

I also very agree with Marek about - //very different origin of gravity//

But, it shows to us clearly  that we must good rethinking before all .... that I have done in me work

Best wishes,

George

Just  because different viewpoints and different physical theories exist, unlike other cultural activities, physics allows to understand and to choose the right theory through the experimental method.

to:  @George Kirakosyan and all

Ok, let it be true, yet - what can you comment on the fact, that the  "inertial" electron mass equals its electromagnetic one?  ( I   will even not attach here  the Higgs mass mechanism within the SM)   - then there is no place for a  "different" gravity mechanism, is not there?  - I guess, the long distance electromagnetic therory is nowadays more or less well dscribed by means of the modern quantum electrodynamics, yet  up to date the local,  short distance  electrodynamics is almost not developed, as it strongly needs a very nontrivial and new,  eventually,  experimetal  knowledge about the vacuum medium and its nature. The latter is today only slightly modelled by means of a mainly phenomenological  notion of  the "vacuum polarization", based on the virtual particle interaction.

Anyway, I believe that new forecast and reasonably planned LHC experiments will give rise soon enough to answers to these and many other related questions, thereby will  be helping the  modern physics to get moved from the dead point it stays.

Remark.

Reecently the focus of  theorists and experimentalists stare attention   became  charged mcro-systems, which  can be considered as exotic: heavy ions with  one or more electrons (or multi-charged  ions) and their diverse combinations.  The interest for these ions is explained by   fast development and great progress  of  nuclear spectroscopy. Up to date it was not possible to measure accurately enough   the spectral characteristics of such systems, yet today there is posed  on the agenda  to verify  QED up  to the second order of the fine   structure parameter. This challenge is a very important and dounting task because  this QED verification  will open a new area in the Coulomb   field physics  doing with  very strong magnetic and electrical fields and allowing to take a look at the vacuum nature, in particular.

Sincerely, regards!

In quantum electrodynamics (QED) a charged particle emits exchange force particles continuously. This process has no effect on the properties of a charged particle such as its mass and charge. How is it explainable? If a charged particle as a generator has an output known as a virtual photon, what will be its input?

In this article, according to the experimental observations, I generalize the Maxwell equations of electromagnetism to the gravitational field. I have used the pair production and decay to show that a charged particle acts like a generator, the generator input and output are gravitons and virtual photon. The negative charged particle produces positive virtual photon and positive charged particle produces negative virtual photon. A negative and a positive virtual photon combine with each other in the vicinity of a charged particle and cause the charged particle to accelerate. Although this approach to Quantum Field Theory (QFT) is presented, it has some differences. The mechanism of negative and positive virtual photons interaction is easier and more realistic than exchange particles of QFT, and it also has no ambiguities of QFT. After all, I explain the real photon and its structure by using the virtual photons.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279288309_Graviton_and_virtual_photons?ev=prf_pub

Article Graviton and virtual photons

Zero Point Energy (ZPE) describes the random electromagnetic oscillations that are left in the vacuum after all other energy has been removed. One way to explain this is by means of the uncertainty principle of quantum physics, which implies that it is impossible to have a zero energy condition.

In this article, the ZPE is explained by using a novel description of the graviton. This is based on the behavior of photons in a gravitational field, leading to a new definition of the graviton. In effect, gravitons behave as if they have charge and magnetic effects. These are referred to as negative color charge, positive color charge and magnetic color. From this, it can be shown that a photon is made of color charges and magnetic color. This definition of the structure of a photon then leads to an explanation of how the vacuum produces Zero Point Energy (ZPE).

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/208380871_Zero_Point_Energy_and_the_Dirac_Equation?ev=prf_pub

Article Zero Point Energy and the Dirac Equation

Dear Sergio,

thanks so much for the link. I will comment on later.

Regards,

Anatolij.

Dear Colleagues,

I invite you kindly to contribute to the UJPA Journal Special  Issue entitled

"Casimir Effect, the Electron Stability and Dynamical Mass Phenomena: Classical and Quantum Field Theory Description"

In his famous paper "Introductory Remarks on Quantum Electrodynamics" H.B.G. Casimir, being stimulated by his investigation of the vacuum-.uctuation-driven attractive force between conducting plates (the Casimir force), suggested a semiclassical model of the electron within the spirit of Lorentz.s theory of the electron. Such a model, being out of favor in terms of providing a realistic description of the quantum electron, nonetheless it remains potentially not exhausted and still possesses many unveiled physically important features. As it is well known, Casimir suggested two models, the second of which is based on a dense shell-like distribution of charge which might partially (as in the Casimir Effect, generally), or even wholly, suppresses vacuum fields in the interior of the shell. An important question is still up to date left concerning a quantum .eld theoretical description of the related additive in.nite negative mass within the QED renormalization approach. As is well known, the proper-time is attributed to Minkowski. Although it was namely Poincare, who discovered the proper-time, it was Minkowski who recognized its importance in physical theory and showed that it is the only unique variable associated with the source and available to all observers. This idea was later deeply re-analyzed by R. Feynman and further it was suitably developed within the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian description of the electron dynamics. The successful application of the least action principle within the Feynman proper time paradigm is believed to give rise to the charged particle „dynamical" mass explanation, thereby finally solving the well known Abraham-Lorentz-Dirac 4/3-electron mass problem. The further both the classical and quantuum field theory descriptions of these two Casimir related phenomema concerning the classical stability of electron and its related dynamical mass expression are wanted and form a main trend of the Proposal.

http://www.hrpub.org/journals/joursp_callforpaper.php?id=84

A wide scope of articles touching the topics above are  extremely welcome!

Sincerely  regards,

Anatolij.

Dear Anatolij, if it may help, this theory of mine links gravity with electromagnetism. But here it's suggested that gravity contributes to the electrostatic interaction and not the contrary. Gravity is explained as a self-standing newtonian force produced by the absorption of quantum spacetime effected by massive particles. Here is the link.

Article A superfluid Theory of Everything? [outdated version]

Dear Prof. Prykarpatski, is it possible that electromagnetism effects gravity through dark matter? If so, magnetism and the gravity are mutually interlinked that can be inferred through my equation - Fifth Maxwell Equation! Of course, earlier I mentioned about having global conference on physics with you as M.C. where your recent papers and many topics like these forming towards grand unified theory of everything to proceed. Hope having more debate on all that.

...Yet, it is an open question! The physical nature of dark matter and dark energy is not  still understood, even more, its existence is ...under question! I guess, the main breaktrhrough one can expect in real understanding the physical nature of  quantum vacuum, zero point energy etc...

Regards!

to @Rajan Iyer

Nice!  Could you present your work on this topic here or resendit on my email, if any?

Regards!

Dear Prof. Prykarpatski, Thank you with your interest. The whole work leading to that is quite exhaustive and long. Hence it will require either meeting conference and/or global conference with physics and the grand unified theory that I mentioned earlier.

I will try to send a brief description of the proof of i*sie = E/Mc2 that appears through my Amazon book article: "ABSOLUTE GENESIS----FIFTH DIMENSION MATH...PHYSICS." The metric physics that I "invented mathematically" is something that I want to discuss you with since you are expert on mathematics as well as the physics of all these to theory of everything. I can tell you briefly here also that wave collapse will create dark matter out of dark energy....leading to noise and "magnetic poledike" per point physics will be the main force awakening dark energy to dark matter to microblackhole to matter and energy, in the process of which force of gravity appears,,,,,perhaps through Higgs mechanism! Well, these are conceptual hypotheses right now that have been logically mathematically derived through logical metric physics combined all with my "operator matrix algorithmic global theory". I have also derived mass as a function of time domain, only applying the equation of motion and no other assumptions....it is quite tedious as well as highly involved..riveting. My "Theorem of Switches" also have been conceptually mathematically proved through complex metric matrices, similar to approach of Guv that Einsteins applies to general theory of relativity. Again, I will appreciate your expertise discussions through conference seminar with you to validate and also publish with your authentications. The Fifth Maxwell Equation I have derived has mathematical linking parity between gravity and magnetism. This magnetism that provide the primary force are micro-nature of the continental shift mechanism of earth....

Well, I am trying to compact all the information into gist of what overall everything is per my modeling conceptual hypothesis....purely mathematical logic philosophy that seems operating nature! perhaps striking harmony ontological semblance provable through special configuration experimentation. What I am trying to do is to reduce the amount of experimentation to get to theory of everything and the proofs thereof, much like "IPZ model" that I have published along with Professor Pickering in corrosion electrochemistry of environmental materials.

I have a feeling we are close to problem solutions and that we can collaborate with obtaining funding through you, who is a well known and established expert MATHEMATICAL PHYSICIST. We may have to work with supercomputers and the CERN particle physics, along with NASA magnetic gravity probes.

Please inform about our future project possibilities. While these are going on, in a short email you will receive a few datasets that I will try to scan also.

Hope to have continuous communications with you, advancing quantum time?!

Sincerely yours with best regards,

Rajan Iyer, general theory of everything........

Dear Prof. Prykarpatski, Thank you with your interest. The whole work leading to that is quite exhaustive and long. Hence it will require either meeting conference and/or global conference with physics and the grand unified theory that I mentioned earlier.

I will try to send a brief description of the proof of i*sie = E/Mc2 that appears through my Amazon book article: "ABSOLUTE GENESIS----FIFTH DIMENSION MATH...PHYSICS." The metric physics that I "invented mathematically" is something that I want to discuss you with since you are expert on mathematics as well as the physics of all these to theory of everything. I can tell you briefly here also that wave collapse will create dark matter out of dark energy....leading to noise and "Magnetic Poledike" per point physics will be the main force awakening dark energy to dark matter to microblackhole to matter and energy, in the process of which force of gravity appears,,,,,perhaps through Higgs mechanism! Well, these are conceptual hypotheses right now that have been logically mathematically derived through logical metric physics combined all with my "Operator matrix algorithmic global theory". I have also derived mass as a function of time domain, only applying the equation of motion and no other assumptions....it is quite tedious as well as highly involved..riveting. My "Theorem of Switches" also have been conceptually mathematically proved through complex metric matrices, similar to approach of Guv that Einsteins applies to general theory of relativity. Again, I will appreciate your expertise discussions through conference seminar with you to validate and also publish with your authentications. The Fifth Maxwell Equation I have derived has mathematical linking parity between gravity and magnetism. This magnetism that provide the primary force are micro-nature of the continental shift mechanism of earth....

Well, I am trying to compact all the information into gist of what overall everything is per my modeling conceptual hypothesis....purely mathematical logic philosophy that seems operating nature! perhaps striking harmony ontological semblance provable through special configuration experimentation. What I am trying to do is to reduce the amount of experimentation to get to theory of everything and the proofs thereof, much like "IPZ model" that I have published along with Professor Pickering in corrosion electrochemistry of environmental materials.

I have a feeling we are close to problem solutions and that we can collaborate with obtaining funding through you, who is a well known and established expert MATHEMATICAL PHYSICIST. We may have to work with supercomputers and the CERN particle physics, along with NASA magnetic gravity probes.

Please inform about our future project possibilities. While these are going on, in a short email you will receive a few datasets that I will try to scan also.

Hope to have continuous communications with you, advancing quantum time?!

Sincerely yours with best regards,

Rajan Iyer, general theory of everything........

Can there be gravity from the electromagnetism? - ResearchGate. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_there_be_gravity_from_the_electromagnetism [accessed Jan 25, 2016].

Dear Rajan,

thanks for lengthy explanation, yet it would be nice to send on my address a more or less completed work containing your argumentations argued.

Sincerely,

regards!

Dear Prof. Prykarpatski, Thank you with your response. Yes, I will try to send that ASAP though it may take a week or so. Please inform about the address that I will be sending my work. You may send a test email to my email address so that we know it will work when I reply to you. Hope also that we can have in person meetings, presentations, seminar, conference, and plan for the big event!!!!!

Sincerely yours with best regards,

Rajan Iyer, general theory of everything........

From the violent process of colliding plane waves (i.e electromagnetic,scalar,axion etc.) we do get gravity. Null rays of fields focus each other to create a curved spacetime with gravity with mostly a singularity. In the collision process high symmetry of the plane waves is broken and mass/gravity emerges. All this is as a consequence of Einstein field equations. See for example the following papers(and many others):  

1) Colliding Electromagnetic Shock Wavesin General Relativity, M. Halilsoy, Phys.Rev.D 37, 2121 (1988).

2) Large Family of Solutions in the Einstein-Maxwell Theory, M. Halilsoy, JMP 31, 2694 (1990).

3) Emergent Cosmological Constant from Colliding EM Waves, Halilsoy, Gurtug, Mazharimousavi, JCAP 11,010 (2014).

Best Regards,

From Cyprus to Anatolij Prykarpatski

Article Colliding electromagnetic shock waves in general relativity

Article Large family of colliding waves in the Einstein-Maxwell theory

Article Emergent cosmological constant from colliding electromagnetic waves

I believe that I can prove that the gravitational force and electrostatic force are connected. However, the connection is not the relatively simple idea that the electrostatic force has a slight difference between attraction and repulsion.  The connection is explained in the attached article. Briefly, the vacuum of spacetime has no observable energy density.  However, there is activity in the vacuum which we know as zero point energy, vacuum fluctuations, virtual particle formation, etc.  These undetectable fluctuations are shown to give spacetime its constants such as c, G, ħ and εo. All the fields of the standard model are characterized as different resonances within this universal spacetime field.

 This model makes some amazing predictions. One prediction is that the gravitational force between fundamental particles can be expressed as the square of the electrostatic force when these forces and distances are expressed in the particles natural units. The simplest of the equations expressing this relationship is: FG = FE2. This is equation 19 in the attached paper.  Other equations show the square relationship for a more general set of conditions.  There is also a previously unknown symmetry between the gravitational force, the electrostatic force and Planck force.  Therefore, gravity and the electrostatic forces originate from a single interaction, but the relationship is one of a linear effect and a much smaller nonlinear effect which scales with wave amplitude squared.

Chapter Spacetime Based Foundation of Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity

Adding to what John just wrote some h ago, i would like to take the opportunity and announce that I recently managed to identify an exact relation between gravitational and electromagnetic force! A paper to present these stunningly simple relation is in preparation, and i would like to thank John here for finding the initial relation on Fg/FE = FE/FP (Fg = quantum of gravitational force, FE = Electrostatic force, FP = Planck force) without it would have not been possible to get an exact equation for G and more. So in short, there can be no doubt from what I can see in my iSpace equations that the identified relation is not just a theoretical/mathematical artefact but physically real.

Not to let you wait on the paper some more month, here is what i found (see image):

To the last debate and not only to it, I would like to repeat my claim presented in this forum a few months ago: gravity is the secondary electric force (in sense that it is represented by the second term of power series) and, therefore, is described by the Maxwell equations. Anatolij's original question can be paraphrased as "Can a white paper be white?", I am afraid. Maybe, I can clarify my idea better asking some "opposite" questions. How can the electrostatic force between two static electric charges be derived from the Maxwell equations? What is the result of such a derivation? Consequently, is the magnitude of intensity of electric field generated by the positive elementary charge (charge of proton) exactly the same as the magnitude of  intensity generated by the negative elementary charge (charge of electron)? (Or, are these magnitude equal with the precision, at least, on 18 decimal digits?) If yes, what is the proof? If there is no proof and the exact equality is only assumed, then the existence of gravity is also only assumed, in fact.

L. Neslusan

 I agree with the part of your statement where you say “gravity is the secondary electric force … represented by the second term of a power series”.  In fact, I have come close to proving this.  In my previous response posted one day ago, there is an attached paper titled “Spacetime Based Foundation of Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity”.  Equations 15 and 16 in this paper are exactly the same except that the wave amplitude term is squared in equation 15 and not squared in equation 16.  When these two equations are solved, equation 15 with the squared term becomes the Newtonian gravitational equation and equation 16 (not squared) becomes the Coulomb law equation for the force between two Planck charges (about 11.7 times greater than elementary charge e). I recognize that the Newtonian gravitational equation is the weak field approximation of the more complex equations of general relativity.  However, the higher order terms in the expansion have not been added yet. 

 In the rest of your post you talk about positive and negative charges and electric fields.  These are universally used terms in physics, but the underlying physics is not understood.  Suppose that it was possible to be able to express electrical charge and electric fields as a quantifiable distortion of spacetime the same way that it is possible to quantify the curvature of spacetime produced by a mass.  Then we would reach a higher level of understanding and could more easily see the connection between gravity and electric fields.  In this same paper the first step towards this goal has been taken.  On page 13 of this paper I propose a new constant of nature which I call the “charge conversion constant”. This proposed constant quantifies the distortion of spacetime produced by a charge, a photon and an electric field.  It is very interesting to test this proposed new constant and see what happens when the unit of Coulomb is eliminated from common EM terms such as the Coulomb force constant 1/4πεo or from the impedance of free space Zo = 376.7 ohms

To @Mustafa Halilsoy

Dear Mustafa, it is really interesting  to follow   your "collisions" ideas concerning gravity... I will try to catch your main breakthrough in,  if any!

Sincerely, regards!

Well, yet - what is a "quantum vacuum energy" ?  And, please,  which equations are these solution to?

Best!

If weight is a measure of the force of gravity and potential is a measure of energy, it is then fundamentally possible to relate force of gravity to potential gradient. This means that we have to link Maxwell equations to gravity equations. Working on such a typical scheme, we will realize we have to work backwards to the state of nothingness, then forward to something. How precisely these operations are performed mathematically will determine how successful we are in relating electromagnetism to gravity. Quantum vacuum energy and zero matter will become key component of that formula.

@Rajan,

following your reasoning we'd be able to link any force with any other force and any kind of energy with any other. The fact that two things are a force doesn't imply they're correlated or that they're the same thing. It wouldn't be a scientifical reasoning.

What I meant that based on the general reasoning, we can link through physics of the correlating force acting on entities. This is one of the reasons that we have to go to the level of the quantum vacuum energy for potential with zero matter for the weight, so that we are having same context. Yes, there are lot to be worked out before we achieve that like Einstein was performing when he configured the general theory of relativity. Your explanation has been taken in part of the debate and the discussion processes that we have to go through to get to generalization conceptual aspects. If we achieve specific aspects out of that generalization, then we are ready to mathematically algorithmize grand unified theory.

@ John Macken and everybody who is interested in the "theory of almost everything" based on Maxwell exlectromagnetism.

I am sorry for a delay in my response - since the regular scientific papers are sometimes long and difficult to read (because of a lot of new things), I wrote a compactified, (relatively) short article (15 pages, but in large font) to clarify my results concerning a unification of gravity with the electric force.

John, yes, I agree that there is a certain correspondence between the corresponding forces (both electrostatic and gravitational) as derived by you and me. Anyway, I think that the "potential" of the Maxwell electromagnetism is much larger than outlined in your paper (you referred to it last time) or in my short contributions in this forum.

I try, again, to indicate this potential is a relatively brief paper linked to this message (it can also be downloaded from https://www.astro.sk/~ne/GUHbrief2.pdf).

There are many fundamental questions, which should be answered by every theory, which attempts to be regarded as more advanced than the currently accepted theories. For example:

1. Why there is inertia related to mass, but no inertia related to electric charge?

2. Why is the size of the charge of all electrically charged elementary particles the same?

3. Why is the orientation of gravitational force the same as the electric force between two charges of opposite polarities?

4. What is the model of atom (at least the simplest hydrogen atom) created on the basis of the theory?

5. What is the origin (explanation) of uncertainity principle?

Etc., etc., etc. More answers, better theory.

You can fined the complete answer in my book:

“Introduction to Fundamental Physics”. You may also use the link below for my articles and check out the file: “book.pdf“.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6DMVPT39yx7ZTc0blRMQ194Qlk/view?usp=drivesdk

Below, in Extras 1 file, all of you can find the connection between gravity and electromagnetism. It is a full text excerpt from the graviton physics article published on this website.

The answer to main topic question may be the opposite: electromagnetism may be a consequence of gravity.

About atoms you can see my paper:

Periodic System of Atoms in Biquaternionic Representation// Journal of Modern Physics.- Vol.9.- No.8.- PP. 1633-1644 DOI: 10.4236/jmp.2018.98102

As for the “why”. The imbalance between the push and the pull of the electric force is required in the discrete space and time of the Electrodiscrete Theory, and it exactly accounts for gravity.

Starting from known phenomena, we can confirm the presence of gravity without magnetism (for some celestial bodies) and always the presence of magnetism accompanied by gravity.

If we consider the electromagnetism as a mass carrier then we deduce that we can associate it a gravitational quantum. In fact, it is proven that photons interact gravitational so they must have a gravitational quanta.