Dear colleagues,
Please, let us discuss your opinions about the PhD study. Is it worth doing a PhD? What jobs can a PhD get you? Why is it so difficult to do a PhD? How much do PhD students get paid?
Regards,
The suffering is a tiny word does not reflect well what I live!
However, for any pain, there is a benefit. Without the sense of pain, we did not feel the need to see a doctor to be cured!
The pain or suffering is a type of gift from God.
There is no doubt that I suffered a lot to get a PhD, but this suffering for me is enjoyable
Best Regards Nabeel Almuramady
Dear Osama Rahil
Thank you for reply. yes, off course, especially when you receive your degree.
Regards,
Starting is always difficult. You have to struggle.Such a wonderful memories.
Regards
Dear Dr Mohamed F. Al-Dawody ,
Thank you for reply and yes the starting is always difficult .
Regards
The most difficult thing I found was not knowing what was expected of me. The amount of things you were supposed to just know about social interactions, especially where publications were concerned Is imence. My supervisor allways said that he wasn’t the sort of person who expected x or y, but it turned out that I should have known that all supervisors expect the same things. Their name on publications.
I need to answer to balance the negative responses so far, usually caused by bad supervisors.
Is it worth doing a PhD? Yes.
What jobs can a PhD get you? The jobs are limitless, because you have proven that you can solve an intractable problem – a skill sorely needed in industry and commerce.
Why is it so difficult to do a PhD? Because no-one can prepare you adequately for the complexity of finding a worthwhile problem for research, figuring out a viable way to do the research, marshalling together all the resources required, overcoming difficulties and writing down clearly your original, significant contribution to human knowledge.
How much do PhD students get paid? Expenses and living costs if you can motivate it in your proposal.
I lived in a difficult period (the turn of 1982 +/- 5) where the supervisor weighs the duration of thesis preparation, which can reach 13 years for the Doctorate !!! The Supervisor (like the tortoise who lays eggs and leaves ...) gives the title of the Thesis in a small piece of paper and leaves and only contacts the doctoral student after a few years!
After an average of 7 years or more, he will tell his student that it is time to start writing the manuscript, even if he has already found complete results, etc .. !!!!
For my case, for example, my Master and my Doctorate cost me 12 years or more!
Whenever I prepare the draft of an article, he tells me not to submit it, and the years go by, in the seventh year I made a "stupid" to submit three articles without his permission! The articles are accepted, he got angry and was obliged to allow me to start writing the manuscript, etc....
After, for recruitment, I spent about 10 times Jury interviews to succeed and have the Lecture position (some of his friends in the Jury)! Thank God, after that, my career has evolved a little faster!
When I went abroad for International Cooperation, I left five PhDs in preparation that I continue to supervise more or less at a distance to complete their Thesis. One of the previous jury who is responsible of the Laboratory, sent all my students back to the street !!!
None of my colleagues made a reaction, even a small word to relieve me!, ...
Now, thanks to God, one of my students has 8 for Scopus h-index while he, who writes since 1979 has 12! (You can see at RG platform)
I can not tell more, it hurts me!!!
I would like to complete the PhD but, at 61 years of age, there is little return. On the other hand, and though it is true that I have not the research degree, it is also true that I can compete with any and all who do have that PhD. Ergo, the PhD, useful as it might be, is in no way necessary to successful academic competition.
No research without problem
But it depends on university system, supervisor, subject
لابد للمرء الذي يسعى إلى طموحه من أن يواجه مصاعباً وتجارب متعددة ثم يجتهد ويجاهد بما يستطيع ليصل إلى اهتماماته. واعتقد ان الظروف التي يمر بها الباحث لها أثر في مسيرته العلمية
Dear Noureddine Ouerfelli ,
Thank you for contribution and yes it is very difficult, especially the study in such environment .
Regards
Dear William R. Buckley ,
Thank you for contribution. I hope you be able to get the PhD in the nearest time
Regards
The suffering is a tiny word does not reflect well what I live!
However, for any pain, there is a benefit. Without the sense of pain, we did not feel the need to see a doctor to be cured!
The pain or suffering is a type of gift from God.
Solitude is more like what I actually felt during my two doctorates.
I think all phd students felt it, but after their study finish they will be happy and their career better .
there is lot of job opportunistic in research and development sections of many firms
Although it was difficult but it was very interesting because eventually it represent a scientific life.
I do not consider the process of obtaining a PhD as suffering but it is a price that must be paid in a growth process which separates the boys from the men. To contribute to what must be done to help finish the program on time, i think the student should not put the responsibility on the supervisor, as in if the supervisor knows what should be done, then it is no longer a PhD, the supervisor is there only to guide the student. Therefore the student should be able to take initiative and do not procastinate on what to do.
It was time consuming and demanding but with determination I weathered the storm
I paid a heavy price for my PhD being challenged financially. With determination I overcame and today, I have almost forgotten the hell. The price I paid worth it!
Dear Colleagues,
From my experience, I know that the study of the PhD itself is not difficult, but sometimes due to the circumstances surrounding the student, the PhD degree become very difficult.
Regards,
I have only just started, I got a full studentship and feel very lucky.
I expect a PhD to be difficult or what does this say about the qualification?
As for suffering, define suffer? I can say stressful, difficult, frustrating but compared to other experiences in my life I wouldn’t use the term suffer.
Dear Carolyn White ,
I hope it will be easy to get your PhD, it is really depend on the circumstances surrounding you in this time.
Regards
Dear Nabeel Almuramady
It has been a rule for one to be a lecturer in any University in Kenya, PhD is a requirement. It is worthy getting a PhD. Earning a PhD is not a walk on the path but the final result is encouraging.
Dear Emmanuel Kombe ,
Thank you for your opinion, firstly, I think, getting the PhD, is the beginning to long another hard path not the final result because you just start to reflect what you learnt. The second, my question was about the PhD study time and the circumstances surrounding the PhD student at that time.
Regards,
I am currently beginning my second year of my PhD, yet developing a research proposal. I have not encountered much but the circumstances surrounding the PhD student at the time of study determine how long they will take.
Regards
Dear Emmanuel Kombe ,
I hope it will be easy to get your PhD.
Regards,
Dear colleagues,
Thank you very much for your contributions in this discussion.
Regards,
Dear Emmanuel Kombe ,
I hope it will be easy to get your PhD.
Regards,
It is worth doing Ph.D. You can get jobs in teaching and in industry where your research work done guarantees utmost importance. There are number of fellow ships (UGC, CSIR MHRD etc.) offered by government to encourage Ph.D. The amount may vary from Rs. 20000/- onwards. Struggling a lot get Ph.D. is essential. It starts from selection of research topic , purchase/ acquaintance of experimental setup, learning of simulation soft wares, taking classes for UG students, passing the research related subjects, attending course works etc.
Doing a PhD can be hard and even frustrating as you need to read, think and discuss new ideas for a long time with your supervisor.
Who his or her mentor is really matters. The mentor should have mature, intellectual humility.
Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) degree is obtained when guide or research supervisor satisfies our work. This will be based on several constraints and should overcome. For that, hard work is compulsory, if this should complete in time. Sometimes sleepless nights are also common. After getting Ph.D., it gives happiness.
Dear Pisipaty Srinivas Kishore ,
Thank you very much for your contributions in this discussion.
Regards,
Dear Claire Su-Yeon Park ,
Thank you very much for your contributions in this discussion.
Regards,
Dear Leyla Behrooznia ,
Thank you very much for your contributions in this discussion.
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Dear Saeid Asadi ,
Thank you very much for your contributions in this discussion.
Regards,
Great Question!
I Would not use "suffering", instead I would like to describe it as "Journey". An exceptional one! A journey to rediscover yourself in terms of strength & weakness!
V/r,
Sadeq AL-Fayyadh,PhD.
University of Baghdad, School of Nursing
Dear Sadeq AL-Fayyadh ,
Thank you very much for your contributions in this discussion.
Regards,
Suffering is relative. Yes! You could have challenges while doing a PhD but the joy of completion outweighs the pain. It could be challenging but depending on where you are doing it, there are coping mechanisms and support systems. You may have to take some time off, go for a vacation , enjoy and come back to your research rejuvenated. Best wishes.
Dear Adegboyega Ehinmowo ,
Thank you very much for your interesting reply.
Regards,
Hi Nabeel,
For me getting a PhD was initially a handicap because people in some industries are overwhelmed by this qualification. However, the need for highly skilled individuals is growing in all sectors. Waste sector has been slower than most.
I was unfortunate during my research project that the waste industry was privatised and my academic supervisor went through a difficult divorce and had a mental breakdown. Has a consequence I got little or no guidance from either.
The experimental work had problems but, but hard work overcame most of them. I found the write up difficult because I was then in full time work.
However, the thing I notice about PhD qualified people is there tenacity and ability to handle problems and obstacles, it makes you mentally tough. We also realise what little we actually know, and how reliant we are on others. Team work and collaboration therefore come easily.
Andrew
Dear Andrew Goddard ,
Thank you so much for your contribution, and I am really sorry for what you passed through during your PhD.
Regaeds
I did not suffer myself but I suffered for my mice and changed the experiments in a mice-friendly behavioral way. Actually, I finished my thesis rather quickly, and one of my sons had to spend a lot of time in front of classic music (which became his profession about 20 years later).
I did not suffer. contrary, it was my most precious years and I enjoyed a lot. Especially, during the dissertation phase.
I agree with Refat Hassan. I just know one young student that , at the time, dosen't.
And I finished the thesi salso loosing several "friends".
A lot of things hapenned, wich in terms of nowdays could be considered an
legal injury, in the face of The Portuguese Law
In nowdays, there are more legal tools in my country to prevent the power abbuse's , in the various forms.
Hi Nabeel,
for me it was difficult to be so unexperienced in all respects as a PhD student, I was a bit overwhelmed by all the new topics I was supposed to learn nearly on my own.
I took my PhD after 15 years of practice as a Psychiatrist, and I had to learn to be humble and endure the position as an ignorant. I have certainly learned a lot about myself - I really had to learn to ask for help! But I also experienced that I could solve some unsolvable tasks, which has been very encouraging. It is definately worth all the hours of hard work afterwards.
Good luck with your work,
Magnhild
I finnished the Phd 19 years ago
I'm clinical psychologist (degree in clinics)
there's no treatment for some kind 's of deeplly mental illness personality's. As clinical psychologist (my degree was in clinics), I become aware of that.
There's an expression in portoghese (try the google translator, if you wish) for so severe illness individuals: "nesses casos, corta-se logo pela raiz". The life is hard and difficult , in general, for somei individual's with severe mental illness it was being probably hardest . If there's evidence of genetic basis for some mental illness (eg Major Depressions, Schyzophrenia , Bi-polar), bur some "hard reallity" experienced - in Freud's terms -modulate, the expression of severe mental health cases.
The sadistic, manipulation, illnes Narcisisism (opposite to health narcisism) are some mental dimensions wich doesn't have cure, or hardlly have it . Donald Winnicott presents some evidence about this .
The lack of self-warenners that one's is deliberating make sufference other's, it can become a perpectual mental state, with correspondent behaviour's.
To be cinical, or opportunist, it can be an escape for some individuals. An escape for what their fear in their self.
As psychopatic hardly can have psychological help, so bordeline's too. The "hard experienced" remains in their mental state.
Anyaway, this is just a discourse. One's have to coping , at least some times in life, with complicated situations. One's have to learn the ways of coping.
Maybe this discourse don't help. But it can maybe help to have awareness that one's have to learn to coping with that problematic, almost inevitable, situations.
All the bests Nabeel
I slightly suffered but still enjoyed doing Ph.D. The difficult part is going to different places collecting relevant data, identifying the experimental facilities which suites, engaging classes and working throughout the day with minimum gap. The happiness is work is good, learned subject knowledge, a good mentor and made to learn to do Ph.D.
Dear Jaydip Datta ,
Thank you so much for your contribution.
Regards
Dear Pisipaty Srinivas Kishore ,
Thank you so much for your contribution.
Regards
Dear Virgilio Amaral ,
Thank you so much for your contribution.
Regards
Dear Magnhild Singstad Høivik ,
I completely agree with what you have said " It is definately worth all the hours of hard work afterwards "
Thank you.
Nabeel
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