What concept you use for a perfect market? Sounds a bit neo-classical microeconomics to me … and that is a different set of thought linking to circular economy / sustainability/ external economies …

Jan, good day. I guess you are familiar with the perfect market of Adam Smith, where traditional supply and traditional demand determine the price to produce and consume. So traditional markets are cleared by the traditional market price.

Are you familiar with the perfect red market, the perfect green market, and the perfect sustainability market?

If yes, you may be able to see the answer to the question as you could compare them: Can you see the difference between the way perfect traditional markets make money as compared to how other perfect markets do it?

Respectfully yours;

Lucio

No, not in the slightest. But that doesn't matter, because the initiator invented the problem. This makes further discussions superfluous!

Dear Lucio,

Of course I am familiar with those concepts

the concept of a perfect market is also discussed in modern literature of micro-economics and corporate finance.

perhaps provide me with some additional ideas About your question

I have the feeling that you have some tacit assumptions in the discussion.

it is always good to share them, in order to have an open and creative discussion

kind regards and good luck with your research,

jan

Jan, thank you very much for writing. I see you are familiar with only the traditional perfect market thinking, which is based on the knowledge base of traditional Microeconomics and Macroeconomics.

Since the WCED told us in 1987 that the business as usual model had not worked as it had led to environmental and social issues that needed to be fixed the world has been trying to address those issues through perfect market thinking theory and competing dwarf market thinking theory.

The perfect sustainability thinking, perfect green market thinking, and perfect red marketing thinking needed to understand this question posted here fall out of the mainstream economic thinking that came after the WCED call in 1987 to go beyond business as usual as the mainstream has gone dwarf market thinking apparently since 1987, which continues today with climate change economics thinking.. And this fact is the reason I asked this question as a technical question.

If you search Lucio Munoz and perfect sustainability thinking in Researchgate or Google... or you search the topics like perfect red market thinking or perfect green market thinking or dwarf market thinking under my name, you will find the ideas I have shared needed to answer this question.

You may be able to see what the similarities between all possible perfect markets are and what sets the perfect traditional market apart from the other perfect markets that partially or fully correct it.

Dear Hans, good day, Thank you for commenting anyway.

It is okay not to be able to see something outside our domain/box, but that does not mean that what we can not see is not important,,,, otherwise, Thomas Kuhn would be for sure disappointed as he would see that behavior as a threat to the growth of scientific knowledge.,,,,

Yet, I am not surprise to know you can not see anything when you say "No, not in the slightest." as it is something expected if you are only familiar with the past/Adam Smith's world.

Have a nice day

Respectfullyyours;

Lucio

It can be said that all markets seek to maximize profits, but there are markets that achieve this in the usual traditional ways, and there are other markets that achieve maximum profits by using technology that is more time-saving and resource-saving.

Hello, good day. There are traditional perfect markets and non-traditional perfect markets. They work different in how they make money and in terms of pollution production vrs pollution reduction while making money.

The question refers to comparing the working of the traditional perfect market with the working of non-traditional perfect markets like the green market, the red market, and the sustainability market in the search for maximizing profits /making money to see differences.

Are you familiar with the structure of non-traditional perfect markets?.

If yes, you can see the difference in how they make money/maximize profits. And feel free to comment again in this line.

Respectfully yours;

Lucio

كل الاسواق تسعى لانتاج السلع باقل كلفة لتحقق اعلى ربح ممكن ولكن تختلف الاسواق بعضهاعن الاخر بسبب طبيعة السلع نفسها تفرض تغيرا من سوق الى اخرى فبعضهل تخضع للمنافسة التامة والاخرى تكون ضمن الاحتكار التام وبالتالي تختلف الاسواق بعضها عن الاخر

Assel, you are right in that the nature of the commodities in each market are different as well as the choice structure, the price structure and the cost structure are different in each perfect market too. It is the cost structure that determines the price structure that leads to making money while polluting at the same time or making money while reducing pollution at the same time. Hence if you understand the nature of the cost structure in that perfect market you can see whether you have a pollution production perfect market or a pollution reduction perfect market.

Thank you for taking the time to comment.

Respectfully yours;

Lucio

As perfect traditional markets make money while they produce pollution they are pollution production perfect markets and as perfect red markets, perfect green markets, and perfect sustainability markets reduce social, environmental and socio-environmental pollution respectively while making money they are pollution reduction perfect markets.

As you know or may know, dwarf red markets, dwarf green markets and dwarf sustainability markets make money by passing the pollution management cost to consumer so they have no incentive to produce at the lowest market price possible as perfect markets do while their sustainability is affecting by the remaining pollution problem or remaining pollution sustainability gap as the pollution sustainability gap is greater than the pollution management cost set by the pollution manager and pass to consumers.

You can find some good food for thoughts in the following articles about the working of the perfect traditional market as compared to other perfect markets and their link to the pollution issue while making money; and the working of of the perfect traditional market as compared to dwarf markets and their link to the pollution issue while making money.

Sustainability thought 173: Using the sustainability market price to derive the three perfect market ways to correct distorted traditional market pricing mechanisms under externality cost internalization

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/365632838_Sustainability_thought_173_Using_the_sustainability_market_price_to_derive_the_three_perfect_market_ways_to_correct_distorted_traditional_market_pricing_mechanisms_under_externality_cost_internalizati

Sustainability thought 174: Using the sustainability market price to derive the three imperfect market ways to manage the consequences of distorted traditional market pricing mechanisms under externality cost management

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/367021378_Sustainability_thought_174_Using_the_sustainability_market_price_to_derive_the_three_imperfect_market_ways_to_manage_the_consequences_of_distorted_traditional_market_pricing_mechanisms_under_externali?_sg%5B0%5D=dfHsS9ziTCLBHWUe2FpzgthU9Y3wAAsBuizY52nEd9lTnY046AtfBhMv0d2moDp0-fDhlW96UNhel3ofqsc_lvulJxHLnSK8oH4qINsq.aKBvC4aA5tfc8XLwgCLegciEM_Wg0ZlRopZyxvnebaDzLTOFr5Ms3bUdcbdMxFByycgAtobnU-dV2IjUJrjnfw

Yes, there is a difference between how perfect traditional markets make money as compared to other perfect markets. Perfect traditional markets are typically physical marketplaces where buyers and sellers come together to exchange goods and services in person. In this type of market, buyers and sellers negotiate prices directly, and the market is regulated by supply and demand. On the other hand, other perfect markets are typically virtual and exist online. These markets rely on algorithms and digital platforms to match buyers and sellers, and they often use data analytics to determine pricing. In this type of market, the role of intermediaries is reduced, and transactions are facilitated more efficiently. While both types of perfect markets rely on the principles of supply and demand to determine prices, they differ in terms of the mechanisms used to facilitate transactions and generate revenue. Traditional markets rely on physical infrastructure and human labor to operate, whereas other perfect markets leverage technology and automation. Additionally, traditional markets may charge fees for the use of space or services, whereas other perfect markets may charge commissions or transaction fees.

Yasir, thank you for commenting.

Other perfect markets in this question beside the traditional market are the perfect green market, the perfect red market, the perfect sustainability market, the perfect environmentally clean market.

Once in place those markets will tend to produce at the lowest price possible to maximize profits, but the link between pollution dynamics and profit making is different in all of them.

Can you see the difference between the way perfect traditional markets make money as compared to how other perfect markets do it? For example, perfect traditional market vrs perfect green market

(عند المقارنة بين الاسواق على اختلافها سواء ان كانت (سوق احتكار تام اوسوق احتكار قلة او سوق منافسة تامة

Aseel, it says "when comparing different perfect markets",,,, the question is about perfect marke thinking Beyond Adam Smith's perfect market thinking.

Thank you for commenting