Currently, some political candidates in the United States have done their best to further alienate the world-wide Muslim Community. What can we do as social scientists (and U.S. citizens) to neutralize the effects of crazy candidates like Donald Trump?
(Please accept my Apology for any weaknesses in my answer)
I hope you accept an answer from Saudi Arabian Social Psychologist:
Practically. American Social Scientists (and all social scientists) can do nothing other than search for good grants to understand what is going on and why. Simply, because scientists cannot be independent.
Remember Tajfel did nothing in the face of Hitler, Zimbardo could only show "shocked" facial expression for Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse, Even Naomi Chomsky failed in persuading his students rather than changing US policy. Moreover, many smart social scientists when asked for political advice they justify politicians opinions rather than following their consciousness.
I think you can be more efficient as normal citizens than as dependent social scientist.
Thanks
John -
As a US citizen, in my personal capacity, I also am very dismayed. One may tell us this is just politics we are hearing, but I think that to you and me and many others, this is a clear case of right and wrong.
As US citizens, however, we can vote regarding this. We voted in Barack Hussein Obama as President, so we can't all be morally challenged. However, I believe people are basically the same everywhere, and that does mean a lot of Americans who are easily mislead. But I certainly did not think it would get this weird.
But on the bright side, I think the more extreme people get, the more they alienate themselves from others.
As for reaching out to others, we should just be ourselves in dealing with everyone. We are all just people: citizens of the world. We have a flag that sometimes waves outside: It says "Peace" and has a dove on it.
Jim
Convivencia: A Model for Peace between Muslim, Christian and Jewish Cultures" published in https://www.researchgate.net/profile/John_Cluett
This is a quote from my published research paper. "Christianity, Islam and Judaism, otherwise known as the Abrahamic religions, are being researched at Woolf Institute, Cambridge, United Kingdom; University of Texas, Austin, USA; Georgetown University, Doha, Qatar; The Open University of Israel, Raanana, Israel and the University of CapeTown, Cape Town, South Africa, amongst others. This extensive wealth of knowledge ensures that the many challenges being faced in social interactions and in conflict situations are addressed through a better understanding of these complex relationships.
In my opinion, the basic thing that need to get it right is the philosophy of thinking. What is truth. Science told us about the truth and we really appreciate it in our daily life, but sometimes we tend to forget the rationale behind the principles of science and tend to believe what comes to us in irrational ways using the so call rationality reasoning.
In my opinion, the basic thing that need to get it right is the philosophy of thinking. What is truth. Science told us about the truth and we really appreciate it in our daily life, but sometimes we tend to forget the rationale behind the principles of science and tend to believe what comes to us in irrational ways using the so call rationality reasoning.
In my opinion, the basic thing that need to get it right is the philosophy of thinking. What is truth. Science told us about the truth and we really appreciate it in our daily life, but sometimes we tend to forget the rationale behind the principles of science and tend to believe what comes to us in irrational ways using the so call rationality reasoning.
Yes, I would like to share my own experience. I was part of the Muslim Mahila Andolan since its inception and have been Trustee to the organisation. We have taken up several issues related to the Muslim women. Some of them were as sensitive as 'Triple Talak'. I was never treated by any of the muslim colleagues or activists as 'outsider' . One should keep doing good work and keep making a difference in the lives of needy.
Learning from past religious persecutions to achieve peace in 2016
The current anti Muslim sentiment , driven by the actions and war on ISIS, takes us back into history to the English Reformation in 1517 to 1564 with the persecution of Catholics and Protestants by the reigning monarchs in England
Last words of martyrs of the English Reformation https://catholicismpure.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/last-words-of-martyrs-of-the-english-reformation/
The Spanish Inquisition, established in 1478 to 1845, was started by the Catholics Monarchs of King Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castile to persecute and purge Muslims and Jews from Spain.
Spanish Inquisition | Spanish history [1478-1834] | Britannica.com
http://www.britannica.com/topic/Spanish-Inquisition
These three major religious groups had lived in peaceful harmony in Spain at Al-Andalus in Southern Spain during the Caliphate of Cordoba, Spain, between the years 756 to 1031.
Convivencia: A Model for Peace between Muslim, Christian and Jewish Cultures" published in https://www.researchgate.net/profile/John_Cluett
As Pope Francis calls for World Day of Peace on January 1, 2016, let us all express our feelings and thoughts for peace in 2016.
Pope Francis sees hope for peace in events of 2015 | Crux
http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2015/12/15/pope-francis-sees-hope-for-peace-in-events-of-2015/
Hi John,
there are quite a number of community events held on a world wide basis to show solidarity with Muslim people. We see this in a lot of Australian university communities where international students are often Muslim. So we reach out to them first and bring them into the community. There is a significant body of research (mostly sociology based) around asylum seekers with the community. In Australia, these are around 90% Muslim. In the town where I live and practice, we host a range of community events. Some are local initiatives, others are part of a larger following. It would be good to put a research proposal together with an international focus. If you would like to email me separately to discuss, please do so. Though there are many methodologies that could be used here, I would suggest a structure and agency approach. Best wishes.
Erika Altmann
Hi Erika
Thanks for sharing the work being done in Australia on the integration of Muslims into the community. I would like follow up with you on your suggestion for a research proposal with an international focus.. You may have seen my own research on this topic that is only a very small part of an international issue that requires on-going attention. My email address is below. Look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes for Peace in 2016.
John Cluett
Hi Erika
In my book “Network Africa A Complex System”, available on my Researchgate, I refer to “Women and the Gender Value System” in the model for “Network Africa Flexibility to Change”.
Is the following topic a possible subject for a research proposal as you have suggested?
Regards
John Cluett
Email: [email protected]
Women's role in making peace
As we see the Middle East and Arab nations engaging in war talk, we wonder where a possible solution may come from to start a process of lasting peace.
The persons involved in driving world actions against ISIS and within the Arab countries who are now in open conflict, Saudi Arabia and Iran, are all men.
Is it time we had Women lead a peace process in place of Men who are generally characterized by their strong chauvinistic attitudes and actions towards dealing with issues, be they political, business or religious.
When one reviews the literature, the role of women in Islam, Christianity, Hinduism and Judaism cultures or religions have numerous interpretations, but there is a common thread that runs through all these cultures, namely that Women do have an important role to play in the family and society. Women's rights under Sharia, appears to be more prescriptive than in the other cultures.
Women have already been actively involved in peace keeping and peace making.
It's now time women take on a lead role in a world peace process as we track a dangerous path to an open global conflict.
The openness and love that characterizes the female gender value system is needed urgently.
Posted on John Cluett’s Facebook 4 January 2016
As a student in the field of social study I believe that social science has much to offer different communities. It's basic or core principle within these countries is the right of individuals to flourish according to. Aristotelian ethics. In fact western society could learn much from Muslim countries around the concept of family and respect for elders. However the ability of any society to care for all its people equally should be grounded in Maslows Hierarchy of needs. It's is our ability to help all of our citizens at the same time to ensure everyone gets the best chance in life to experience eudimonia or the good life. As in western society the Muslim countries experience the poor becoming poorer and the rich getting richer. Like many of their western counterparts the are experiencing exactly the same issues. The difficulty is how to we demonstrate the good aspects of social science it needs to be evidenced in the governing and ruling of the country where all citizens are treated equally whether they are young or old Christian or Muslim able or disabled. We need to value each other and respect differences be they religious or political if we can learn to work together as a single United voice then the descenting voice can be suffocated. It would be nice to see more international student become interested in the social sciences and bring some of the philosophical psychological and sociological ideas to their own community. Opening up discussion and discources on all aspects of life affecting people not just focussing on one single issue but on issues affecting society as a whole. If people spent more time studying people socioligically and looking at how society operates and is structured not only within their own culture but within other cultures and countries we might have avoided some of the issues in the world today. The world is a small place a place we were asked to protect and nurture and it is the I e area that all of humanity is not able to do successfully. If we all don't protect the planet and strive for mutual understanding. Then we have failed in our responsibility to each other and are hurtling forward into disaster and distruction of the very place we all live.
Hmm, thank you John,
This is an interesting area. Women definitely need to take a more active role in seeking peace. For women to take an active role, they first need to be more broadly educated and involved in political processes. Women living with Sharia law in western countries are more likely to be able to develop processes that bridge this gap. There is a view that in other countries where women are seen as subservient to males, building these political bridges may be more difficult. Against this, we continue to see more women becoming politically active in terrorism circles, so there must be some key differences between the structure of terrorism cells and 'normal' society in those countries. Social sciences have been increasingly undervalued over the past 30 years. This coincided with the rise of 'business' models which arose out of sociology, anthropology, psychology and accounting practices. While peace is good for business, it is well known that war also creates business, and business is also dominated by males, particularly at the CEO and board level. So for peace to arise, there needs to be a many pronged approach. I'm trying to access a copy of “Network Africa A Complex System” to see where a synchronicity lies.
Hi Erika
Thanks for reply and very interesting comments.
I am attaching a link to my book “Network Africa A Complex Systems” that is available on Researchgate. I obtained permission from the publishers, Xlibris, to include the book on Researchgate although the book can be obtained through the Internet. Royalty received, if purchased through Internet, go to an international charity dedicated to supporting children in Africa.
The book is an autobiography but “Chapter 3: Social, Religious, and Political Scenarios” and “Chapter 4: Network Africa” refer to my experiences in these two section. Chapter 4 describes the “Network Africa Model: Flexibility to Change” where gender values and role of women play an important role in the change process.
Although much of the text describes my experience in a business environment, this is influenced significantly by the social environments.
Regards
John
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/275335219
Book Network Africa A Complex System
Synchronicity
Hi Erika
I wonder if you found the "synchronicity" you are looking for in the subject we have been discussing.
Looking at the meaning of this word as described by Carl Jurg as "meaningful coincidences" I would certainly like to pursue the topic in more detail as you suggested.
After reading "Traditional African divination systems as information technology" by Andre Croucamp, attached, I wonder if my Africa Network model has compiled a creative process of communication that results in synchronicity within people in Africa and other areas of the world?
Although many regions around the world are in human conflict and material recession, we still have all the elements to bring them back to “normality”. One may well ask if the business models developed over the years have failed us and we now need to look at social models as the cusp to ensure change, as mentioned in your previous mail. This is where Gender Values and the role of women would lead the process of change.
Best wishes
John
I think we need some international conferences on Peace!
Hi Mary
I full support your call for a Peace conference. The main speakers must be women, for example Malala Yousafzai, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2014. “According to Nobel’s will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year “shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion for peace congresses””
This type of conference should be sponsored by an organisation that has the credibility in the international media to report on current affairs in a balanced manner. For example, CNN programmes and interviews by Christiane Amanpour always address key issues with important people that are in the news.
Although contributions by Rearchgate members cover a very diverse range of scientific subjects, the burning platform at international level now centres on the conflict that exist between cultures, races and genders, and the dramatic fall the world’s financial structures. I some way, both of these are interlinked.
My contribution on the subject of Peace is published in Researchgate as attached. In my LinkedIn page, “I Plead for Peace”.
Mary, should your call for a conference materialise, please let me know. I would like to lend a hand as I have been very involved in conferences in my professional group IBD Africa over 20 years.
Best wishes
John
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I would rather ask: can Muslims out there reach out to Europeans and explain to them why Muslim rape of European women is so widespread in Europe?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/german-women-cologne-mass-attacks_us_568bde20e4b0b958f65cda0e
http://nypost.com/2016/01/10/europe-is-enabling-a-rape-culture/
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5386/british-girls-raped-oxford
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12088341/Two-teenage-girls-gang-raped-by-four-Syrian-nationals-in-southern-Germany.html
Ricardo
I think we are judging Muslims as a result of recent events without taking into account their own concerns of how their religion is being dragged into disrepute.
I have read the publication by Dr Fatima Kassab Al-Hmoud Bani Khalid as attached that is a very important insight into the subject. I suggest you read this and then, with respect, maybe you could refrain your question.
As the author of "Convivencia A Model for Peace between Christian, Muslim and Jewish Cultures" attached and available on Researchgate, my research has allowed me to view this highly complex situation from different sides: "not every thing is at it looks".
Best wishes
John
Conference Paper The Human Principles that Govern the State of War in the Cla...
Mr. Cluett:
First, it is wrong to say that "we are judging Muslims as a result of recent events" --- these are not recent events , but bespeak of a regular and recurring pattern of behaviour all across Europe; the mainstream media and academics have been hiding these violent behaviours from the general public because they refute the illusion that mass immigration and diversity are "enriching" the culture of Europeans.
The raping, robbing, and violence started in Germany months before the Cologne incident: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/638815/German-police-told-not-prosecute-migrants-before-Cologne-NYE-attacks
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-germany
And it has been going in Europe for years: In England it is now established that "Widespread organised child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013" by Pakistani gangs.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089
In Sweden, Norway, France...
Secondly, I don't see the logic of your argument, which seems to be that since Muslims hold principles of human rights, it follows that we should not talk about the actual violence committed by Muslims against European women.
The way you want the question to be framed is to put the burden on Europeans to learn to co-exist with Muslims, but it should be the other way around, and we should, in fact, ask, for starters: why do we need Muslims in Europe in the first place? Why don't they stay in their own homelands and take care of their own people?
Dear Ricardo
Your points are taken but stress the importance of requiring a common understanding of each others beliefs, attitudes and behaviours that directly or indirectly result in offending people of different cultures across the world.
The scenario you have pointed out in Europe today is no different to what we have experienced and suffered throughout the ages, as history has recorded and as urban legends have been told by families over the ages.
Muslims have ben part of our history in Europe since 700 AD when they invaded Spain, as recorded in the manuals of history and in my publication. They left behind evidence of their culture that is evident in buildings and also stored in many written books and poems and even may be embedded in the DNA of some of us that now despise them and those that respect them.
The subject we are now addressing in our correspondence is the burning platform that is raging in Europe, America and other places around the world.
My personal take on this matter is that we had better find a way to live peacefully together or we will destroy ourselves in our current lives and for the future.
John
I disagree with the statement that "the scenario you have pointed out in Europe today", [namely, regular and recurring rapes by Muslims] is no different to what we have experienced and suffered throughout the ages".
Totally wrong; in fact there is no precedent in human history in which masses of immigrants will be invited, with many of their males then raping the girls from the host population, and the media, academics hiding this reality, or finding excuses like Cluett. There is no precedent in which the men of the host population, in reaction to the raping of their girls and women, will reply in the manner that Cluett did, which is typical among European males.
You can be sure that if the situation was reversed, white males regularly raping Muslims girls, there would be a massive outrage, AND Muslim men would not have tolerated it, and find excuses. European males who find excuses are not respected one iota by females or Muslims.
Cluett is also wrong, though he is again voicing what he is supposed to believe, "that Muslims have been part of our history in Europe since 700 AD when they invaded Spain".
Just because they occupied parts of Spain for a few hundred years, getting kicked out from almost all of Spain as early as 1400, does not mean they are part of our history. Just because countries have interacted through war and trade, it does not follow they are each part of everyone else's history. The reason this false claim is often made is to give the impression that current migrant invasions are normal and part of Europe's history; a total fabrication.
John,
The first thing would be for the american republicans to vote for candidate other than
Donald Trump. This would say to the world that Trump do not speak for them. What these islamist terrorists want is that non-muslim indiscrimatly associate all muslims with them. Trump contribute to that because he sees a benefit for him in this election; his game is to picture all the Others (mexicans, south american, muslims, economics patterners, etc) as unfair and taking advantage of the all too good americans and it is time to be uncompromising, be strong , to be as we used to be, the stronger and to elect a Führer.
Reply to Brassard, who is wrong on all counts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwf4jre98Q
Ricardo and Louis
Firstly I want to thank you for your comments, it is very evident that all of us and may others hold very different views on the current situation based on our own interpretations on reports in papers, on television and social media. I watch different TV channels every evening that report from US, UK, Russia, Middle East, China and India, and what fascinates me is the divergent views expressed on the same events.
I also have to respect the knowledge of researchers on historical events that are based on the written words. Even these are different as we read the history of world events written by different authors. In some languages the same historical event is highlighted in one and ignored in the other.
I my current home in South Africa, the events preceding and following the fall of Apartheid in 1994 are being played out every day on our streets, in the press and on social media. What is happening in Europe with the movement of people is no different to what is happening across Africa. Much of the negativity is due to the sociological impact of injustice and corruption of political leaders and racial differences. But conversely so much of the beauty of Africa is based on the people who have migrated across the continent, and further afield, bringing a rich culture with their languages, customs and songs that make Africa unique. Previous migrations into Europe and America have also had to deal and adapt to the Diaspora of people with different cultures. That is what we are all about.
John
John,
It is good to hear from an south-african with european ancestry about the beauty of peole of Africa. Our former prime minister, Brian Mulroney has played a helping role in help Mandella and De Klerk transitioned out of apartheid. I was a yound adult then and from far away I was mistaken in thinking then that it would end in a blood bath. I was glad to have been proven wrong. Canadian society has become more open to immigration and as a consequence after half a century the canadian societies has been more multicultural. But we have not progress much with the first nations which are still into a regime of more or less apartheid from the rest of the canadian societies; half a century ago there was a real racism and hate against them but now it is not the case but they are still a broken people that live on social welfare in remote communities where there are no jobs but still hoping. I have multiple identities. I live in the subburb of Vancouver, an english speaking societies where 80% of the population was not born here and with half of these new comers coming from Asia. Here I am a minority and in many ways an immigrant although I was born in Canada. But I was born in Quebec where the first brassard came from Normandie in 1625 and was among the first 100 french canadien in then ''the nouvelle france''. But I am also proud that the father of my mother was a Italian of Calabria that immigrated after the WWI. It is sad that most canadian called themself proud canadians but that the first canadians are the only one that are not yet proud to be canadians. They have been cast out. I have immigrant friend that came here from Penjab 20 years ago that feel more belonging into the canadian society than most of the first native canadian.
Louis
Thanks for your comments on South Africa that was very fortunate to have friends like Brian Mulroney to have help Mandela and De Klerk walk through those very rocky grounds before and after 1994. The new regime keeps harping on the unique role of Mandela but some of us know the truth. This was the point I stressed in my last communication to Roberto and you that there is never one version of the "historic" truth. The new SA history books written for the schools will be very different to those used before 1994. And the killing and burning of homes belonging to immigrants from Africa by the local Africans from ethnic background continues. A social problem with the integration of cultures seen in many countries now and in years gone by. The Indians who were brought to SA many years ago to work on the sugar plantations are now well established and represent an important section of the population, much like your friend from Punjab. The excel in business and academically they feature as top achievers. I lived in India some years back for 4 years and have returned on business and holidays; I find the country very fascinating and feel very welcomed everywhere I have visited. The cast system is entrenched throughout their society and has kept these groups separated even to this day. The Anglo-Indians are an interesting group of people who got their heritage from UK engineers that went to India to build the railway system some years back. This group still yearns for the roots of their forefathers.
I visited Canada some years back on business and enjoyed the people and the country side in Alberta and the east coast but sadly missed Quebec.
My own roots are Anglo-Spanish: my father from England and my mother's family from Andalucía, Spain and born in Gibraltar. We lived in Southern Spain, hence my interest in the Muslim occupation of Al-Andalus that left behind a country that is proud of its heritage; now they battle with extremists as does the rest of Europe and the world..
John,
I visited Europe only once in my honey moon in 1988 and we visited the south of Spain, Alicante, Granada, Seville and we visited Morocco. I really like the moorish architecture in Granada which was better than what I saw in Morocco. The cathedral of Seville was incredible. There was so much think to see there that I walked next to the tumb of Columbus and did not even noticed!
Regards
As much has been commented on this topic, I concur with the position that appreciate beauty in other and respect human sanctity and integrity. Be it Europeans or Muslim, we have all committed indelible historical errors, though that is never an insinuation that nothing good was our by-product. As much as certain immigrant Muslims are labeled miscreants and as Ricardo Duchesne argues that "these are not recent events , but bespeak of a regular and recurring pattern of behaviour all across Europe; the mainstream media and academics have been hiding these violent behaviours from the general public because they refute the illusion that mass immigration and diversity are "enriching" the culture of Europeans." Same is true for the atrocities of European natives (generally labeled as far-right radicals) that have received less reporting by the authorities. My research also shows unequal documentation and reporting of crimes committed by this segment of the society, interesting supported by EUMC's reports and other European Commission's reports.
The fact of the matter is that there has been an indisputable radicalisation of European youth, the kind of radicalism that transcends religious and ethnic boundaries, although Western media has given more importance and problematise the radicalism of European Muslim youth than urban atrocious on the part of native European youths. We all need to be Introspective about the discourse than labeling other. Evil can always be perpetuated by the weak as much as the custodian of power.
Louis and Najimbeen
My research on the issues commented on by a number of us on this topic is documented in the attachment, "Convivencia A Model for Peace between Christian, Muslim and Jewish Cultures. War against ISIS, Peace in Syria, what next?"
It reflects on my experiences living in Al-Andalus, Andalucía as it is now called, invaded by the Moors in 756 AD, leaving behind a wealth of culture and history better described by so many authors. Part of the publication describes the positive elements of this era as I experienced them in my life that includes those parts of Spain from where Columbus sailed to discover America, Palos a small town on the Rio Tinto near Huelva.
History also tells us about the negative elements of the Caliphate of Cordoba and their successors in Europe that we now relate in my document to the modern Caliphate declared by ISIS. And so we pick up on the current debate about Muslims, who for me are peace loving people, but like many religious groups now have or have had in the past extremists leaders and followers that have brought death and destruction to many.
My hope still lies on a way to find Peace. A number of researchers with whom I have communicated privately on Researchgate believe peace in our times will be difficult to achieve as there are too many who do not want it and are making good business out of war.
Regards
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I am curious about "research" of "crimes committed by this segment of the society ["far right"]..."
The notion that the mainstream media would hide such crimes is ludicrous, they would play them up relentlessly, while covering up the crimes of rapefugees.
Mandela's South Africa has been a failure with endemic rape, highest homicides in the world and systematic killing of white farmers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_South_Africa
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/south-africa-rape-nightmare-crime-stats
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/south-africa-a-country-at-war-as-rate-soars-to-nearly-49-a-day
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/180781/gruesome-reality-racist-south-africa-arnold-ahlert
http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/08/14/can-the-murder-of-south-african-whites-be-called-genocide/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECXHgm-2DcU
This is the reality of reporting in Germany about refugees; government dictates what can be said about refugees; they are determined to diversify Germany, destroy its ethnic make up, not just in Germany but all across the West, but things have backfired with relentless raping of white girls: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/02/top-german-journalist-admits-live-on-air-national-news-agenda-set-by-government/
Dear John Cluett,
I am reading your interesting document. Reading about Flamenco dance and music and it made me remember the best movies of my youth: the Joselito movies. I enjoyed so much that music and I think it is the reason why I find Adhan music hypnotically attractive.
Dear John Cluett,
I read the document but I did not read all the references. The cultural first part is informative. You changed forever my perception of ancient egyptians: bear drinkers!!! I would have like to learn more about what was the type of society was the ismalic Spain. I wished you would have specified what could be envisioned by a modern movement of convivencia. I have no clue. And nowadays the situation of living peacefully together is much more complicated , not only we have a large religious diversity but we have a large number of people which are totally allergic to religion in the publlic sphere. I do not believe in the sincerity of the UN, nor the US in their so-called fight against ISIS. I see ISIS as one of the many islamistic radical political movement financed and ideologically guided by the Saudis and the gulf states with the implicit approval of their master: the US government. It is a old alliance and it has been usefull in Afganistan, it even predated the US,, the US only took the place of the british master and it was originally used to clear the way for the british empire take over, then oil came and the alliance continue. Most of the victims are in those countries but from time to time there is a islamist attact on the West, 9/11, paris, etc and this is very convenient in bringing about the security state, increase in secret agency, increase in armement, limitation of privacy and individual rights, and most importantly providing a climate of fear and a need for big brother type of state.
Louis and Ricardo
Convivencia means social harmony is Spanish. "Convivencia refers to the existence of Christian, Muslim and Jewish communities in Medieval Spain and by extension of the cultural interaction and exchange fostered by such proximity. The term convivencia first appeared as part of a controversial thesis about Spanish historical identity advanced by Americo Castro in 1948: “Espana en su historia: cristianos, moros y judios”. Since then, interest in the idea of convivencia has spread, fuelled in part by attention to multi-cultural and rising concern about religious framed acts of violence" This is a quote from my publication. My interpretation of the word Convivencia in todays world is trying to find a way to achieve social harmony by emulating some of the learnings of that period in our history.
Ricardo your comments that Mandela's South Africa has been a failure... is expressed by many in the press and social media every day. Having lived in South Africa since 1981, my opinion and that of many others in this country and elsewhere is the opposite. I am white so I am not influenced by those Africans that felt as liberated when Mandela and the ANC came to power after a democratic process that included a peaceful election where we all stood in line to vote for the first time in the history of South Africa.
However, having lived through Franco's fascist regime in Spain from birth, I have a clear benchmark of what it means to be "liberated". Spain and South Africa have much in common in that the old regimes built countries with many positive attributes that favoured a specific group of the population, and once the old regimes passed away, and new leadership took over, those liberated rejoiced. After the change both countries have had to deal with important sociological challenges, like every nation that has been through a similar transformation without suffering a war of liberation. In Spain, Franco died and in South Africa, there was a peaceful negotiated change in political power. However transformation has been difficult for those on both sides of the change process.
What baffles me is that we never learn from history.
Here are the facts about South Africa rather than personal feelings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4SS8uyhQnY
Show me a better factually based analysis.
South Africa is a total mess. These are my personal feelings. I lived there for 50 years. It was a mess before 1994 - and it is a worse mess after 1994. All that has changed is that the colour of the oppressors has changed - and everything is much worse than it was before. It will be a very long time before social harmony will exist there - if ever. How anyone can say that things are going well there is beyond me!
At present there are many negative and factual reports on South Africa, I do not need to add to these. As to my positive personal feelings, I must add that in these 30 years many of us have been actively involved in change processes at different levels. These have shown very significant transformation allowing many of all cultures and genders to lead successful businesses and social organisations. Having been an Alternate Visiting Professor at a leading university I have seen the changes happen over the last years, despite recent disturbances at these institutions: a sign of the times. The bad news is well communicated and the good news is poorly communicated. I am not selling South Africa to you, I am here for the long haul.
Dear John Cluett,
Building on the long haul is not for those demanding quick and magical answers to all the problems. We have to remember over and over again that all the big destructors in human history all promess fast and quick answer opening the door of paradise here on earth and each time this quick answer designated a culprit that we just had to kill. Each time these big destructors came in hard time, in time of desperation, time where building is most necessary but time where destruction is so much easier.
South Africa is moving from anomie to anarchy. The winds of change will blow SA so far off-course that it will take generations for some civilised order to return. The youth (born after 1994) have not seen full-blown apartheid (which was very bad) - but they have experienced chaos, turmoil, and cultural decay (which is bad). It will take generations for a stable culture to emerge - the long haul might take a very long time. This is not "culture shock" - but rather "culture clash". The question asked was what can be learnt from history - and it seems to me that multiculturalism leads to cultural decline - where cultures get "watered down" and cultural identity is lost. With the loss of cultural identity comes the loss of personal identity. If anomie is not the end of the individual then anarchy is the end of civilised society. Sounds melodramatic? Have a look at the video "Africa Addio 1966" on YouTube.
“In James Michener’s “Texas”, he traces the cultural development of that State with meticulous details. The presence of a precise sociological term, “anomie” is highlighted, being the emotional state of mind during times of radical change. These manifest themselves in feelings of disorientation followed by alienation and this condition continues.
This situation is not unlike that expounded in 1985 by Sir Laurens Van Der Post during his visit to South Africa when he pleaded for a united Africa. The solution to our problems should be sought in the history of Southern Africa where even in times of strife, the victor and the vanquished have come to an understanding. He also added that the femininity of love for the country and its people must supersede the current male chauvinistic attitude that impedes dialogue in our entire nation”. Extract from my publication on Researchgate, “Network Africa A Complex System”.
Don Beck and Graham Linscott, published their book “The Crucible; Forging South Africa’s Future”, ISBN 0620162474 in 1991. Part 1 Chaos, Complexity and Order, describes the emergence of a new paradigm of thinking flowing out of major global changes in science, politics, economics and social transformation. The new framework will then be used as a total systems in analysing South Africa today and in forging its future over this final decade of the 20th century”. Having worked with Don Beck in South Africa for some time, I can say that what he predicted in the book is verified from the facts that have occurred over the last two decades and into the future..
We have come a long a way since John F Munro posted the question; "Are there any lessons from social science that would allow non-muslims to reach out to the Muslim Community Worldwide?". We have moved on from the original text over the last few weeks to other important social environments, including the Muslim community, showing the importance of social development throughout the world and what we still have to learn from each other .
Find a local Muslim temple and ask to visit and get acquainted. Offer them support in a letter regarding hate crimes. They're fabulous people.
The problem with European men, white men generally, as we can see here in their responses, is that they are emasculated, think and act like females, to the point that even women are telling them to man up, start behaving like men; no male outside Europe, least of all Muslim men, respect them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYOORimbpUs
Ricardo,
I watched 3 minutes out of this 8 minutes videos and frankly I had enough about this simple logic that tell european man to be real man, man as we used to be and stand up for your women against these realm muslim men. Is'nt it ridiculous to try to justify one macho man for protection against another macho man. The new western viewpoint, a view point which I agree with, is that we do not need macho man anymore. What will stop the rapists of all origin and background is not a macho man which tend to be himself a rapist but though laws on rape and a justice proces where the raped victim is not the accused. Though on rape justice will intimidate all the macho man rapists. But on the long run only education will do., Noted that I do understand well macho man since I was matcho man in my youth but we can change. We really need to move towards a more feminine culture and society so we cease to breed all these macho man.
just sit back and watch the cultural invasion? The new way - a culture for a culture and a society for a society? A universal society or a one-dimensional society based on a religion? Forget about the Greeks and Romans bringing civilised democratic thought to the minds of the hordes? Why does the West have to change its culture? Who exactly wants that?
John,
Look at any healty societies that are culturally thriving and you see that it is not closed to new comers , that culture is mixed, and that people do not concentrated in their relation with each other on who they are but what they do. We should encourage excellence in doing not excellence in background or race or things that we received but did not developed. Even the notion of Europe is recent or the West is even more recent and it succeeded to other one which succeeded on previous one. Nothing stop and nothing should stop. And the sons of these barbarous hordes have become the beacon of civilisation in Goethe, Herder, Kant,Beethoven, Mozart, etc. But all societies and the whole humanity need to live together. This call to live together is the religiosity that is within human being but which to express in all the new ages.
Brassard admits he could not watch the video interview, could not handle a different idea, but instead goes on to make the absurd argument that rapists and people who opposed rapists are both macho men and equally the same. He says: "What will stop the rapists of all origin and background is not a macho man which tend to be himself a rapist"--- this is how insane the left has become, if you take a stand against rapists, which requires being tough, then you are the same as the rapist!
Feminists were the ones who instilled the crazy idea that being a man, in and of itself, means being an insensitive rapist macho man; no, being a man means not taking advantage of women but protecting them against rapists. Did you get that. or is that too difficult to comprehend?
Cultural diversity is one thing - cultural dominance is a completely different thing. What has happened to equality, fraternity, and freedom? Allowing others "to be" does not allow them to do as they wish just because of their religious beliefs. Religious beliefs should be personal - and should not be imposed upon a society. Believe what you will - but allow others to do the same. A society has the right to defend its culture - but it does not have the right to attack another culture. In my book charity begins at home - you worry about your own culture before you worry about other cultures. What reason is there to expect support from the "West" when clearly those wanting support do not respect the "West"?
Ricardo, I do not agree with your comment about white men being emasculated.
The debate and research around male and female gender values is extensive. My research and experience in business and in social environments, has shown that the male gender values are strongly dominating and drives teams and people to achieve their "goals". Much of the aggression we see in male political leaders today is driving us to war. Empathy and tolerance are seen as attributes in the female value system as a result of their role in the family environment.
As a male with a typical Latin "machismo" character, I have become acutely aware of the differences between the two value systems as a direct result of research and training in these differences. My travels across many countries has also shown me that these differences are entrenched in the cultures of those counties that influence both business and social life.
I have learned to change and found those behaviours and coping mechanism, attributed to the female gender values, contribute to more success in the business and social environments, without losing my Latin "machismo" and charm! .
Look, what this female is saying in the video lecture I sent about European men losing their masculinity is obviously true, and she happens to be a feminist who believes in the same civic rights for women. But she is not an academic feminist against male virtues. I am also a feminist in the same way as she.
She is not calling for a barbaric reaction by Europeans against rapists, but wondering why European men don't react like men in the face of regular and recurring rape of their women throughout Europe, but instead, like Cluett, call for more diversity and more Muslim immigration and for European men to hug and embrace Islam even more.
There is no precedent for this way of acting by men in human history, for men to sympathize with rapist of their women, with alien ideologies, foreigners.
You don't believe me? Here are two recent reactions by Russian and Chinese against foreigners caught molesting or raping their women:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/04/refugees-go-clubbing-in-russia-harass-girls-wake-up-in-hospital-the-next-morning/
You thought Chinese men were non-aggressive and bookish? Grow up: http://breizatao.com/2015/10/18/chine-lafricain-viole-une-etudiante-chinoise-la-foule-lui-coupe-le-sexe-au-couteau/
Ricardo,
If a man commit a crime: robbing, rape, kill then we have to bring him before the justice. If that man is a african american should we indicted all african americans. If that man is a caucasian american should we accuse all caucasian american? If that man is a muslim , should we accuse all muslims? Asking the question is answering it. You are an academic able to understand complex topic. Why is it difficult for you to anwer these simple questions?
Who is accusing all Muslims? These types of questions are intended to silence those who notice that the the diversification program of Europe has turned into a disaster. You have read enough of my comments, in this exchange and others, to know that I have never said all Muslims.
Ricardo,
You said:
''I would rather ask: can Muslims out there reach out to Europeans and explain to them why Muslim rape of European women is so widespread in Europe?''
By using the expression ''Muslim rape'' you are effectivly putting the European muslim or at least the new comer in the same basket. We do not use expression such as:
''Black raping'' or ''Caucasian raping''.
I appreciate your concern in this regard . Just as Donald Trump does not represent all Americans , the extremists don't represent all Muslims, I wonder why it needs to be emphasized so much. Its not that complicated . I really loved the way Pres.Obama expressed his concern on the issue during his recent visit to a mosque, that's how other enlightened social scientists can reach out as well.
I appreciate your concern in this regard . Just as Donald Trump does not represent all Americans , the extremists don't represent all Muslims, I wonder why it needs to be emphasized so much. Its not that complicated . I really loved the way Pres.Obama expressed his concern on the issue during his recent visit to a mosque, that's how other enlightened social scientists can reach out as well.
Ricardo Duchesne this reference to me is insulting and a distortion by you of the facts “but instead, like Cluett, call for more diversity and more Muslim immigration and for European men to hug and embrace Islam even more”.
“There is no precedent for this way of acting by men in human history, for men to sympathize with rapist of their women, with alien ideologies, foreigners.”
Diaspora of various civilisations over the centuries, like what is happening now as a result of the conflict in the Middle East, have resulted positively or negatively on counties where they end up. You seem to find references concerning the negative impact of this Diaspora.
Brassard cites these words from me as support of his claim that I said "all Muslims":
"I would rather ask: can Muslims out there reach out to Europeans and explain to them why Muslim rape of European women is so widespread in Europe?''
Right, I said "can Muslims out there" meaning the Muslims who are not involved in these acts. Let's not play games, all acts of violence are committed by a minority relative to the total population, but it cannot be denied that there is an epidemic of Muslim and Migrant raping going on. If the situation was reversed, if German men, or British men were targeting Muslim women for rape, there would a never ending mass condemnation by whites against it, and Muslims out there would be up in arms defending their women; but political correctness tells us that when non-white men do it, we should just work with them, be nicer, promote more diversity, rather than point fingers.
The mainstream media is hiding this reality, happening everyday: here are the most recent cases:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/05/ten-year-old-boy-brutally-raped-by-iraqi-migrant-at-pool-in-vienna/
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6910086/Five-migrants-among-7-young-men-who-laughed-danced-and-sang-in-Arabic-as-they-gang-raped-unconscious-girl-of-17.html
Here many cases with video clips: http://conservativepapers.com/news/2016/02/02/europe-in-chaos-videos-of-muslim-migrants-attacking-europeans/
The refugee crisis into Europe and beyond, caused by the political turmoil in Middle East, Africa and further afield, is being tarnished by reports of crimes in host countries. By some, this is seen as the negative effect of those involved in this tragic Diaspora and directed to Muslims.
Let us not forget the crimes committed during World War 2. On December 12, 2014, Evan Fauen published an article entitled “Top 10 Allied War Crimes of World War II” where the opening sentence summarizes the events. “As they say, history is written by the victor. No example of this is more true than the Second World War. Although many are quick to paint the Allies as heroes, many forget the large number of Allied war crimes committed against the Axis powers”.
The Allied heroes came from countries that are now hosting the refugees mentioned above.
Ricardo,
''all acts of violence are committed by a minority relative to the total population, but it cannot be denied that there is an epidemic of Muslim and Migrant raping going on.''
In the US there is incredible large amount of African american man in the prison system. What question should we ask when seeing this statistic? Is there something very wrong with that minority? We should rather ask ''Is there historical social circumstance that can explain that statistic? Two very very different questions. The first question pre-supose that these are monsters and then the question become why are they monster or how can we get rid of the monster or how can we be more though on the monster. The second question find other kind of evils and will bring quite different type of solutions.
Much before this refugee crisis in Europe you were totally against non-Caucasian migrating in Western countries. So these recent raping of Caucasian German women by new man refugees from the middle east seems to be a good case for your crusade for the West. But even these sad events cannot justified your cruisade for the West against the non-Westerners immigrants. Raping of women was not on your radar screen prior to these events and are of concern to you only because of the usefulness for the cause of protection of the West from contimination that will lead to its downfall.
I don't have clue what Cluett is saying but it appears that he wants to say what he may have heard on some TV news or read in some half baked academic book; in any case, referring to the Second War to rationalize and excuse rapes today tells you more about his lack of moral character using one tragedy to justify another one.
Half of what Brassard says is unreadable and appears, again, to be using one crime to justify another one. So much for his humanitarianism.
Regarding black crime rates in the US, well; let me clear the air a bit with some solid facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDazIXANnH0
http://whitegirlbleedalot.com/
Interesting when one feels the only person in step and in the know how of what the world is all about. Richard Duchesne will leave you to your own world of scientific research.
Ricardo,
What is your true crusade? Are you really for humanitarianism? Are you really against raping? What is your real concern?
I close my case and arguments on this question, that we have followed on Researchgate, with the conviction expressed in my publication, “Convivencia A Model for Peace between Christian, Muslim and Jewish Cultures. War against ISIS, Peace in Syria, What next?” in which I have cited 34 references from academic and other sources supporting different aspects of the topic. Much more has been written and communicated on social media and in the course of this communication on Researchgate, for which I am grateful. To those suffering the consequences of this tragedy developing in one way or another before our very eyes, “Peace be with you”.
Brassard asks me "what is your real concern?" as if to imply that I have a hidden malicious motive in showing concern for the widespread rape of girls. My motive in this exchange was clear from the start: to challenge the presumed notion that it is for Europeans to be open minded and inclusive towards Muslims, as if they were not already inclusive enough with their intake of millions of immigrants and promotion of multiculturalism. It was to show that the burden should be place on Muslims to be inclusive.
Brassard says that we should not identify the rapists by ethnicity or religion, which is the standard enforced view by the corporate media, so as to hide reality and confuse the public and, indeed, create the impression that the rapes are just normal violence committed by "men" generally, and possibly the Germans, British, or Europeans themselves. But finally the Daily Mail has identified the rapists by ethnicity rather than giving impression that it was just "British men": http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3434382/A-private-school-girl-mothers-excuse-gang-rape-terrifying-culture-clash-no-one-dares-talk-Somalian-men-living-laws-native-country-causing-devastating-repercussions-Britain.html
It is time to call a spade a spade and stop deceiving the public with "convivencia" BS: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/250769/hundreds-more-muslim-rape-gang-cases-discovered-uk-robert-spencer
So, my motivation is that I believe in the right of women and children not to be raped, and in the right of the law and media to identify the perps.
Convivencia speaks to the integration of three cultures as described in “Interacciones narrativas árabes, cristianas y judía: convivencia literaria en el Medievo peninsular” . Thesis written in Spanish.
David Navarro, “Interacciones narrativas árabes, cristianas y judía: convivencia literaria en el Medievo peninsular”. February 2013, University of Western Ontario –Electronic Thesis and Dissertation Repository
"The thesis developed a critical study based on the theory, intergroup relations and social discourse of cultural symbiosis between the three religious communities of Medieval Iberian Peninsula – Christians, Jews and Muslims – reflected in books written of the period from eleventh to fourteenth centuries. The study is divided into two sections – one the analysis of the term convivencia coined by Americo Castro in his contributions to this topic as well as those made by his followers and his opposition. The second part consists of three chapters and cultural interactions that emerged during the convivencia period." Text from "Convivencia A Model for Peace between Christian, Muslim and Jewish Cultures. War against ISIS, Peace in Syria, What next?" published by me in Researchgate.
For those opposed to this concept of social harmony, Convivencia, a more radical Eurocentric model could be more acceptable.
We all have the right to expression and no one can discard Convivencia claiming it is deceiving the public as Duchesne does in his previous communication.
Ricardo,
It seems to me that your primary concerns is that immigrations is changing the ethnic composition of the West. You seem to think that this is threatening something important. I do not understand why it is so important what colour the skin of a person and why you think that it is correlated to the goodness of the person or to its capacity to be an asset for the society. I live in Vancouver were almost everybody is an immigrant and the city is thriving and living in harmony. What is your concern?
Cluett, the "convivencia" thesis has been challenged as consisting of nothing more than wishful thinking. See: https://home.isi.org/myth-andalusian-paradise
Brassard: Yes, I have other concerns besides the delimited manner in which this exchange has been conducted, but I am trying to stick to the theme at hand. I can tell you, however, that if one is seriously interested in ethnic diversity, then the promotion of mass immigration and racial mixing is the way to destroy this diversity; and since this is being directed at European created nations, and only European created nations, the result will be, as it is already happening, the destruction of the true diversity that has existing for thousands of years in the West.
The claim that almost everyone is an immigrant in Vancouver is nothing but propaganda; the Asians are mostly recent immigrants; the Anglos and Europeans are all natives of Vancouver, with many generations behind them, the true founders of the city. So, try to get the history of your city correct.
Ricardo,
I live in the Vancouver region for 26 years now and I can tell you that only a small minority of the person I know here were born in the city. I call them the native and they are a rare breed. Among them, there are a few Hong Kong chineese, a few Penjaby. Most of the Canadian Caucasian came either from the interior of BC or from the Prairies and those from the prairies were 2th or 3th generation immigrant from easter europe. Since my culture is primary French canadian and that we are a tiny minority in the city, about 25000 then our community is down the list of minority group here. Yes most of Asians are mostly recent immigrant, like everybody else, including the Anglos.
I have this essay on Vancouver which addresses ethnic demographics of the city. The key issue is that Vancouver was created by Anglo with some Europeans, and they are the founders of the city, and now the city is inescapably becoming Asian dominated: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280091578_Multicultural_Madness
Article Multicultural Madness
Duchesne the following is an extract from my publication on Convivencia, so I am fully aware that there are those that advance it as a myth and some as a possible model for Peace, as I do..
"The term convivencia first appeared as part of a controversial thesis about Spanish historical identity advanced by Americo Castro in 1948: “Espana en su historia: cristianos, moros y judios”. Since then, interest in the idea of convivencia has spread, fuelled in part by attention to multi-cultural and rising concern about religious framed acts of violence".
Ricardo,
I read your article: Multicultural Madness. First I want to say that I am attached to my European heritage . But I do not see this see the preservation of the good aspects of this heritage as related to the ethnic composition of canada. I personally think that the greatest threat to this heritage is coming from the transformation of societies by economic forces and the elimination of all these human values by the only value of the economy: Money. The new immigrants and the children born here are all equally at risk from this new cultural leveling process. Culture do not see ethnic boundaries. The proof of that is that in the European enlightment it moved through all these ethnic boundaries then and created uniform values accross all kind of boundaries, Of course you will find racists in all cultures and in all countries. But is it a reason to be racist ourself. I think that you are fighting the wrong ennemy to the European culture. European culture came from Jesus (Jews), Socrates (Jews) they borrowed a lot from Egyptians, Syrians, Persian which were all in contact with our friend from India and then we borrowed from the Spanish muslin , the barbarous German , and the western european ethnic groups. Culture penetrated all these people and one type of culture is not defeat by ethnicity but other cultures. And in the current historical situation, I do not see the threat to western culture coming from Indian culture, chineese culture, or whatever because all of them are also threaten by the all powerfull ecomic leveling culture.
Anarchy is the result of cultural collapse - and this will happen with mass migration. "Patriotism" emerges when a culture is under threat - and "right-wing" elements come to the fore - with dire results. The solution (right-wing action) to the problem (mass migration and threat to the existing culture) leads to cultural chaos. The "economic" culture will fade while anarchy rises. The fabric of a stable society will be gone. The "Trojan Horse" of the present century will.prove to be mass migration.
Ricardo and John,
Douglas Todd is a canadian journalist at the Vancouver Sun specialised in
migration spirituality, diversity and ethics. In the following article he presents a realist and balance view of the effect of immigration on canadian society:
Ten things most Canadians don’t know about migration
http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2016/02/08/ten-things-most-canadians-dont-know-about-migration/
Louis, Thanks for posting the article. Is cultural diversity or cultural segregation developing?
John,
Immigrants are finding work and so they can afford good housing and the public school system is good. There is no probblem of segregation. They are areas where of concentrations of Penjabis or Chineese but I would not call that segregation but a preference but most of communities are spread everywhere. Last year there was a few complaints from non-chineese resident of Richmond complaining of stores with only chineese signs but nothing serious such as violence or vandalism.
About the particular issue of muslim immigration in Canada. I do not have the statistic but the majorities of immigrant comes from non-muslim countries and on the west coast muslim immigration is even less significant than in Montreal or Toronto. Montreal because of priorities given to french speaking immigrants received much more muslim immigrant from Northern african countries and the french speaking middle est people like christian libaneese etc. There is no special social problems with muslim immigrants although some very bad cases of crime of honour where a Afgan father with his son drowned his wife and his four daughters in a car because they were too much westernized. And we got a couple years ago a terrorist attacked on the parlement by one young muslim man borned here from non-religious parents. And a few hundred young muslims borned in Canada were recruited onlin by ISIS and went to Syria and we have some fundamentalist Imans which continue to preach such radicalized islam in mosk under the protection of the charter of right: freedom of thought, freedom of religion. These were highly publicized problematic cases but do not constitute a wide spread social phenomena, far from it.
Ricardo,
''Totally wrong; in fact there is no precedent in human history in which masses of immigrants will be invited, with many of their males then raping the girls from the host population, and the media, academics hiding this reality, or finding excuses like Cluett.''
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cologne-sex-assaults-muslim-rape-myths-fit-a-neo-nazi-agenda-a6872566.html
''On Friday, the Cologne prosecutor Ulrich Bremer in fact told me that, of the 59 suspects pinpointed so far, just four are from war-torn countries (Syria and Iraq), only 14 are in custody, and nobody has yet been charged. Nearly 600 hours of CCTV reveals very little, and there is no evidence whatsoever that the alleged attacks were planned in advance.
The refugee-as-rapist construct is the kind that has been used to demonise people throughout history. The idea is that you apply frightening characteristics to those you view as political enemies. ''
Louis, I did not down-vote your posting of 3 days ago - but I do not agree with your view of the situation in Canada. Social integration will take very long when a large number of immigrants from a different culture settle in another country. "Social norm confusion" will result. I saw this in Africa - the influx of people from rural (tribal) areas into urban societies led to much social unrest (social norm confusion) - and these people were of the same ethnic mix and had basically the same religion (and also world view to a degree). Small numbers dispersed throughout the country will work. Large numbers concentrated in "enclaves" will not work. I have seen the same problem in Australia (Melbourne and Sydney). I am not saying that you are wrong in your view of things - but rather that the evidence seems to point in the direction of "anarchy" taking place where large numbers of "asylum seekers" congregate. And it matters not whether they are Muslin or not - what matters is that they are from a different culture - or cultures - and that respect for law and order is not there. Assimilation takes time - but that is not an excuse to allow that which has happened in Europe.
John,
Don't forget that Canada is a very rich country. The new immigrants get integrated through work and through work they do like other canadian, buy a house, raise their children , send them to school, put them in sports, and to sunday school for religious education. Integrating tribal people into modern society is much more problematic. Candada did not succeeded much. The new immigrants are selected very carefully , most canadians would not be selected, and no tribal people from other country would be able to go through the selection process.
Regards
Brassard quotes this passage from Independent as if it demonstrates that rapes are not being committed by Muslims and migrants:
"On Friday, the Cologne prosecutor Ulrich Bremer in fact told me that, of the 59 suspects pinpointed so far, just four are from war-torn countries (Syria and Iraq), only 14 are in custody, and nobody has yet been charged."
But this is typical leftist deception writing; we defenders of European self-determination, women's rights, and the right-not-to-be-raped, have been saying all along that the migrants were not coming only from "war torn countries", that they were not true refugees but economic migrants from Africa and Asian generally.
Even the mainstream media has realized this, but not yet academics:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html
I know that most here will still defend mass immigration and eradication of German and European identity, but at least try not to deceive your audience, it will not work with me, as I know too much about how the establishment operates its lies. The rapists come from many places: Pakistan, Albania, Somalia and Tunisia...
The leftist media attempt to lie about the identity of the rapists, that they were not migrants or refugees, but somehow imply that they were German nationals, has been exposed:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/15/mass-media-migrant-rape-cover-up-huffpo-indy-metro-rt-claim-cologne-sex-abusers-not-refugees-german-prosecutor-total-nonsense/
Ricardo,
There is no references to the Cologne' rapist affair in that article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html
And the only fact this article:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/15/mass-media-migrant-rape-cover-up-huffpo-indy-metro-rt-claim-cologne-sex-abusers-not-refugees-german-prosecutor-total-nonsense/
Said is:
''“Majority of suspects are of Algerian, Tunisian or Moroccan descent and none had recently arrived in Germany, police have reportedly said”.''
Of course the suspects are in majority from visible minorities. But what I quoted did not come from allegations of journalists but from the court. I hope that you do not have a court leftist conspiracy theory as well that would invalidate what the german court so far said:
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''On Friday, the Cologne prosecutor Ulrich Bremer in fact told me that, of the 59 suspects pinpointed so far, just four are from war-torn countries (Syria and Iraq), only 14 are in custody, and nobody has yet been charged. Nearly 600 hours of CCTV reveals very little, and there is no evidence whatsoever that the alleged attacks were planned in advance.''
No, the opening paragraph of the article cites the prosecutor stating that it is "total nonsense" what the leftist press has said about his views; he did not say that the rapists were not refugees but simply that they were not all from Syria, since, as we should know by now, the refugees were from other places as well.
Here is the prosecutor cited specifically against leftist (anti- white) wishful thinking: http://news.yahoo.com/cologne-prosecutor-majority-suspects-asylum-seekers-135156726.html