Can you avoid reading these lines, if you see them? And if so: Is the content of these lines unconscious? - Automatic processes can surely be conscious.

Decision making is a process, which includes two modes of thinking, namely, intuition and logical reasoning. There is considerable agreement on the characteristics that distinguishes the two types of cognitive processes, in behavioural economics literature Epstein (REF), Stanovitch and West (2000) labelled as system1 and system2. The operation of system 1 are fast, automatic, effortless, associative and difficult to modify or control, whereas operations of system2 are slower, serial, effortful and deliberately controlled. Dual process theories are proposed in decision making, learning, social psychology, problem solving and cognitive sciences.

kahneman also claims that system 1 is unconscious and automatic and sytem 2 is deliberate,effortful. i think reading can be deliberate as i can decide when to stop raeding. and even if i am learning new language its complete conscious and deliberate not automatic

Markus Hofmann Sir. automatic processes are not affected by working memory load and there is no need of attention. but we cant read while driving and there is need of attention also. i dont think that reading is automatic like heuristics and intuition. i think articulation is automatic as we cant stop ourselve articulating any word when we see it., reading is not automatic. even talking is better than reading

by my senior Devpriya Kumar: depends on how u think of mental processes...if automaticity is binary (which might be possible but it is not my viewpoint) or is it a matter of degree..... if automaticity is a matter of degree would unconscious also be a matter of degree..... this in turn would make conscious /unconscious distinction fuzzy ...... so relationship between automaticity and unconscious processes might be not that direct. Also, we have no means to have knowledge of unconscious.

But we define automaticity and unconscious both in terms of a negation to our awareness (for unconscious) and control (for automaticity). So now u can ask the question "is every process that we are aware of controlled "

so answer is "There are reflexes, and we are aware of the reflexes"...... hence we may be aware of some automated processes at some level..........

Hope that answers the question to some extent

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by my senior Arpit Tiwari now my story

see you can control a process to certain degree of agreeability i.e certain limits, and its usually labelled conscious control. now with unconscious, we have a problem...... unconscious process are something that are beyond reporting, you can't reflect on them unless you do some special probing and lot of assuming............on the other hand, you can report conscious process, at least to better degrees of detail. but automaticity is a different issue. it may or may not form one to one relationship with unconscious property.

mostly its assumed that unconscious processes are fairly automatic and therefore unconscious, beyond reporting back. according to me, faulty assumption. something is beyond report doesn't mean that you attribute automaticity. causality will mess up your assumptions inferences etc. you didn't see source of breeze doesn't necessarily make it automatic. their are very slow and time consuming processes at work - heating, temperature of relative area, coolant bodies, heat absorption coefficient to reflection to radiation coeff. etc. IT IS AUTOMATIC FOR AVERAGE PERSON UNCONCERNED WITH HOW IT WENT ABOUT. but not all average persons are correct. it may be unconscious, beyond conscious control, but its automatic -- stupid assumption to be made actually. there are in fact degrees of controlled-ness......... some you do directly, and some you do indirectly, while some through complexer routes. that's why metaphors are very dangerous and important, a loosely passed metaphor, esp. one which sticks than becoming lost is to be looked out for --- cause definitions need metaphor and define the phenomenon, and hence your viewpoints and later ones/////// and to do this proper metaphoring---- adequate research needs to be done.................

i now its a loose and shitty story....... wrote better one earlier, but being an intuitionist, my thoughts aren't liable to replication and don't even respond that nice. :D

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I would just think about therapy and making automatic thoughts conscious, therefore you can learn to explore parts of unconscious cognitive processes.

thanksJan Kovačič sir

therapy itself is very long and effortful process. if you are bringing unconcious process by effort in conscoius its no more automatic. so still the problem is not answered.

in therapy do we bring the content of the unconscious to our concious experince or the process istelf? i think only content

Yes

I find it helpful to think of cognitive processes as implicit vs. explicit, rather than conscious vs. unconscious.

I think we are perfectly aware of most of our automated processes. Two factors may contribute to the idea that they might be unconscious. The first is we typically don't retain detailed memories of routine behavior, but this does not mean we were unaware at the moment we carried out the routine. The second is that we are probably not aware of the procedural knowledge that produces routine behavior.

In addition, I think most cases of automated behavior are still a combination of automated and deliberate processing. For example, in driving, many actions are automated, in particular those that control the car. But planning your actions on a complicated intersection does require explicit reasoning, even in experienced drivers.

Contrary to a previous answer (Kumar): depending on how broadly you define automatic, cognitive load and other cognitive factors can indeed affect some automatic processes, including subverbal articulation of written words.

People cannot intuit their brain processes. However, there are some processes that have concomitants in autonomic responses, and we become aware of some of those; a few of them we can influence (e.g., breathing rate). So, for example, fear responses are partly automatic (though they are learned, at least mostly), but we are aware of them and we can learn to control the magnitude of those responses and of course our behavioral reactions to the autonomic concomitants of fear. There are other examples, arousal level due to modulation of the Ne/LC system (see work by Aston-Jones, Cohen, & others) has concomitants that we can be aware of, and perhaps use strategies (e.g., changing conditions to focus attention, when we are in a state of Ne expression that induces higher distractability). We are unaware of the Ne expression dynamics in CNS. But we are aware of the strong sympathetic ANS correlates of those dynamics, as well as the cognitive correlates (e.g., inability to focus attention and working memory).

There are other examples but you can start with those. Look up the acronyms if you don't know them

I think the answer depends on how you define automatic process and unconscious process. Tamietto & De Gelder, (2010) have provided some implications. Usually automatic process is independent of attention, sometimes we cannot even resist to process of the information if it is ought to be processed automatically. Yet, unconscious process is highly depends on attention. Several studies have shown that stimuli rendered unconscious cannot be process without attentional allocation toward the stimuli/target.