I have heard the term, but am unsure exactly what it referring to. Possibly loose bodies in the facet joints, or fragments of disc moving about causing problems. It is certainly not a 'syndrome' or a recognised pathological entity as far as I know

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your answer.

‘Back mice’ is one of the many names that the “edema in lumbar fatty tissue forming nodules in the deep subcutaneous layer” have received.

Me and others think that when this entity would be less unknown, the so called “unspecific” low back pain, will be less unspecific.

What do you think 🤔?

Maybe it is the time to look further, why just low back pain has to be located in certain tissues: bones, tendons, ligaments, muscles...🤨 there is plenty of fatty tissue in the body, and all the sensitive nerves are surrounded by it🧐!

Pain by compression can be at any level of the nerve.

Does it make sense to you?

Lumbar fatty tissue in subcutaneous tissues is rarely, if ever a source of back pain. You can find sensitive spots, certainly, especially if you go hunting for them. Some call these trigger points, but think these are muscle issues rather than fat. A systematic review is not really supportive of this approach (see https://www.archives-pmr.org/article/S0003-9993(01)06656-4/fulltext ).

Fat is not sensitive actually, we know that because there have been studies where conscious patients have had surgery under progressive local anaesthesia (see Article The tissue origin of low back pain and sciatica: A report of...

We used to pay a lot of attention to the subcutaneous tissues with massage, but there isn't much support (see Article Massage for Low Back Pain: An Updated Systematic Review With...

Article Massage for low back pain

Low back pain is non-specific before the patient's history is taken and the physical examination. There are clinical reasoning methods that reduce the size of the diagnostic problem. I have posted two videos on YouTube about this. One to help clinicians (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0xM90nr4i0 ), and the other is a tongue-in-cheek lecture for a more general population (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofJqQjMjq9g )

Hope this helps

Hi, the EDEMA WITHIN A CAPSULE in the deep subcutaneous FATTY TISSUE is a source of pain. Many articles supported that. You can check some of them

http://backmice.info/all-the-medical-references-about-backmice/

Now we are recovering all the forgotten articles (soon we will publish the review).

We think the “unspecific lo back pain” is related to THAT EDEMA in many cases.

Fatty tissue is very active metabolically specially BROWN FAT. That could explain edema.

Pd: I will check your link. Thanks 😊

The tension of the encapsulated edema causes cluneal neuropathy.