When the moon moves, it is affected by the force of gravity. It accelerates the moon in a radial direction. Consequently, work is being done. Who spends energy to accelerate the moon? Earth has no excess energy.no excess energy.
Interesting question, Valeriy.
It seems that it is based on Newton's Principle of Inertia: with movements along "a rectilinear trajectory". Solution: replacement of it by another more logical "inertial principle": KEPLERIAN MOVEMENTS (along conics such as ellipses, parabolas, and hyperbolas), the hodographs of which have a constant (in modulus and direction) LINEAR velocity and a constant (in modulus only) CIRCULAR velocity. Moreover, in the KEPLERIAN MOVEMENTS, the ENERGY is constant (in other words, conserved).
Well, congratulations for your research about the NATURE OF GRAVITY!
NASA has done some work on this based on laser reflections from mirrors left by astronauts.
Yes, I see. But you don't answer "WHO TRANSFERS ENERGY TO THE MOON?"
Have you a small magnet? Put it on the table. Hold a metal paper clip to it. Release the clip. It will accelerate to the magnet, i.e. clip energy will increase. Who gave it this energy? You did not push the clip to the magnet. Magnet has no excess energy.
Dear Thirrry,
I thank You for preprint - You are a very kind man!
When two free bodies attract each other (for example, an electron to a positron), then both are accelerated. Both simultaneously increase their energy. Those. their total energy increases. Where does it come from?
It is said that the Earth attracts the Moon. Earth is assigned a congenital property to attract. But attracting something means doing work, wasting energy. Take a look at the picture of the attached file.
If there were no forces acting on the Moon, then it would go tangent to point B in time dt from point A. But outside the force is acted in the direction of the Earth. It creates a centripetal acceleration and moves the moon during the same time dt from point B to point C. The work done by the invisible material carrier in the section BC is the work of the forces of gravity.
The same is for a clip. The pressure of the medium of the electromagnetic field pushes both the Moon and the clip. The field does the work of attraction. For some reason, we have not talked about this. So I wrote my book, "Gravitation"..
Yours
Valeriy Pakulin
The Moon is gaining energy and moving farther from Earth very slowly. It is the 3 body problem in which the Sun helps the Moon get energy from Earth a tiny bit per month. This was the conclusion of work with lasers and mirrors.
It means the Earth moves closer to the Sun, but so slow it makes little difference in climate.
The Moon is not likely to escape from Earth, because the two bodies orbit the sun together. During part of each month the Sun has greater force on the Moon than the Earth does., but this passes as the Moon is moving faster than Earth and gets ahead a bit before the Earth gravity slows it down.
Faster speed means the Moon must move farther from the Sun than the Earth does. Then the Earth with smaller orbit passes the Moon again.
Earth and Moon continually exchange energy, with the Moon returning a bit less energy than it received each month.
Radiant pressure of Sun on Earth and Moon tends to modify the energy exchange and counter act gravity on both Earth and Moon but by not much.
Jerry,
You write: "Earth and Moon continually exchange energy".
How do they do it? What is the mechanism of energy transfer?
VP
Dear Jerry,
Earth and moon revolves in their stationary orbit as electron revolves around nucleus in stationary orbit. There is NO WAY through which any body revolves in stationary orbit can exchange energy. Nature only follows quantum mechanical rule. Moon orbit precessing because earth not only revolves around the sun, ( sun itself revolves around the centre of mass of solar system) but it revolves perfectly about the center of mass of solar system.For better understandingabout our solar system, read my paper " origin of mass and s unified theory for four fundamental forces in nature" available on my time line.
Path of Moon orbit is always concave to the Sun. This is well known but not widely understood. The Moon doesn't go backward at any time to circle the Earth. The speeds of Moon and Earth change through a month cycle. When Moon is ahead of Earth in orbit the waxing Moon is moving farther from the Sun. orbit Earth is speeding up a little as Moon gravity pulls on Earth while Moon is slowing down as Earth gravity pulls on Moon.
Other time of month waning Moon is behind Earth in orbit and the Earth is slowing down as the Moon is speeding up and moving closer to the Sun.
Change of speed is the result of energy exchange.
The orbits around the Sun are large enough that the Moon can weave in and out of Earth orbit without following a convex path away form the Sun at any time. The waning Moon orbit around the Sun becomes more concave, while the waxing Moon orbit around the Sun becomes less concave.
This topic can be found in many books and encyclopedias.
Dear Thierry,
I will speak specifically on the topic. Do you think that the Earth emits energy? But then the energy in the form of flows of gravitons (or waves) dissipates in all directions. But if the energy goes out, it should come from all sides. Otherwise we have a "holy spring." And further. If the flow (or wave) goes to the Moon from the Earth, then it will push the Moon away from the Earth, and not attract. I am wrong?
Dear Jerry,
Your answer is broader than my question. Let's talk only about the essence of the force of gravity. Movement occurs or under the action of pressure or shock. Therefore, repulsive forces are primary in relation to the forces of attraction.
You say: " Change of speed is the result of energy exchange." But the exchange of energy by carriers can only lead to repulsion.
Indeed, let the Earth 1 and the Moon 2 in the figure exchange a graviton-particle (or wave) 3. When a particle with impulse p is emitted, Earth 1 will receive a recoil impulse -p. When a particle with impulse p is absorbed, Moon 2 will acquire an impulse p. As a result of the particle exchange, the Earth and the Moon will disperse. Their attraction is contrary to the law of conservation of impulse.
Do you agree?
Valeriy Pakulin
Dear Valeriy Pakulin
In phenomenological physics we are convinced that the properties and the available energy are part of the phenomena itself. In QFT and in the models that are founded on the discreteness of space itself, it is the underlying field structure (or discrete space) that is responsible for the creation of the observable phenomena and the continuous and synchronized changes of all the phenomena in the universe. In other words, energy is a property of the underlying field structure, or discrete space itself.
Actually, that is what the law of conservation of energy means. We cannot add or subtract energy from the fixed amount that is available everywhere in the universe. There is a continuous redistribution of energy in space and these transformations are non-local too. What simply means that everything in the universe influences everything at exactly the same moment.
In other words, in every point in space we can make a list of the specific energy share out at a certain moment although the dynamical “power” – the force to create change or energy – is identical everywhere.
With kind regards, Sydney
The three body problem is famous and widely studied. The Sun helps the Moon gain energy from the Earth enough to increase the Moon distance by about 3.8 centimeters per year.
Radioactive decay decreases masses of Earth and Moon, but only a small effect compared to three body mechanics. Also friction from tidal force in stone has a small effect.
In answer to the Question, NASA studies this with laser reflectors placed on Moon landing places in Apollo program. In giving energy the Earth moves closer to the Sun by about 0.046 cm per year or about 2000 kilometers in geologic history. Moon is about 40% further from Earth than it was in early solar system.
Total energy does not change in the three body problem.
During several days around the time of New Moon the Sun has a stronger pull on the Moon than Earth has. At that time the Moon is in orbit around the Sun, but moving faster than the Earth, and starting to move farther from the Sun and slow down, because the Earth is beginning to pull it from behind.
Three body techniques have been used to accelerate space vehicles as they pass by large planets. This is well published and should not be such a mystery. When a satellite passes closest to a planet on the opposite side from the Sun, the Sun helps the satellite gain net energy from the planet. No new science is needed. Celestial Mechanics describes it well enough.
Before trying to make a new science, it is recommended to understand the old science.
The answer to question is NASA does the study of Moon co-moving with Earth, and very much is published about it. Three body problem cannot be ignored, because to do so produces a new science that is wrong. Speeds of Earth and Moon change in monthly cycles because of their orbits around the Sun and interactions with each other. Earth slows down when moon is behind Earth in orbit around the Sun, and speeds up when Moon is in front. Not a mystery.
Gerges Francis Tawdrous
Dear Gerges,
Thank you, you are very original.
Yours
Valeriy Pakulin