The second plant in the attached file is from Monte Subasio and was denoted Inula montana. But Inula montana is the first plant photographed by me in the Alps.
Josef Niederle Josef, This link might help. 1/2 way down, look for paragraph that starts, "The third area consists of conifers"
https://www.montesubasio.it/en/subasio-coexistence-man-flora/
Josef Niederle
Both first and second plant seems to be Pentanema montanum (=Inula montana) of the Asteraceae family.
https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77178418-1
https://www.teline.fr/en/photos/asteraceae/pentanema-montanum
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