Hi Guys, I need a procedure for using reverse phase semi-preparative RP-HPLC. Generally how much time will it takes to purify 100 mg of small peptides. How much solvent is necessary to prepare the sample. Please help me.
Before you can answer the question(s) you will first have to develop a method and then run a loading study. That will tell you how much sample can be safely loaded on the column while still being able to purify the portion you want. When you have that information, you will be able to calculate the amount of mobile phase used based on the flow rate and run times.
When you need to learn about something, please spend the time researching the answer on your own. That is part of the learning process. Will you be using low pressure or high pressure LC to perform the purification ? Be clear about what you wish to do. Start with a web keyword search to learn about LC and HPLC for peptide purification. Read up on your exact sample. Determine its purity using an analytical method first so you understand how much purification will be needed. Characterize the sample so you can be sure it is the right peak (UV spectra or other chemical or physical properties). Look for example methods (on the web). Learn what you can and also contact someone local to you (not on the web) for personal assistance.
Before you can answer the question(s) you will first have to develop a method and then run a loading study. That will tell you how much sample can be safely loaded on the column while still being able to purify the portion you want. When you have that information, you will be able to calculate the amount of mobile phase used based on the flow rate and run times.
When you need to learn about something, please spend the time researching the answer on your own. That is part of the learning process. Will you be using low pressure or high pressure LC to perform the purification ? Be clear about what you wish to do. Start with a web keyword search to learn about LC and HPLC for peptide purification. Read up on your exact sample. Determine its purity using an analytical method first so you understand how much purification will be needed. Characterize the sample so you can be sure it is the right peak (UV spectra or other chemical or physical properties). Look for example methods (on the web). Learn what you can and also contact someone local to you (not on the web) for personal assistance.
Thank you for your prompt reply Dr. Bill. I have some basic knowledge about HPLC. I have already purified few samples with HPLC. I have developed a gradient method for purifying my peptide compounds. I dissolved my compound in 0.100 g in 5 ml ACN solvent. I got 3 peaks in HPLC all of equal intensity. For purification, each time I am injecting 0.200 ml/injection. If I go beyond that concentration, flat topped signals were noted. No separate peaks. I can go with 0.2 ml/injection condition. So I need at least 25 injections to purify my compound at 4ml/min eluent rate. Is this normal ? or Am I wasting the solvents? Do I need to optimize flow rate and mobile phase again?
One thing you might do is try dissolving the sample in a "weaker" solvent. Please note the poster link below. One example shows a compound dissolved in DMSO, which limited load capacity (for that polar compound). Dissolving the sample in acetonitrile is worse, since acetonitrile is "stronger" than DMSO. If your peptide is very non-polar, DMSO may be a better choice as it is weaker than acetonitrile. If you have a polar peptide (as mine was), dissolution in water is a better choice. You may need to "pre-purify" to clean material that prevents the peptide from dissolving in a weaker solvent. The pre-purification can also reduce the other impurities. A mixture of water and acetonitrile may work for you too.
You have not provided any detailed information about your actual HPLC method so no constructive comments can be made regarding the quality of the method. Here are some very general comments based on the info provided so far.
"Do I need to optimize flow rate and mobile phase again? "
You always need to optimize the method used to resolve the sample apart. In this case, you need to optimize the method for purification. This is first done on the analytical scale, then scaled up, as needed. Try to find a method which does so quickly (short time), with lots of baseline space between the peaks (excellent resolution) and uses a simple mobile phase. Verify sample loadability and that the sample dissolves 100% (not 99%) in the solution and mobile phase used (Use a weaker solution, not pure ACN!). *This is especially important for gradient analysis. Do not precipitate the sample out during the run.
You implied that your detector is saturated. Is resolution lost? Do not assume that resolution is lost because the signal is off scale. For purification, we typically use a detector with variable or narrow path-length flow cell (reduce the path-length to reduce sensitivity while maintaining selectivity at the same wavelength) to better understand where resolution is lost. Do you have this capability? Is resolution lost?
If you are currently limited to 200 ul injections, can you transfer your method to a larger column (no idea what sized or type column you have now, but scale-up solves this)? That is what scale-up is all about, trying to maximize sample load to purify in as few runs as possible, but maintain purity levels. You may be able to run the scaled up method with just one injection (or just a few, depending on what type of injection system you have). Note: Prep runs often use lots of mobile phase so 25 analytical runs may still use as much mobile phase as one prep run. There is no way to know how much mobile phase will be needed until after you develop and optimize the method of separation.
As you are new to HPLC, please get some local help with your project. These are very fundamental questions and someone local to you who is experienced in liquid chromatography is in a better position to help you with this project than someone via the web.
For sample preparation please do not use ACN as also mentioned above. Even though the ACN may get dilute in the mobile phase after injection, it will lead to less peptide binding and elution of some peptide before the gradient.
For sample preparation, either dissolve the peptide in 5%ACN in H20 with 0.5% TFA or If the peptide samples are in a buffsr than mix 3 parts of the sample with 1 part of sample buffer (20% ACN in H20 with 2% TFA). Finally Filter through 0.22 micron filter.
To avoid flat top peaks, increase the attenuation value of detector in HPLC control software. Also, if the peptide contain the phe tyr trp residue, record spectra at 280 nm instead of lower wavelengths which give high mAu values.
You didn't mention the column dimensions, a 10x250 mm semi prep column can take up to 50 mg protein load. So you need to optimize for maximum resolution and yield.
I hope that your gradient is preceded by a run to achieve baseline post injection.
Like my usual semi-prep run includes
Injection followed by 5 column volume (CV) mobile phase A, then elution with 0-60% mobile phase B in 10 CV.
I must recommend our RP-HPLC method which is able to fraction with the high recovery (please see file; Lysozyme by RP-HPLC). This method is generally applicable to many other peptides and proteins (Hayakawa K, Okada E, Higashikuze H, Kawamoto T. Improved recovery of ovalbumin by reversed-phase high-performance liquid chromatography. J Chromatogr 256: 172-175, 1983). We have employed a 10 μm particle diameter Nucleosil 10C18 (Macherey, Nagel & Co., Düren, Germany). I am now considering that particle diameter of 10 μm may be superior to usual 5 μm silica gel to obtain high recovery, since the gradient elution method is used and usual idea of theoretical plate is not working in the gradient-protein-analytical method.
Further, this 3-phase system (acidic 0.1 M phosphate-buffer (pH 2.0)/2-propanol/ethyleneglycol) has been proven to be generally superior to notorious low-recovery acetonitrile (ACN) system by using ordinary 5 μm Nucleosil 5C18 (my unpublished experience).
Furthermore, it is noteworthy that this gradient elution method starting from 100% of solvent A (0% organic modifier; 0.1 M NaH2PO4, adjusted to pH 2.0 by adding 7 mL of 85% orthophosphoric acid to 1 L of 0.1 M NaH2PO4 solution) has enabled to be loaded protein or peptide upto 7.8 mg using 50 x 4.0 mm I.D. short-column packed with Nucleosil 10C18. Such a short-column can be packed by yourself (column packer and empty column are necessary), but you can order to many column sellers to pack your special short-column. Samples should be dissolved into the solvent A, and column loading is freely variable only changing sample loading-loop or repeated column-loading is possible (my unpublished observation). Then, you should do only 13-times of this gradient-fractionation by using the usual analytical short-column in accordance with your request that "Generally how much time will it takes to purify 100 mg of small peptides".
By the way, this gradient-elution method is successfully applied to separate bovine insulin (Mr 4,524, Hydrophobicity 0.659) and porcine insulin (Mr 4,568, Hydrophobicity 0.635), which have similar-hydrophobicities, by using the 50 x 4.6 mm I.D. column (please see file; Insulin RP-HPLC). It is interesting that RP-HPLC separates molecules mainly by relative molecular mass (Mr) rather than hydrophobicity.
Thank you very much for Dr. Deepan Chakravarthy (Indian Institute of Technology Madras | IIT, Madras, Department of Chemistry, Chennai, Tamilnadu, India) for leading me to this important result.
I will try with DMSO solvent also as suggested by Dr. Jack.
Thank you Dr. Mangal Singh. we have XBridge BEH C18 OBD Prep Column, 130Å, 5 µm, 19 mm X 250 mm, 1/pkg column. Solvent flow rate is 4ml/min. I have done all 25 injections got pure peptide. Three peaks of equal intensity at Rt= 12.5 14.1 and and 20. My compound peak is at 12.5. Like Dr. Bill's suggestion I will do the optimization. If you have any other suggestion also please post that.
Thank you Dr. Kou Hayakawa. I will also test my sample with 3-phase system. Our HPLC model can support 3-phase system. I'll give a try.
Deepan: Thank you for providing some of the basic information. Without this initial info, much time is wasted on speculating. This is unscientific. The sooner we have the most basic information, the sooner we can provide constructive comments. Science is all about sharing information so let us all try and do our best to not hold back information.
*You state that your HPLC column is a C18, 5u column which is 19 mm ID x 250 mm in length. The very first thing we do in chromatography is calculate the void volume of the column so we can use that value to find other critical information needed to understand the method and proceed with method development. Your column has an estimated void volume of 49.62 mls. You state that you are running your analysis at 4.0 ml/min (which is VERY SLOW for this size column and not a linear flow rate. Normal flow rates for this column ID would be 20-25 ml/min). That means at 4 ml/min it will take ~ 12.4 minutes to pass one column volume of liquid through it so your estimated Tzero (K prime = 0) is about 12.4 minutes. You state that your "compound peak" has a retention time of 12.5 minutes (K prime ~ 0). Your "main compound" elutes at the column's void volume (Tzero). That means you have no HPLC method yet for any of your peaks and especially for your main peak (no retention). Your past purity values are incorrect. Based on your Tzero time, the peak that elutes at 14.1 min has a K prime of 0.14 and the peak that elutes at 20 minutes has a K prime of 0.61. *To demonstrate that the HPLC method has specificity for the compounds of interest, the method should show adequate retention. K prime values for each peak should be > 2.0 and your values are close to or at zero. That means you not only have no method of separation at this time, but more importantly, you have no method to determine the purity of ANY of the samples because they are not retained on the column. A crude liquid-liquid extraction is the only partitioning going on at this point (which is encouraging, but now you need to develop a working HPLC method).
To solve this problem you must first develop an analytical method of separation for your sample which follows proper fundamental chromatography guidelines. Use a 4.6 mm ID x 250 mm analytical scale column which is similar to your prep column for this. Once that is done, you can then scale up the method to purify any sample (loading study, collection, purification and finally, re-analysis of the fractions to qualify the purity). **Please take the time to learn the basics of liquid chromatography before proceeding. There are many wonderful books on the topic (classes too). Next, please get some help at your school from someone experienced in HPLC method development so you do not make this mistake again. The solvent and materials used, esp for preparative separations are expensive and this is why it is so important to first develop a high quality analytical method before scaling up. Dissolve your sample in the mobile phase or weaker solution (not pure ACN) and then run a comprehensive gradient to see if you can retain AND separate the peak(s) on the column. Check those K primes and make sure the sample is always 100% in solution.
Please ask someone experienced in HPLC for help at your school before proceeding. You need to learn the basics before you proceed and someone experienced in HPLC method development could guide you in this process, saving valuable time and resources.