Prof Peter Higgs has said that that in his undertanding his theory has no significant implications for gravity. As an experimentalist, I interpret this to mean that the Higgs field in effect creates 'inertial' masses for all particles except photons.

Thanks, John, for your answer. Best wishes

As I understand, the Higgs mechanism is thought to impart rest mass to elementary particles only, mediated by the Higgs boson. However, I have to point out that any proposed mechanism that imparts rest mass to elementary particles that is consistent with the standard theory would necessarily require the existence of a mediating particle - the Higgs boson. IMO, the detection of a Higgs boson particle does not prove that the proposed Higgs mechanism is correct...

While the Higgs boson likely involved in the mediation of elementary particle rest mass, that only represents a tiny fraction of the gravitational mass of atomic matter. See http://cds.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2012/06/News%20Articles/1420890?ln=en

"Interactions with the Higgs field are not just reserved for force-carrying particles. The theory can also explain how all other fundamental particles acquire their rest mass. But don’t make the mistake of thinking the Higgs field is responsible for all mass. Interaction with the field actually contributes less than 1 kg to the mass of an average person 2). Your remaining mass comes from the energy of the various forces holding your bodies together – mainly the strong force binding quarks inside nucleons, with a tiny contribution from the electromagnetic force that reigns over the atomic scale."

As I understand then, the vast majority of the Earth's gravitational mass, for example, is actually considered to be the product of nucleons' confinement of quark kinetic (propagation) energy by the strong force - mediated by gluons.

If I understand correctly, the Higgs mechanism specifies that elementary particles must continuously interact with an ambient Higgs field filling all spacetime to reacquire and maintain their inherent rest mass. This seems to be questionable on several grounds. First, It seems rather unlikely that bound components of compound particles, such as quarks, could somehow directly interact with any field permeating spacetime. Second, it would seem then that Higgs bosons should also permeate all spacetime in order to impart mass to all fundamental particles - yet they only appear when nucleons are disintegrated at exceedingly high energies. Lastly, this mechanism has never explained how or why different fundamental particles acquire different rest masses!

I suggest an alternative, yet similar mechanism, in which particles permanently acquire their characteristic rest masses as they are emitted. As a result, the common constituent component particles of atomic matter, bound quarks and electrons are exceedingly stable - they acquired their inherent rest mass when the were emitted in the early universe - from the then ambient density of the Higgs field. In this case, particle rest mass represents the condensed ancient density of the the Higgs field then filling spacetime!

More recently, most newly emitted particles have little mass - as the ambient density of the Higgs field is now relatively low. In the cases of decay, disintegration, etc. of particles emitted long ago, their massive, locally condensed Higgs field is released, allowing the local emission of (unstable) massive particles.

This conceptual mechanism seems much simpler and better explains how and why various particles have distinct characteristic rest masses.

Back to gravitation, it does not seem to me that the Higgs boson could be directly involved in any gravitational interaction - again, in this case they should be easily found permeating space. Moreover, I must take exception with the referenced Stojkovic paper, which stated "... Since gravity couples anything with mass to anything with mass..." IMO GTR does not describe a 'coupling' between objects of mass that might be mediated by some particle (a proposed graviton - not Higgs boson), but by what I take to be an interaction between the potential energy of condensed mass and a kinetic vacuum energy. Unlike Newtonian gravity, in GTR there is no direct binding between condensed masses. This seems to be a particular issue for those who are motivated to fit gravity within the structure of quantum field theory, which essentially describes exchanges of material forces among particles. If, as I suspect, gravitational interactions involve vacuum energy densities corresponding to spacetime dimensional coordinates, I think that gravity cannot be easily fit within the existing structure of QFT.

As John Wheeler said in "Geons, Black Holes, and Quantum Foam", "Spacetime tells matter how to move; matter tells spacetime how to curve..."

Thank you, James, for your answer. Does it mean that there is only little hope to connect gravitation with Higgs boson? Best wishes

In my opinion, the Higgs boson is only involved in imparting mass to newly emitted particles. Mass is certainly involved in the physical production of gravitational effects, but not the exchange of mass-energy among particles - so no, I do not think the Higgs boson is directly involved in the production of gravitational effects. Best wishes to you, Victor!

BTW, there are > 400 disparate comments posted to the somewhat similar question: https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_could_the_discovery_of_the_Higgs_Boson_contribute_to_our_understanding_of_gravity12.

Let us consider a 5D world. Then suppose there is a gauge boson

which is a 5D SU(2) doublet. This gauge boson is a 5D vector field

meaning that it has five components. Each component is a scalar

field. Now suppose the 5th dimension is compactified.

The world is now 4D, gauge bosons has four components.

Where has the fifth component gone ?

Then the fifth component of 5D vector field becomes a heavy

SU(2) doublet scalar field. Mass of this doublet is linked with

the scale of compactification.

This a typical method applied in extra dimensional models

those attempt to describe gravity + known gauge forces.

Thank you, James and Biswajoy. Best wishes

@Amrit: thank you. Best wishes

If the Higgs quantum fluid space is responsible for the mass and hence for mechanical properties of the elementary particles, it is not only an ultimate reference for rest and for motion, however literally governs the inertial motion of matter. Motions with respect to the local Higgs is responsible for all the effects of motion. The Higgs materializes the local Lorentz frames into local proper references that are intrinsically stationary with respect to the local Higgs. On itself moving, the Higgs carries these Lorentz frames with it. If the velocity field of the Higgs is non-uniform, it gives rise to inertial dynamics on matter non-stationary with respect to it, which, according to Einstein's principle of equivalence is gravitatinal dynamics. Then it is necessary to discover the form of this velocity field of the Higgs that generates the observed centrifugal effects toward the gravitational center and causes accurately all the observed effects of the gravitational fields on light and on clocks. In several publications I show that this velocity field is a Keplerian velocity field (GM/r)^1/2 that in the case of the solar field is consistent with the observed planetrary orbital motions. The planets thus are stationary with respect to the local Higgs, which naturally explains the observed absence of the gravitational slowing of the of the GPS clocks by the solar field as well as the observed isotropy of light with respect to earth, etc.,etc.

Here is an idea to ponder: It is not the Higgs Boson, but the Higgs field that is most closely related to gravity.

First, let's assume that the primary cause of gravity is time dilation with any mass or energy seeking to move to the lowest possible energy state, by moving towards the slowest time. (Nobel prize winner Kip Thorne is a proponent of this idea along with many others.)

Second, and this will be controversial, gravity does not depend on the warping or bending of spacetime. Rather than the bowling ball on a trampoline image of gravity as a bending of spacetime, I prefer to envision gravity more like the low pressure system on a standard weather map. Just like a bed sheet on a clothesline is sucked towards the centre of a low pressure system, slower time sucks everything towards the centre of the gravitational mass because everything wants to move towards lower energy.

It is the total molecular weight of a mass that determines the amount of time dilation. Thus a cubic meter of lead has a higher atomic number, a greater mass, a higher number of subatomic particles and greater amount of gravity than a cubic meter of tin.

It is too much of a coincidence to think that identical time dilation can be caused by both mass and speed. It is probably only caused by one of these, and since we know that massless particles can face time dilation, we must assume that only kinematic time dilation is valid, and not gravitational time dilation (in itself). So time dilation of a mass is caused not by the mass itself, but rather by the accumulation of the kinematic time dilation of subatomic particles, moving at relativistic speeds.

The question becomes, how does the time dilation of a gravitational mass (like a planet) move upwards to a point 1 metre, or 100 metres, or 10,000 metres above the planet. If there is no bending of spacetime, what is the medium by which that time dilation is transferred?

This is where the Higgs Field comes to play. We already know that the Higgs field interacts with subatomic particles. We also know that because the Higgs field can be excited, that it also is subject to time, therefore it is subject to time dilation. What happens is that the time dilation of the subatomic particles on the planet interacts with, and dilates, the nearby Higgs field, which in turn interacts with, and dilates, more distant Higgs field, and so on. Of course this all happens at speed c. This is how the time dilation is transferred to a distance above the planet (on a squared calculation) and this is gravity.

Dear Prof. Christianto,

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=87796

The above paper has developed a String Field Theory with Photon-Phonon FineStructure composites for spacetime in Market Internetworks like Repec Research Library InterNetwork DBranes Systems. This explains the Ricci tensor embedding and Ricci Flow (with Relativity) to bring about time dilation with quartz clocks. Hence can explain gravitation and we have labelled it Higgs-Mallick mechanics.

S.K.Mallick, S.Raychaudhury, S.Mallick and RHMHM School, IAS & IISWBM (CA)

Gravity is an inertial force, in fact a centrifugal force created by an ingenious outside-inside centrifugal mechanism that can be created only by Keplerian velocity field of the Higgs quantum space, governing the inertial motion of matter.

Please see my article in the:

International Journal of Advanced Research in Physical Science (IJARPS) Volume 7, Issue 3, 2020, PP 3-38.

The Abstract is:

The Higgs theory introduces the idea that empty space is filled up by a quantum fluid medium, governed by a complex macroscopic order parameter F = f(r) eiq, responsible for the inertial mass of the particles. This Higgs Quantum Space (HQS) materializes the local Lorentz frames (LFs), turning them into local proper LFs, intrinsically stationary with respect to the local HQS. In these proper LFs, stationary clocks show proper time and the one-way velocity of light is isotropic. The observed absence of the solar gravitational slowing on the GPS clocks, moving with Earth round the Sun and the absence of light anisotropy with respect to the orbiting Earth both demonstrate that the moving Earth is stationary with respect to the local HQS and is a local true proper LF. This can make a sense only if the HQS is moving round the Sun according to the Keplerian velocity field (GM/r)1/2 consistent with the planetary orbital motions. The present work shows that this Keplerian velocity field creates an ingenious outside-inside centrifuge mechanism that gives rise to a central field of centrifugal forces toward the gravitational center. This inverted outside-inside centrifuge mechanism is entailed by the Principle of Equivalence and is the quintessence of the gravitational fields. While Einstein's General Relativity describes the gravitational dynamics in terms of motion of classical particles along geodesic lines in hypothetical curved spacetime, the present work replaces the spacetime curvature of GR by a Keplerian velocity field of the HQS, in which the gravitational dynamics is the result of the propagation of the particle wave mechanisms with respect to the local HQS, moving in this Keplerian velocity field. This HQS dynamics straightforwardly and effectively solves all the troubles with the observed effects of the gravitational fields on particles, on light and on clocks.

Jacob Schaf

Gravity is not a force and cannot be but curvature of spacetime as correctly proposed by Albert Einstein.Thus spacetime is shaped by massive bodies such as the Sun and,as a consequence, light bends when it passes near the Sun.This is how gravity works.

More interesting details are given by top physicist Professor Brian Greene, showing how Newton was wrong in understanding gravity, in this short YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfv2AiVfnWA

Issam Mohanna

According to basic physics, centrifugal forces are inertial forces that are not real forces. They are apparent forces, created by acceleration of a mass in an inertial reference. According to Einstein’s Principle of Equivalence that is corroborated by all the actual observations, the Newtonian gravitational forces are inertial forces and hence apparent and non-real forces.

The big challenge, raised by the Principle of Equivalence, is explaining how the gravitational pull, that is an inertial force, is created by the gravitational fields. Einstein explained it in terms of non Euclidean spacetime geometry, according to which the gravitational pull is an inertial force, created when a body is forced (by a real force) to not follow its geodesic line. However actually, a series of experimental observations, many of them obtained with the atomic clocks in orbit and which I describe in several publications demonstrate that this geometrical interpretation leads to a series of impasses. See for instance “Gravitational Dynamics: The Result of an Ingenious Macroscopic Higgs Quantum Space Dynamics Phenomenon.”: International Journal of Advanced Research in Physical Science (IJARPS) Volume 7, Issue 3, 2020, PP 3-38). In my view, the gravitational pull is in fact an inertial force, however of a very specific nature: It is literally a centrifugal force (fictitious force) that can be created only by a Keplerian velocity field (GM/r)1/2) of the Higgs quantum space, governing the inertial motion of matter-energy. The indicated reference describes in detail how the Keplerian velocity field creates the Ingenious Centrifuge Mechanism that generates the central field of centrifugal forces, pointing toward the gravitational center. It also shows that this velocity field accurately creates all the observed effects of the gravitational fields on matter, on light and on clocks.This Spacedynamics also naturally gives rise to the observed non-Keplerian galactic rotation without the need of dark matter, work to be published.

Jacob Schaf

The structure of spacetime from a dynamical perspective, which examines what happens to mass, momentum, energy, and also force and acceleration as four-vectors, is clearly described in special relativity as correctly formulated by Einstein. Thus along with the three Euclidean spatial dimensions, time itself becomes a dynamical fourth dimension experimentally proved and confirmed by measuring Einstein's time dilation as done in atomic clocks within GPS satellites,which must be corrected 38 microseconds per day to yield correct GPS data, thanks to Albert Einstein.

After formulating his theory of special relativity, Albert Einstein went farther ahead and developed his theory of general relativity , which is a theory of spacetime and gravity both combined in the same metric tensor.