Ouarab Nouredine Considering the term bodies implies an object with mass, then the laws of physics indicate that such bodies curve Spacetime and respond to Spacetime curvature. This is another way of saying that they submit to universal gravity.

This applies to visible matter and also dark matter. We can also say that light waves submit to universal gravity as light is bent due to Spacetime curvature.

Richard

Thank you Richard

This article might help..

Article Quantum Mechanics Gravity, Mechanical Gravity of Newton is Myth

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If the word "bodies" may be replaced by "objects". One may consider that a "photon" is by definition " a quantum of energy or electromagnetic field " that doesn't have a mass (Mphoton = 0). Hence, it is not supposed to submit to universal gravity. However, light which is a bunch of photons (quanta of electromagnetic field) submit to universal gravity, as mentioned above by Richard Lewis ... It is the same for other elementary massless particles such as gluons or gravitons. Gravitons, are presumed to exist. They are defined as elementary particle that mediates the force of gravitational interaction. There is no complete quantum field theory of gravitons due to an outstanding mathematical problem with renormalization in general relativity. In string theory, believed to be a consistent theory of quantum gravity, the graviton is a massless state of a fundamental string (Wikepedia). What do you think of the Higgs particle or the Higgs field, do they depend on gravity ? The Higgs field is not the universal giver of mass to things in the universe and many scientists think that the relationship between gravity and the Higgs is superficial. Much remains to be discovered in the relationship between bodies and gravity and how do they interact with each other.

Lyes Benharrat You mentioned the Higgs field in your reply and it does seem to be very problematic that there is such a discrepancy between the Higgs field and the way General Relativity explains mass.

As I understand it the Higgs field was conceived to correct a problem with quantum field theory in which all the particles were massless.

It is possible to construct a complete physical theory based only on the ideas of General Relativity and in this theory the fundamental particles are the neutron proton and electron and these are looped waves in Spacetime.

Given that this is possible, what can be said about the Higgs field and QFT? Are they wrong? They seem to give very good results. But do they represent the true nature of things?

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One can ask the question differently by looking for unexplained examples in nature, and without going any further into relativistic quantum mechanics where physical quantities are not conserved, the most mature example is however that of clouds,

Why do they float when they contain tons of water? How are its particles and constituents suspended in space, since Gravity is exerted on any body having mass!

This is in the world of real matter, and of course there are examples in the world of dark matter.

Nouredine

“…Are there visible or invisible bodies in nature which, according to the laws of physics, do not submit to universal gravity?….”

- every particle, body, etc., in Matter has completely obligatorily fundamentally both – the inertial and the gravitational masses. Including photons have both masses as well;

- and that above has no any relation to Higgs particle or the Higgs field, or, more correctly, the really Higgs particle and the transcendent Higgs field has no any relation to the problem what is mass [and, besides, in Standard particles Model that “creates” only inertial mass, and has no relation to gravitational mass, in SM there is no fundamental Nature force “Gravity” and so no corresponding this Force mediator “graviton”; since in mainstream physics gravitational objects/events/effects/processes are described by the standard GR, which is based on also transcendent illusory postulate that gravitation is some, really fundamentally impossible, interactions in systems “mass-spacetime-mass”]

Really Gravity is completely for sure “fourth” fundamental Nature force, which is similar in a few traits to the fundamental Nature Electric force, but fundamentally differs from this, and other [Weak and Strong] Forces including in the point above - different particles can have different Forces’ charges, however all/every particles have the Gravity charge – the gravitational mass.

More about what is “Inertia” – and so “inertial mass”, see the Shevchenko-Tokarevsky’s informational physical model

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/354418793_The_Informational_Conception_and_the_Base_of_Physics ; more concretely about what are fundamental Nature forces, first of all Gravity and Electric Force, see the section 2.9 “Mediation of the forces in complex systems” in this link.

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Ouarab Nouredine The question about clouds is a good one and I had never really thought about it so I did a Google search. There is quite a good scientific American article on the subject. The main reason seems to be particle size and like dust the water particles in clouds float in the air. It also mentions the effect of the updraft of air currents countering the downward effect of gravity.

You could also think of the effect of particle size such that in the limit a small water particle is being hit by air molecules and if the size is small the behaviour of the water particles is not unlike a gas.

So I would say that the water particles in clouds do submit to universal gravity. Also dark matter is primarily observed through its gravitational effect so dark matter does submit to universal gravity.

Richard

Ouarab Nouredine

You pointed out very nice subject matter. Why water that it's mass is much greater than Oxygen goes up, and stay for long time as cloud, and why it is coming down??

first of all, this phenomenon is rejecting few thins. The earth does not follow Newtonian gravity nor Einsteinian gravity. Because by any mechanical gravity that science is following, earth should not let any mass goes up in first place.

Article Quantum Mechanics Gravity, Mechanical Gravity of Newton is Myth

Secondly, this action of mass of the water that stay the same all the time is not mechanics to goes up. thus quantum mechanic does not exist.

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the answer would be,

The action is a the angular momentum of the two hydrogen that holding oxygen atom.

It is hard to believe, because my statement is unprecedented statement and hard to understand it.

Dear Ouarab Nouredine ,

Never overcomplicate the situation... Think of the surface of a lake...and place a dry piece of wood on it... What happens to the dry piece of wood will not fall to the bottom of the lake...Although it will feel the effect of the Earth's gravitational field...

The phenomenon is similar to your clothes No need to think of anything extravagant here.

Therefore, it makes no sense to give a deeper explanation....

But you will get a better understanding with help of the next articles and book ... These works together contains a natural explanation of gravity:

Book Quinta Essentia: A Practical Guide to Space-Time Engineering: Part 1

on the one hand

and

Article Gravity a paradym shift in reasoning

Article Tényekkel igazolható a gravitáció valós oka

Onto base of the electromagnetic gravity theory can be demonstrated very easily

That the Earth's gravity field is dynamic! Easily can be demonstrated the existence of gravity waves and the graviton...

I have had the graviton since September 2021... Writing the article is a hard duty for me because of the workplace

That is why was opened the next project:

https://www.researchgate.net/project/A-new-formulation-of-the-possible-nature-of-the-graviton

And there is written down an enouncement:

This space (for example gravity field of Earth) cannot be quantized: it cannot be divided physically into elementary particles in any form!

The Onto base of quantum graviton 'particle' somewhat similar to photon can be demonstrated that the black holes do not exist! The black holes are similar to 'physical things' like subduction zones.....

Regards,

Laszlo

From an effect point of view, gravity is the curvature of space-time. Thus, everything that exists in space and is subject to time is necessarily affected by gravity. Your question leads to another question: Is there anything independent of space-time?

Comparing the order of magnitude of the energies generated by the four forces of nature, starting with the gravitational force, then the electromagnetic force, the weak nuclear force as well as the strong nuclear force, obviously, the gravitational force is the most insignificant among the others. Anyway, have you heard of the theory of weightlessness. A system based on this theory is installed by NASA for microgravity research on the ground, the Zero-G is one of the two drop towers located at the NASA site in Brook Park, Ohio, since 1966. It was originally designed and built during the space race of the 1960s to support research and development of spaceflight components and fluid systems, in a weightless or microgravity environment. The study of the effects of microgravity on physical phenomena such as combustion and fluid physics is to develop and demonstrate new technologies for future space missions, and to also develop and test experimental hardware to be flown on or build future spacecraft.

Certainly, the Newtonian gravity or Einstein's relativity reveal that any body having a mass is subjected to this force and that its space-time around is deformed. However, Einstein's relativity reveals other surprising results such as black holes, then the string theory reveals in its turn the existence of parallel worlds, the existence of matter and antimatter (dark matter). All these things leave the man curious to know what is the continuation.

“…Certainly, the Newtonian gravity or Einstein's relativity reveal that any body having a mass is subjected to this force and that its space-time author is deformed…”

- that isn’t correct, Newton gravity theory is about fundamental Nature force “Gravity”, which acts in the absolute Matter’s spacetime, which – the spacetime, in the Newton definition is absolute, i.e. is composed from “absolute space” and “absolute time”; both of which exist “without regard to anything external”, and without regard to each other, including, of course, in Newton gravity nothing in space and time can be deformed.

What is correct, as that rigorously proven in the SS&VT informational physical model, the link see the SS post on page 1, Matter’s spacetime is the fundamentally absolute, fundamentally infinite, fundamentally flat, and fundamentally “Cartesian”, [5]4D spacetime with metrics (cτ,X,Y,Z,ct), which is fundamentally nothing else than some infinite “empty container”, where Matter is placed and everything in Matter constantly always evolves because of the energy conservation law; fundamentally nothing at that happens with either space or time.

Correspondingly that

“…. However, Einstein's relativity reveals other surprising results such as black holes, then the string theory reveals in its turn the existence of parallel worlds, the existence of matter and antimatter (dark matter)…”

- relates to yeah, quite legitimate, and even standard GR, theories, which really are based on fundamentally illusory postulates, where to fundamentally transcendent for the authors fundamental phenomena/notions “space” and “time” some transcendent, and really completely non-adequate to the objective reality, “properties and effects” for/in the spacetime are prescribed,

- and which [the theories], correspondingly, reveal some too surprising, really fantastic, results such as “black”, and a number of other “holes in the spacetime”, “warped spaces”, etc. [what are “black holes” really see https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355361749_The_informational_physical_model_and_fundamental_problems_in_physics, section “Cosmology”], “parallel worlds”, etc.

So as to

“…All these things leave the man curious to know what is the continuation.…..”

- till the physical community will remain as it is now, the continuation will be as t is now – constant and rather active flooding mainstream physical and pop-physical journals, etc. by next and next fantastic and really interesting only for populace non-scientific, fundamentally by no means physically grounded, and by no means experimentally testable, products of some by no means restricted rationally too developed humans’ creativity .

More about what Gravity is see the SS posts and papers that are linked in the posts.

Cheers

Now the developed version of the Shevchenko-Tokarevsky’s 2007 initial physical model of Gravity and Electric fundamental Nature forces appeared, see preprint: The informational model -Gravity and Electric Forces https://www.researchgate.net/publication/365318464_The_informational_model_-Gravity_and_Electric_Forces

- where the free fall of a test mass in arbitrary, including extreme, Gravity fields obtains with well non-zero probability well rational scientifically description.

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