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Dear Stephen and Readers,

thanks for share the question. If you want to answer this question you would have to assess both the domestic and the foreign policy conditions and situation. What I can see in domestic politics is, that the United States has a permeable land border with Mexico. More and more economic refugees (climate refugees) who use the Mexican route to get into the promised land. There is now a cultural battle between the Reds and the Blues.

We have that in Europe as well. But not with this hardness. The situations are also different. The high social standards in the Central European countries have a high suction effect and we have the EU internal market. Effective border management can only be organized at the EU's external borders.

In the US there is also a pull effect, namely by the labor market, which sucks unqualified, cheap labors. The effect is the same.

Stronger border controls and possibly also border closures can help.

In Germany, qualification and education are a major obstacle. In Germany, it is above all war refugees and economic refugees who apply for asylum.

But the biggest difference is that the Republicans are trying to criminalize the Democrats on this issue and want to show they as people which not support the welfare of U.S. (Vaterlandslose Gesellen). I consider this to be as dangerous and possibly even unconstitutional, if this issue were to be considered. As far as I know, the wall between the US and Mexico goes back to the Democrats.

I can not see that the numbers of illegal immigration under Trump have subsided. But this can be checked.

ML

Vadim S. Gorshkov, we've had this subject before.

The indigenous Indian tribes, they no longer exist, they have been eliminated. The slaves have rebelled and has inferiored and the Spanish speaking population gets large replenishment from Central America, where the climate change particularly rages.

However, similar conditions occur in Europe. In Europe there is migration into the social systems, which practically promotes parallel societies; in the USA it is the unregulated low-wage sector into which unchecked unqualified workers migrate and form parallel societies. In Europe there is the same problem that migrants send home a large part of their income, mostly from the social system.

At a conference in Malta, African leaders rejected more development aid, if they discouraged the country's sons from going to Europe, because so much more money is being sent home.

ML

Dear Vadim S. Gorshkow,

so has Putin also discussed 2 years ago. But since the Parmafrost in Siberia lets down so much that the entire infrastructure sinks in the morass, the discussion has turned.

Most of the refugees are not from Mexico, guess where from?

Unfortunately, the "nonsense" will hit us all. One of us earlier and the other later. The hurricane season is imminent.

Americans could use a much more effective means in such a way that they closing down the labor market to unskilled, cheap jobs. But they do not do that because it would hit fellow Trump' collegues and probably many Americans themselves. If a vocational training program came along, maybe it would even succeed. But now comes the wall. APPLAUSE

ML

Vadim S. Gorshkov

Dear Vadim S. Gordhkov & discutants,

few people, then it does not matter? But, also an argument. But consider, under the Parmafrost are the large natural gas deposits, the pipelines are laid in the Parmafrost-ground, houses, roads, mining facilities, oh weia. Most people in Germany will not care also, what is happend in sibiria. But the topic is very importent there and permanent existent.

ML

Dear discutants,

Could it be, that the increase in life expectancy of men would have a greater effect in Russia than a larger, but unlikely, migration?

ML

Vadim S. Gorshkov

And as every country has made the transition it passes through a period where some get very rich very quickly. America experienced this in the late 19th century and it is referred to in American history as THE GILDED AGE where a few had a lot and many had very little.

China seems to be creeping toward its own eventual democracy, and it is facing the same issue with CORRUPTION and its few billionaires shooting to the top.

Russia it seems is suffering the same fate with its Oligarchs.

My question to you is, do you believe Russia has made a complete transition to democracy or do you feel there is any danger is a temporary or transitional return to some form of autocracy?

(It seems Putin is a bit reluctant to actually leave office)

France, as I'm sure you know, shifted back-and-forth during most of the 19th century between democracy and autocracy before democracy became entrenched there.

How do you see the future political development of Russia?

Vadim S. Gorshkov

You're right, but they also don't do that. but about climate change be allowed to make thoughts, do they? And it sets millions of people in motion, unfortunately. And many of them want to go to Germany or Central Europe, but that is not the problem of Russia. Or do it?

ML

Vadim S. Gorshkov

Nice

Stephen, you may have a very good point. Maybe it is the best we can hope for.

For what it's worth, and diverging somewhat from your question. Compared with the past, we are now proposed a "salad bowl" instead of "melting pot" model. This new idea has been bandied about of late, even here on RG, but is not hopeful. It escapes me why we are "instructed to think" that this is a good thing. IMO, what people refer to as "salad bowl" is better described as "balkanization."

Possibly, the second chart in this link explains why some people feel the need to propose balkanization, but I frankly don't buy it:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/02/from-the-1900s-to-today-a-snapshot-of-immigration-to-the-us/

Notice where the bulk of the migrants originated, in the past four eras of immigration. In the first three, it was one part or another of Europe. Now, it's Asia and Latin America. Are we being "trained to believe" that for this reason, we have to celebrate balkanization? Previously, those from Northern, Southern, and Eastern Europe could melt into a US culture, distinct from their home cultures, learn the language and traditions. And yet now we have to celebrate retaining separate cultures? Says who? Why is this detrimental approach being pushed so hard? Cluelessness? An overabundance of politically correct mea culpa about everything? A display of feigned "virtue," through self-flagellation? What?

Something about US culture must be appealing, or no one would want to immigrate. And saying it's just money is too facile. Even the ability to make a better living is, obviously, a result of the culture, and not in spite of it. The only hope is that the "balkanization" aspect is a mere transient effect, which will disappear after a couple of generations. Whatever the case may be, I'm not comfortable with the constant drumbeat of celebrating balkanization.

Dear immigration community,

I recommend here carefully the article Immigration and Migration -- A Historical Perspective - By John Lukacs

http://www.aicfoundation.com/books/Immigration-and-Migration_John-Lukacs.pdf

to read. Barry Brassard has inserted this into an other thread.

A distinction should indeed be made between migration and immigration. There are immigration laws in many large sized countries, especially Australia and Canada. However, in the densely populated areas of Central Europe it is necessary to distinguish between migrants and immigration. In some large area countries, immigration seems necessary for the development of society. In the densely populated countries of Europe, the advantage of immigration can not be always demonstrated. This cannot be justified by demographic trends alone. The level of education and qualification is usually so high that the skills of immigrants are not sufficient to participate adequately in social development.

Especially in the eastern countries there is an increased migration of Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians etc.

The question is strongly connected with the problem discussed by Lukacz, whether everyone has the right to settle anywhere in the world and to claim the property and social systems formed there? Even without the excellent reasoning of Lukacz, this is Phantasia and thatwhy inacceptable.

ML

Vadim, you ask this:

Why in modern world the tendency to segregation prevailed over the tendency of assimilation (not only in the USA, but also in other countries, for example in Russia), this is precisely the main question. Is this a new colonization maybe? Not by force of arms or technology, but by numbers?

That's exactly my question. I only disagree, to the extent that yes, in the US, we are definitely being trained to "celebrate" this change. And yet, to me, this is entirely wrong. It is just like you say. Call it "colonization," or call it "invasion," I have nothing much good to say about balkanization of a country.

Of course, any large immigrant group will bring new aspects to a culture, including food, music, art forms, what have you. It's always been so. That has never prevented assimilation.

By the way, any number of groups have assimilated in the US, not just Irish and Italians. Also Polish, Czechs, Russians, Vietnamese, Koreans, and many more. I see no reason why we have to forget that this can work just fine.

Just just watched the video in Russian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEQ3rWtYQSM

Лондон, салам! London, salam!

Here are the first comments from this video:

Эдуард Зорин:

Это бумеранг от северной Африки!это пока ещё только цветочки!

Грегори Стеблевский:

Я был в Лондоне в 2012, выезжал туда всего на 2 дня на консультации-ездил консультировать одного нашего бывшего соотечественника осевшего в Британии по вопросу его неврологического заболевания..Так вот, чего больше всего поразило-количество арабов и индусов на улицах Лондона..Чтоб было более понятно-их было примерно вдвое больше, чем кавказцев и азиатов в Москве..Уже тогда я про себя подумал:"по ходу Британии-конец" Было это в 2012..А уж что там сейчас творится,я даже не знаю..

Алексей Леонов:

не надо было трогать страны ближнего востока

Денис Иванов:

У нас есть такая поговорка - за что боролись, на то и напоролись.

Ирина Белова:

Вот и чудненько!! Нашим беглецам от " кровавого режЫма" там оооочень понравится...

Zm BoB:

Это называется ЕВРОПА

Алексей Слюсар:

Не ври! Европа это всего лишь географическое понятие, а то, что происходит в западной Европе, это просто дегенерация.

TheLaser373:

Часть этой дегенерации именно ислам в Европу и принес!

Роза Багичева:

Только не надо сравнивать. К нам едут из бывших Советских республик, они всё-таки ближе к нам, а в Европу едут с абсолютно чуждым их образу жизни, менталитетом.

Никита Семёнов:

Британцы сами виноваты. Они колонизировали Африку в 18 веке, сделали из африканцев рабов. А теперь африканцы колонизируют Британию.

Жас Жжж:

К исламинизации Англии как ни странно виновата её внешняя политика на востоке, именно с разрешения на тот момент премьер министра Тони Блэра, было размбомблено не только одно государство Ирак, но др. восточные государства Сирия, Ливия и др. Люди которые остались в живых уехали на запад искать лучшей жизни, беженцы восточных стран принесли с собой и религиозную веру. Можно сказать это бумеранг, который к вернулся в наказание, они с этим теперь должны жить. От этого страдают и те союзники кто участвовал и поддерживал политику запада на востоке, Франция, Германия и др скандинавские страны!!

Вася Крымский

Эти люди не хотят сделать "Лондон" в своих странах, а зачем? Проще приехать на готовое, и качать свои права в чужом монастыре, и в случае чего, обещают проблемы "чужому монастырю". Но скоро терпение бритишей лопнет и начнется великая депортация, без всякой толерантности, по простому простой народ начнет пи...ть. этих "понаехавших", на каждом углу, и они сами разберутся в разные стороны!!! Я ТАК ДУМАЮ!!!

Dear all,

the emergence of the Russian Empire and the USA differ fundamentally. The inner vastness, the partial, temporary inner disruption, the access to the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea are only some of the driving forces. Vadim S. Gorshkov is of course right.

ML