Dear all

Recently I always heard news about Illegal immigrants risk their lives to EU and lost their lives. Most the illegal immigrants are from countries which are ravaged by war. So I think restore peace of the states is important.

Dear Helena,

The solution to the problem requires addressing not the symptom, which is the influx of people across borders, seas and any available routs to Europe and other stabilized societies and accommodating them humanely, but finding solutions to the root causes of the exodus, senseless wars, corruption, the absence of rule of law and responsible governments in places where these people are coming from. It has to be understood that a problem from somewhere will eventually be a problem every where, besides doing things rightly from human perspective for the sake of humanity.  

The way you pose  the question makes you deserve appreciation, it indicates how a good person at heart you are when you said : " for reception of immigrants to Europe" not how to block immigrants or how to built fences.  .

A dialogue is needed on all levels. There is also a need of independent cultural houses and bars for discussion and organizing events for understanding and help where it is possible. But this become out of date, everyone turns to his own niche of protection. 

War is not everywhere, the places where is still peace must open the window to multicultural events and most of all the place of women in society has to change. If woman will become more conscious of themselves and free to behave, they can have a positive influence on the political character in their country.

The camps must turn into total integration by adoption at one side and moving from the West to the East with special programs at the other side.

We can't wait for political solution as they take to quickly the weapons, organizing events in many places is the best we can do.

Close the computer and go to the field to undertake action.

The root cause is the so-called “color revolution" , another term is "Arab Spring" for Arabic countries, if you are not familiar with these terms, please google. People should know that, for most of them, survival and safety is more important than many other things, which are void and meaningless at least for the time being. You can not establish the so-called human rights and democracy on the basis of death, starvation, insecurity, homelessness. Only when people can feed themselves, get education, feel free and safe to voice their own opinions, cast their votes without being intimidated, can true democracy be fulfilled, and human rights be realized. 

The European Union must open legal vias to the inmigration of refugees of war and put more controls to the inmigration for economic motives.

Dear @Helena, your country is at the south west of the European continent, so You did not have a chance yet to see this exodus. My country is on most of their routes to EU. They enter from Greece over Macedonia, Bulgaria..., and they get all possible help here. After few days, they are going to the border of Hungary!!! 13 meter high fence on the border! 

My country is not the member of EU, but we get the immigrants from EU countries (Greece, Bulgaria) and EU prevent immigrants to enter EU (Hungary)! This is very serious situation as winter is so close.

Short term care should be due to their survival during coming winter.

Long term solution is, as @Dejenie has stated, to solve the basic problems in their countries of origin and their integration in society without borders (is it EU)! It is a long term process. Here we do have large-scale migration of peoples!

http://news.yahoo.com/hungary-says-anti-migrant-barrier-along-serb-border-181043005.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2015/jul/22/immigrants-flood-into-serbia-in-pictures

http://news.yahoo.com/long-lines-migrants-enter-serbia-en-route-europe-101604058.html

https://euobserver.com/migration/130014

Dear Helena,  

Does a human being has the right to be free? This is the key question that arises from the thousands of human bodies searching for a better life and hope.

The answer to this question does not reveal only the tragedy of the human being searching for freedom but also represents a completely corrupted system that uses the human being as a property. In fact we leave - and we support a Slavery SYSTEM and this is the MAJOR problem in our economic/social model of life.

“Slavery is a legal or economic system in which principles of property law can apply to humans so that people can be treated as property”. So, the key question we must address is what to do. The answer will be a natural opposition to the oppression and to slavery system.

We need also to answer what is more corrupted: Europe or Africa, Asia or America, South or North ? I think all are corrupted but the level of corruption is differentially expressed in every day's life. What is the basis of corruption? Is the money, the capitalism, the socialism, or just the immoral development of a society?

From a scientific point of view, we need to reestablish the role of “Organisation des Nations unies” (ONU) and, we need to invent a new model of economic and social development where the human being is on birth free and has the right of food, of a house, of health, of education and of an identity card (ID). These fundamental elements will be sufficient to provide to every human being on birth everywhere on the earth with the right to be consider as FREE human and to be able to develop with prosperity and hope. This will reestablish the equilibrium on earth because the fear of every day’s life will start to disappear.

The highly respected German chancellor Angela Merkel has set a good example of kindness & sympathy in reception of refugees. These efugees are human beings in real need for help & they ought not to be looked at as a heavy burden. Once the problems at home are over, the refugees will not generally keep on staying. When there was a civil war in Lebanon in 1975-1990, many Lebanese moved to Europe & other Middle East countries and when the war ended, most of them returned to Lebanon.

Europe’s history has been shaped by migration. For centuries, merchants, craftsmen and intellectuals crossed the continent to practice their trades or start new lives. Millions emigrated from Europe, first to the colonies and later to the Americas and the Antipodes. Europe also has a long history of forced migration: from the expulsion of the Jews from Spain to the population shifts in southeast Europe caused by the many wars between the Russian, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires.

One just needs to look at the newspaper headings to see that the problem of migrants is growing daily in Europe and that its gravity is greater than before. The number of migrants this year has already exceeded 100,000 (about 15% higher than the last, record, year);  the number of the dead has reached at least several thousand although the statistics are murky since no one has a real incentive to compile them.

http://www.socialeurope.eu/2015/06/five-reasons-why-migration-into-europe-is-a-problem-with-no-solution/

http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/archivestory.php/aid/337/Immigration_in_the_European_Union:_problem_or_solution_.html

.....Human sensitivity. Country quotas .....Huge programme of acculturation and capitalisation of professionbal skills  as well as societal integration and guidance.

Kind, Professor Pestana.

I would propose that, first, ALL the EU would help the countries that are "invaded" every day by immigrants, like Italy or Greece. It's easy to tell us what we are doing wrong and what to do more... But then? Why all these poor people have to stay stuck here or be pushed back to their miserable countries from which they're escaping?

Double kind , Professor Pestana.

Europe should try to stop destroying other countries, if it can, which I am not sure. This would help the most. Libya allegedly had the best education and health care system in Africa. In Iraq, the level of illiteracy was close to zero, and some fifty percent of the university students were female. And so forth. Look what we have done to these poor people. As an European, I am ashamed. It is not that Europe used to behave better a century or two ago, but it behaves rather miserably in this century, too. It causes harm to others and to itself.

 Dear Ivo: I appreciate your answer, but it would be interesting to have immediate solutions to emergencies. In fact, for example, establish fair trade agreements to support the people from their homes, with verifiable objectives and imposition of mandates of executive power for up to four years.

Dear Dejenie: the absence of rule of law and the need to responsabilize governments it seems a good solution but needs  to be implemented by a globally accepted entity in order to preserve the essence of humanity.

Dear Markovic : thank you for the interesting  file attached.

Dear Vassilis: the slavery and  immoral developemnt of society impose a new world organization and to be effective it must be renewed in a short time. We have to fight the fear of everydays life all over the world.

Dear Nizar: Angela Merkel only agree to receive the Syrians refugies . It is a good step but not enough.

Dear Subhash: the files that you attached seems a good account of the history of emigration, but lacks solutions.

Dear Luiz: The flight from hunger, war and slavery requires the immediate country quotas. As the pope Francisco advocates, humanity needs to act against evil that will prevail in emigration areas of origin.

Dear Mario: Education is the main long-term tool to combat all kinds of oppression, but in the short term we should have the necessary compassion to welcome migrants, as well as effective measures of participative democracy and not just representative democracy  of affected populations.

Thank you all,

Helena

Dear Helena, I agree with you, as well as with most of what other participant in this discussion said. We all have compassion, an the present problem must be solved now. All what I wanted to say (and I have been saying this for fifteen years) is, that it is wrong to destroy secular governments, because this then gives power to all sorts of radical forces, and make the situation worse, for local population, and for the West. In my humble opinion, the present situation confirms what I have been saying. What should be done now? I do not have an easy solution. It seems that there is no easy solution.

It is known that the 79% of the human traffic has to see with the sexual explotation.

http://www.forumlibertas.com/frontend/forumlibertas/noticia.php?id_noticia=34534&id_seccion=8&PHPSESSID=cd87d200a56f41897f0b70286b0d7340

 The Pope Francis prays for the persecuted Christians, inmigrants, refugees... and the Church too.

http://www.forumlibertas.com/frontend/forumlibertas/noticia.php?id_noticia=34519&id_seccion=10

Dear Mario and Mariano, 

Thank you very much for your new and wise comments, that i truly agree.

Helena

European Union approves 2.4 billion euros funding for migration crisis!

EU plans extra billion euros to pay African countries to take back migrants!

Money would be used to encourage home states to repatriate citizens who fail to gain asylum when they arrive in Europe...

Not money but good will and humanity may help, honest politics may bring the solution, not building the walls, stopping the trains....

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/08/10/uk-europe-migrants-funding-idUKKCN0QF16620150810

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11833285/EU-plans-extra-billion-euros-to-pay-African-countries-to-take-back-migrants.html

When the gap between rich and poor is accentuated by one way without return, we have humanitarian crisis. Then the poor, under threat of death, migrate to the rich countries.

Dear Helena, I see that you ask point solutions. But it is not a specific problem, this is a problem cultivated for long time.

And the rich will not leave their wealth and confort.

You said: Merkel receives immigrants, yes, OK, but neo-Nazis set fire to shelters.

The solution not is punctual. In Colombia we say "Pañitos de agua tibia" when somebody want punctual solutions for problems born long, long time ago...

Thank you , Jose Jorge.

1. Collaboration between EU and Arab governments including the Turks to prevent Syrians from the suicidal journey of sailing through the see. This is I believe a very important measure to save their lives. 

2. When these measures are taken, Arab countries, like Jordan has already done, should receive Syrian refugees. The reception of refugees at Arab countries is a priority because it is geographically close and quite easy if there is governmental policy about that. So again coordination between EU and Arab governments bordering Syria to provide 'immediate help' to them. This will definitely decrease the numbers of those who think the sea is their only gate to safety! 

3. Some Arab countries may have limited resources to receive large number of refugees. But others like in the Gulf are rich. The world, the UN should push them to receive Syrian refugees. EU can support both the rich and the 'poor' countries in the Middle East to receive these refugees financially and with other resources. 

4. EU embassies in the middle east may kick off new strategies for asylum seekers so that they can apply at the embassy and the need for them to flee war through the dangerous sea might be unnecessary then. Sweden is discussing this. Maybe other EU countries can do the same. 

5. Finally, the world has a responsibility to end this war in Syria. There is always a way to end conflicts. We hear about Russian+Iranian deal but more diplomatic effort must be done to end the conflict so that people who are still there feel safe. 

Osama's answer is reasonable, but I am not sure "the world" has ever been particularly reasonable.

"... the world has a responsibility to end this war in Syria. There is always a way to end conflicts."

There probably is, but I am not sure there is a sufficient will or interest. At the beginning, "we" ("The Friends of Syria") were making the situation on the ground worse. Why, I do not know. For some "strategic reasons", perhaps, but I do not think our strategy (with Libya and Syria especially) was particularly wise.

"... more diplomatic effort must be done to end the conflict so that people who are still there feel safe"

People will not feel safe there for a long time: wars last longer than battles. But the situation must and can be made at least less bad, in the way Osama suggests.

Dear Helena:

From my distant position in the Southern Cone of the Americas I would not risk proposing short-term technical solutions. I think these urgent remedies should not be so hard to find. Several of the already proposed solutions are appropriate: setting quotas by country, dismantling human traffickers' organizations, preventing accidents in the Mediterranean and the like. 

However, there is something that I think I see with some clarity. The main problem does not seem to be to find technical solutions. The obstacle is that European leaders still do not solve the political problem of distributing the costs of these solutions among their countries. Some countries are under pressure from immigrants to a much greater extent than others. The leaders of the least affected countries know they also will have to contribute, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are allowing the pressure to rise in order to negotiate more favorable terms.

So I think the most pressing issue is linked to domestic politics in the EU, which is aggravated due to the already very complicated situation created by the economic crisis. 

Dear all, 

Some EU countries has demographic deficit  which has led to the depopulation of rural areas, which could be repopulated with part of the immigrants.

You are right : Merkel receives immigrants  but neo-Nazis set fire to shelters.

The escape hunger, the escape from slavery and hopelessness that leads migrants to flee their countries of origin despite being an old problem, should have an immediate response to put an end to this iniquity.

I also agree with Vladimir: If the European Union is willing to sacrifice the principle of freedom of movement because of its security, maybe the best answer is Benjamin Franklin's thought: He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.

I also agree with the rapprochement between EU and Arab governments , but also with other countries in Africa .

The rich countries are not located only in the US. Other countries like Kuwait, Dubai, United Arab Emirates, USA, Japan, etc, should help solve this humanitarian crisis. After all we are talking about people.

I thank you all for your wise comments

Helena

Dear Helena,

What I find relevant in the issue can practically all be found in this article below. Nevertheless, let me cite three parts of it that I find best hitting the nail in the head.

...and greetings from Szeged, Hungary, which is migrants' first stop within the EU after the route through the Balkans (which passes through Greece before, though).

So, the quotes:

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"There are three sources of this erosion [of the refugee status]. Firstly, the immigration debates in European societies are framed exclusively in terms of economics and security. Strong aversion to immigration is substantiated through dubious economic consequences (burden for strained welfare systems, pressure for lower wages, absence of tax revenues), negative social consequences (marginalization, exclusion, criminality, erosion of national identity) and of course through security risks. Secondly, the erosion is caused by the criminalization of migration paths. This means that a growing number of refugees are forced to rely on the services of traffickers whose activities have quickly become one of the fastest growing aspects of transnational crime.

Finally, the erosion of refugee status is exacerbated by the limits of refugee law, which include a narrow definition of asylum entitlement and the absence of legal right to asylum in international law. International refugee law is based on the 1951 Refugee Convention and an amending Protocol from 1967. When it emerged, there were around one million refugees in the world, mostly escaping totalitarian regimes in Europe. A refugee status was linked to political persecution by a totalitarian or dictatorial state, usually resulting from ideological dissent or inappropriate class origin. A typical refugee was an intellectual entering western countries alone with a moral credit of resistance to discredited state power."

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"Furthermore, the EU makes it impossible for refugees to arrive at its borders. This has to do on the one hand with strict conditions of ‘legal’ or ‘regular’ access to the EU. In order to get to the EU legally from outside of the Schengen Zone, a person needs a visa which, for obvious reasons (fees, invitations, return ticket, medical insurance, affidavit of support etc.), refugees have no chance of obtaining. No European law creates a mechanism for the legal arrival of a refugee. The Dublin system rules are applicable only after a refugee arrives at the border, in territorial waters or in transitional zones."

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"When appeals to solidarity and beneficence fall on deaf ears, European countries and their citizens might want to remind themselves that the EU is an organization of states which are both collectively and individually bound by international law. As a community of democratic human rights respecting states it has a duty to contribute to human rights improvements and it has a special responsibility to protect populations from gross human rights violations where their governments prove powerless or unwilling."

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And the article:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/petra-gumplova/refugee-crisis-facing-fortress-europe

Best wishes,

Anita

https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/petra-gumplova/refugee-crisis-facing-fortress-europe

Dear Anita, 

Thank you for your wise comments and for the file you attached

Helena

The argument Helena makes is flawed to its very core, as that of most respondents here, for the simple reason that none of them considers how mass immigration combined with multiculturalism is destroying European civilization. Once you start from the premise that mass immigration is extremely harmful to the host European nations, then you will find solutions, such as building walls, going right to the exit points of migratory countries to stop the contraband movement of people, send back all the illegals, and don't rescue ships off the seas. 

Helena's claim that "some EU countries has demographic deficit  which has led to the depopulation of rural areas, which could be repopulated with part of the immigrants"  is typical among leftist and corporate heads. In other words, humans everywhere are the same, just cogs that can be made to work in any big corporation or government bureaucracy, we can replace Norwegians with Congoid peoples, it is all the same. This is absurd and shows a complete lack of understanding of what makes European culture unique. 

Neo-Nazis don't set shelters on fire; Germans do. Why should they allow Germany to be abolished, Africanized, or Islamicized? 

Helena then plays up the guilt trip: "They escape hunger, the escape from slavery and hopelessness that leads migrants to flee their countries of origin despite being an old problem, should have an immediate response to put an end to this iniquity."

Why should whites be responsible for all the ills that afflict African and Muslim countries? They should solve their own problems. There are billions in Africa and the poorest countries are the ones with the fastest population growth; should half of them be allowed in Europe? It would mean bringing African problems into Europe and destroying the greatest civilization. Why does not Helena, to show her commitment, adopt five Africans and raise them herself? 

Hi Ricardo, 

For me human beings deserve all our respect and help in spite of their race, religion, political party, culture, beauty, etc ... 

In the north of my country, Portugal they help in the integration of some immigrant families, which I find to praise.

Have a nice day...and we all  should open  our heart to humanity like Pope Francis.

Helena

EU interior and justice ministers are to meet in a fortnight in an effort to find concrete measures to cope with the escalating migration crisis.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/30/migration-crisis-germany-france-britain-demand-urgent-meeting

Helena's response reminds of Shakespeare's expression: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Unfortunately Helena's emotional take on this subject is common in academia.

If the Pope is sincere about his humanism, why does he not open the Vatican to the migrants, have then settled there, feed them and find jobs for them? The Vatican is extremely wealthy. Think about this, why will he not do this, and you may start understanding why the humanism Helena endorses is either empty posturing  or delusional.

Why are Europeans the ones who are somehow elevated as the moral paragons of humanity in need of taking care of Muslims and Africans? Here is a Simple Solution to Arab Migrant Crisis: Cancel 2022 World Cup in Qatar, Repurpose the $260 Billion for Migrant Shelter!

Dear Helena,

Vuelta de Paseo (retour de promenade) this should be the title of your question and the title of the Humanitarian tragedy in Mediterranean.

The humanitarian tragedy with thousands of human bodies covering the Mediterranean is just the tip of an iceberg; which is named Globalization. The well-defined economical impasse that affects Europe, America and many rich countries, reflecting a need of control of the majority of human wealth - inclusive wealth - by virtual money reproduced through markets, bonds and speculations, and which is under control of few destroys the “identification” – topological, historical and social of the well-known countries-Nations.

This results to an initial “Federalization” of a cluster of countries like Europe and then to re-identification.  This job is facing a difficult dilemma; how to rewrite the history and the civilization? I think this is what is trying to happen today.

But civilization is wonderfully instituted in human’s brain and I could mention many examples but one comes to my mind because of the terrible image of the young Syrian boy with the red T-shirt on the beach.  Vuelta de Paseo….

Asesinado por el cielo.

Entre las formas que van hacia la sierpe

y las formas que buscan el cristal,

dejaré crecer mis cabellos,  ,,, Federico García Lorca; Poeta en Nueva York

It was august 19 when Federico García Lorca was executed by right-wing forces. Many will be familiar with similar stories.  Today there is another story and tomorrow another one.  Science needs to make a break to this tragedy.

I think Ricardo is right in: If the Pope is sincere about his humanism, why does he not open the Vatican to the migrants, have then settled there, feed them and find jobs for them? The Vatican is extremely wealthy.

I think Vassilius is right: Science needs to make a break to this tragedy.

Have a nice day

Helena

What Europe should do? Dialog, dialog and dialog. Please not the same blablabla of Integration!

There is time to be aware of the fact that:

·         The right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as “inalienable human right” and therefore cannot be criminalized, and especially one-sided like it is now.

·         It is rather our way of dealing with the migration that should change, not the migration

·         Europe and the whole word should take a step back from “migration choisie”. @History of passport

·         There a need to democratize the approaches, to find alternative and innovative approach to the migration issue

·         The EU strategy of “keeping crisis at distance” is not any more appropriate in the “liquid modernity”!

·         And the world does not have an excuse for what is happening. We have at our disposal all the means to deals better with this migration issue, but usually for the reasons of convenience and laziness we prefer to ease the symptoms. The example of the “highly respected German Chancelor Angela Merkel”, that is to be appreciated, is just the lesser of evils.

·         All host countries should dialog - NOT with the refugees/migrants - but with the new coming, just like we do when one is born. The time for “integration” which means we accept you as foreign/stranger is over.

·         Dialog between equals at social level

·         Dialog between equals at political level. It is not anymore, Europe strategy and the neighbor undergo or “refugees and migrants bringing Europe at its limits

·         Dialog between equals by the search for solutions

·         Dialog!

An Unending Refugee Tragedy: Europe's Path to Deadly Partition

Germany and its European Union partners want to prevent further refugee dramas in the Mediterranean Sea. But a look back at the policies adopted after the 2013 tragedy in Lampedusa shows they have made a terrible situation even deadlier.

By SPIEGEL Staff

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/eu-policies-worsen-an-already-deadly-situation-for-immigrants-a-1030550.html

Ablam knows well how to push the buttons of the host European nations, or I should say, European academics, to get them to acquiesce to African/Muslim invasion.

He makes reference to "the right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as inalienable human right" as a way of arguing that migrants cannot be criminalized and should be accepted into Europe.

Well, maybe Africans should start by taking the right to life and liberty of their own people seriously instead of asking Europeans to take care of them. I thought Africans gained national independence so they could follow their own path, but it looks like they can't live without Europeans taking care of them. 

This is not a humanitarian crisis; it is an invasion in which the invaders are overwhelmingly men, and not the poorest but the ones with the means to pay the hefty fees charged by the criminal smugglers. They have started adding women and children into the migratory movements so as to exploit the moral sensitivity of whites, who have lost their ability to understand that they are being invaded. Once Africans and Muslims get into Europe; it is a very costly affair as they are generally dependent on welfare, and on top of that we are seeing in the last decades a wave of gang rapes across Europe by Africans and Muslims. Just Google "rapes in Sweden" or "rapes in Norway," or "rapes in England": 

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5386/british-girls-raped-oxford

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a56EqUPwyFQ

Dear Ricardo and Helena,

Europe is a Greek word and invention means open minded (" from eurys "wide"+  ops(opi) "face," literally "eye") also recorded in the Homeric hymn to Apollo (522 BCE or earlier); “Telphusa, here I am minded to make a glorious temple, an oracle for men, and hither they will always bring perfect hecatombs, both those who live in rich Peloponnesus and those of Europe and all the wave-washed isles, coming to seek oracles." No frontiers and no limits, all can reach to the glorious temple at Telphusa. 

To reinstitute humanitarian equilibrium, Globalization needs to be redefined.

Vassilis

 Doucas's claim that the ancient meaning of the word "Europe" warrants the acceptance of hordes of Africans and Muslims into Europe is preposterous. For starters,  he is wrong about the ancient meaning of 'Europa'. The Greek etymology of this word (εὐρυ- "wide" or "broad" and ὤψ "eye(s)" or "face"), has nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with opening the borders of European nations to African and Muslim colonizers. 

Second, Doucas's should study his own history, the ancient Greek city-states had very restrictive immigration rules; the cities were only for those free citizens born in the city.

The influx of immigrants to europe is only the consequences of the political instability in the north African countries and the Middle East, those who are not politically blind would know the cause, as I have mentioned in other places in RG. Some ideas are bad, dangerous if not applied in the right time and the right place for the right people, they only bring death and starvation. You toppled your own government, thinking that the oustering or the demise of a dictator would bring peace and propersity to your country, but the result turned out to be just the opposite of what you have wished it to be. One dictator is down, but many dictators of various sorts arise, how long can people be sensible enough to realize the importance of a powerful government, although it is not so "democratic", so "corruption-free", but nontheless can guarentee the relative stability of society? I think many people have learned their lessons, if given the chance, they would rather that those so-called "revolutions" had not taken place. You listened to the call of certain countries, you took actions, and now it is you who are paying the price of death and starvation, while those instigators just keep on-looking. So the question is, who are the evil ones? 

Dear Ricardo,

I appreciate your comments even though I don’t agree. The borders have nothing to do with “Europe” nor with the Greek etymology of the word. Borders are an illusion in our society. Open minded people as the Greeks established the basis of western civilization.  Our modern society as you and me, the immigrants, the rich, the poor all are facing similar problems in their short life.  

There are important ideas and laws that one can borrow from Biological/Physical Sciences and apply to a macro- social and economic scale in order to find solutions in everyday life. In Molecular Biology, nuclear compartmentalization is a major step in the control of signal transduction in cells.

In psychology Compartmentalization is an unconscious psychological defense mechanism used to avoid cognitive dissonance. “Compartmentalization allows these conflicting ideas to co-exist by inhibiting direct or explicit acknowledgement and interaction between separate compartmentalized self states.”

Humanitarian compartmentalization is not a solution but rather a problem in today’s humanitarian tragedy. Only if we reinstitute peace, freedom, and democracy between the humans, only then the frontiers will become a pleasure to cross, meeting new people and ideas.

Modern Globalization reflects an activity, compartmentalization is a topological question, when the activity overcomes the topological laws then the physical borders are an illusion. In physics and biology this is a major question.  Today we face this same question in our society and we need to find an equilibrium.

Regards, Vassilis

Quick replies: Matt Yu says "the influx of immigrants to europe is only the consequences of the political instability in the north African countries and the Middle East"---------- the current influx from Syria is, but to understand the relentless influx of immigrants into almost all Western countries you need to ask where did the notion that diversity is an "enrichment" to Western countries come from? Which elites, corporate interests pushed this idea that the very civilization, the West, which created the modern world, and produced almost all the great philosophers and scientists in history, needed hordes of Africans to enrich itself culturally, or Muslims? see my book, The Uniqueness of Western Civilization, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Duchesne

Now, regarding Syria; yes, you are correct, though unclear, that the civil war in Syria has resulted in mass migration, but the Germans, or Austrians, or Europeans generally were not responsible for destabilizing Syrian government; it was the Americans under the influence of pro-Israel lobbyists who benefit from chaos in Near East.

Doucas: I think you better stick to molecular biology, as you don't have a clue what you are saying with all these mushy words about equilibrium and topology; how has Pakistani immigration into Britain resulted in equilibrium? How has the Muslim take over of large areas of France and England resulted in equilibrium? Using feel-good words is easy but amounts to obfuscation of real facts.

If borders are an illusion, why do Muslim countries, Saudi Arabia, not open their border to Syrians? You obviously have no sense of pride, loyalty and affection for Greece; you think it is just a place like any other that should be populated by millions of Africans. 

Dear all, 

It is an opportunity for human solidarity reappear in the EU.

Any way, I aprreciate your interest in this matter . 

Helena

Dear All, 

How wonderful! We have finally achieved human solidarity! Check this out:: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c4Rvz5stHE&feature=youtu.be

Dear Ricardo and Dear All,

I looked on your video and it is good news that finally you accepted that Borders today are an illusion. Next is to deal with a cognitive dissonance that characterizes the modern politics. This delays the answers and hence the fear and the false idea of the “Clash of Civilizations” is established.  Terrible situation.  There is so much discussion for this clash of civilizations !. What an Invention !  Freedom Food and Education is the demand of all humans and this makes the difference. Regards, Vassilis

Yes, Vassilis; it is going to be a wonderful multicultural dinner with no more clashes of cultures; it is going to be about "Freedom, Food, and Education". Never thought of that; thanks. These are just innocent children: https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2015/05/11/small-eu-countries-dont-shove-migrants-down-our-throats/

And they just want love and freedom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0YEtuacUk

I get it now. 

We must do everything in our power to keep families together, and to use common sense in our immigration laws. Children deserve better than to lose a parent because of an inflexible law.

--- Jose Serrano

And who does Serrano mean by "we", and who do you mean by "we", Kundu? 

Obviously, you both mean European whites; they must do everything to keep families together from the whole world, but why don't you people learn to keep your families together, why always begging Europeans to take care of your families? I thought you wanted independence to take care of your own affairs. We gave you all the modern technology but you are still overproducing children you can't feed, so now you want to  colonize Europe, and turn it into a Third World hell hole. 

Every party should response positively by Humanitarian Ground. Not only Europe, UK but also all countries of the World should look after this and do accordingly. Never ever Immigration is the good solution. Nobody in the World never want to leave their motherland so we should focus this problem rather than Immigration....

In my opinion the solution of the problem is global.

The Middle East has been destabilized in the last 15 years (conflict: Israel / Arab Nations, conflict: Iraq / Iran, soviet intervention in afghanistan and weapons given to the resistance by the US, confrontation: US- Western Countries / Iran, US intervention in Iraq) leadings to wars in several arab countries ( Iraq,Syria) or recent uprising of islamic extremism in Middle East.

Western countries have a high responsability in the situation because their main interest in this region of the world is oil; they need oil ! and they do not really respect the culture and the society in arab countries, wanting to export their way of life.

We constantly give lesson in Democracy, Economy, Freedom and Humanity...Now we must welcome suffering people who knock at the door of our countries, seeking refuge that their own countries does not give them. In Europe the richest nations must host a larger number of refugees than the less rich. All the European nations must have the same consideration for the refugees; they shoud have the same right in each host country.

But we must also, in connection with the government of the Middle East nations, rapidly participate to restore the law and the peace in this region of the world; particularly: to solve the problem between Israel and the Palestinian Nation (a countrie for the Palestinians) and between Turkey and the Kurd Nation (a countrie for the kurds); and fastly to destroy the islamic murderers who negate the coran'message of peace in Syria and Iraq.

Mr Perriot says the solution is "global" but then follows the typical mainstream media answer which holds Europeans responsible. He says that since Europeans are the richest countries, they should accept most of the refugees. By the same logic, instead of sending the refugees to white working class neighbourhoods, many of which have already being destroyed by decades of immigration, we should send them to rich neighbourhoods, and what's more, why not have academics and professionals who earn easy incomes, host a few immigrants in their own homes? Let's see how enthusiastic Perriot would be, and how humanitarian. 

Why are you holding ordinary Europeans responsible for the instability in the Middle East, when it was American Neoconservatives who pursued a policy of supporting opponents of Assad's regime, creating instability, just for the sake of promoting Israel's interests? Why should ordinary white girls in France and Europe be subjected to systematic rape by Muslims and Africans? 

Unfortunately you are a typical French male with no sense of pride and manly protection of the heritage your ancestors passed to your generation through immense struggles; instead, you prefer to voice views that are responsible for the fact that huge areas of France are no longer French but African and Islamic, with "no go zones" everywhere. The French as an ethnic people are set to go extinct, and here you are still advocating the interests of aliens against your own people. Read this:  "The Africanization of France": http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2014/10/the-africanization-of-franceas-of-2014.html

 Pope Francis has called on every parish, monastery and religious community of Europe to take one refugee family. The Washington Post estimates that European parishes could house up to 500,000 refugees. 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/06/pope-francis-calls-on-catholics-to-take-in-refugee-families

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/06/if-the-pope-had-his-way-european-parishes-would-house-up-to-500000-refugees/

I think there must be talk between countries as immigrants are searching place for life.

The same Jewish people who keep their state ethnically pure by building a wall around Israel, are the biggest promoters of mass immigration and multiculturalism in the West: http://www.unz.com/isteve/netanyahu-responds-to-european-capitulation-by-launching-new-border-fence-this-morning-a-month-ahead-of-plan/#comments

Many of the immigrants to current Europe are innocent. Solve it peacefully.

As I have already said previously, this game of “Clash of Civilizations " is extremely dangerous. The Borders have no more sense today. Ricardo wants to continue to see walls.  There are no more walls.

Accept that we all have a responsibility in this humanitarian tragedy and let’s try to find a solution with intelligence, this can bring the society a step forward maybe we can stop next humanitarian tragedy. This is what we should do.  No more war and no more fear. Syria, Irak, Middle East, Persia, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt and of course Greece ! What beautiful places to be what a history and what a future. If, I was rich I could build in Greece a wonderful Institute of Molecular ChoroBiology, a new discipline in Modern Biology covering fields from Quantum Physics and Biology to Social Sciences ! You are all invited !

Ricardo, if you take a sabbatical to the South that will be a beautiful trip to multicolor nations and mutual respect.  The North needs to understand that cannot exist without the South and the West cannot exist without the East. The equilibrium is always based on an Asymmetry which guarantees the evolution. Just look on a frog’s egg. Regards, Vassilis

Dear all, 

I appreciate the interest in all the comments, but i agree with:

Vassilis: "Accept that we all have a responsibility in this humanitarian tragedy and let’s try to find a solution with intelligence, this can bring the society a step forward maybe we can stop next humanitarian tragedy.

Subhash:" Many of the immigrants to current Europe are innocent. Solve it peacefully."

Thank you

Helena

Doucas, If "there are no more walls today", how come all the borders of non-Western nations are closed to immigrants? What you say amounts to saying that European nations should continue to have open borders and allow billions of immigrants in. Let me repeat, since it looks like you prefer to offer 'teddy bear' answers, if Mexico kicks out any Central American that tries to cross its borders, what do you mean, "there are no borders today"? Since no Muslim nation wants to accept Syrians, and their borders are closed to immigrants, I repeat, how can one say they have no borders? How can you say that I am the one creating walls, when every non-European nation has walls? 

There is no humanity in what you or Helena or Kundu is saying. Plus what you are all saying is devoid of any analysis and seriousness; it is mostly feel-good emotional stuff. In the case of those non-Europeans who want open borders in Europe, it is clear they see it as chance for their people to get in, for themselves to get in, or as a means of weakening European civilization and allowing Asians to compete better, since Asians will remain intact in ethnic identity since their borders are closed. 

Those who call for open borders for Europe are advocating White Genocide:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMfk5UeGw4E

Dear all, 

I appreciate the interest in the discussion, though they include very conflicting opinions.

Have a nice time

Helena

Is it feasible and is it sustainable that all immigrants stay in EU countries? Will rich Arab countries (Emirates, Saudi Arabia...), USA and other parts of the world help and cooperate with Europe for the sake of immigrants?

Dear All,

A society cannot be constructed on the fear and the war nor on the walls. An immigrant does not want to be an immigrant.  If, Europe is afraid – and what is Europe today that is another big question that Helena can address – it can build projects as the METOIKOS to help circular migration.

In Greece have arrived more than 250.000 immigrants only in summer 2015.  We talk these days about Germany that will host 25.000 and all news are discussing this great moment and no words for Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal with millions with human bodies.

We can detect that North Europe is characterized by hypocrisy and their political leaders by cognitive dissonance and that makes Europe suffering.   Europe is not a supermarket.

The future exists that ONU tasks are redefined and all countries contributes equally to the organization of modern society. The leadership of G20 countries seems to be a catastrophe for the rest of the world and this rest is the big population and wants to get equal rights.

To end, I remark an absolute silence on the current humanitarian tragedy from the Prestigious Scientific Academies. What is the role of a Scientist? If, not the search for the truth and the happiness of the society?

The EU admits that its asylum procedures are inadequate, faced with the biggest influx of migrants since the Balkan wars of the 1990s.

Europe has been shocked by migrant tragedies in the Mediterranean and the misery of refugees - many from war-torn Syria - exploited by people traffickers.

So can Europe's governments, instead of accusing each other, take joint action to end the crisis?

Here are five key areas where EU agreement could at least ease the crisis.

See Link for Key Areas.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34139348

Downvotes of many answers will not bring the solution for immigrants. 

Urgent solutions are needed for the upcoming winter. Refugees must not wait for the winter on the streets or in tents. It was not as easy to leave their country, their homes! Let us help them. I do my part of help in Serbia.

While Doucas espouses love for humanity, and claims that bringing millions of immigrants will bring world harmony and end clashes of cultures, his own country of Greece is being destroyed by hordes of immigrants; for example, the island of Lesbos is literally burning, as an estimated 30 thousand Afghani, Pakistani, Syrians and other assorted desert people roam the once wealthy and peaceful island, rioting, looting and breaking into houses: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=12&v=C8X9oay_mo8

Here is how we should reason about the migrant crisis, from a young man, far better educated on this issue than all the academics at RG:

The Truth About the Migrant Crisis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BDqzmG-rH8

Dear Kausel,

It is exactly as you have described in your message: the Space, like clean water, is everybody's most vital possession. An activity like the war; imposes to every “Syrian space” to move it to a place where a chance to survive exists. This is immigration: a complete reorganization of the “VITAL Space” for the humans.  

As you have said the “Vital Space” of the less wealthy suffers anywhere – in the States in Europe in Africa etc. Minimizing the “Vital Space” of the less wealthy and immigrants and third countries to keep the “Vital Space” of others in very good shape is not a solution.  This is not a “Clash of Civilizations”.  

“Vital Space”, immigration or poverty is just a problem of physics at the macroscale level.  

America and Germany and others used the “immigration” after the 2nd war to grow up, in addition Germany got free huge money from third poor countries. The states have a great integration system. Now that the financial system becomes saturated there is need to close the doors and remake the machine to work by destruction. This is not very intelligent. Regards, Vassilis

Immigration rule 'has split 15,000 children from a parent'

We welcome those who wish to make a life in the UK with their family, work hard and make a contribution. But family life must not be established here at the taxpayer's expense.

We are not talking about having unrestricted access but we need to put the heart back into this policy and consider the profound impact the rules have on this group of British children and their families

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34191606

Dear Kausel,

I appreciated a lot your position and I really liked your “Space and the clean water” link. Of course you have right to express your personal thinking and I thank you.  We all learn from this discussion. I feel also that this discussion is for everyone to express ideas and try to find solutions – I think there are solutions - and of course keeping always a mutual respect.  I hope, I expressed this respect to you and to all participants.  I really appreciated your point. All the best, Vassilis

Kausel says she hopes this exchange is "not a fight to harm each other's reputation". Actually, the only position here that can bring harm to one's reputation is mine, and what worries you is that you commented in a way that seemed sympathetic to what I have said. It is unfortunate but this is the reality today in our places of "higher learning" which were meant to be places for open debate, examination of all ideas. But our universities are now the least open places in society. Why? Because all Western societies are ruled by elites determined to push mass immigration and diversity, and they, including the academics controlling our universities, are totalitarian minded in their dis-allowance of any intellectual diversity that challenges their aim to populate Western nations with masses of immigrants. But don't worry, Kausel, what you said was rather soft.

I have already paid a big price for my views. But I don't intend to back down, as someone has to speak out for the common people in Europe who are the victims of this totalitarian diversity regime: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

For Canada, see my article "Multicultural Madness": https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ricardo_Duchesne/publications

There are all solutions for the reception of the reffugees in western countries of Europe...They can make war in the Middle East or in other parts of the world. It's just question of political decision and humanity implication of people in these reach and free nations

A ten-point plan for a European refugee policy response

"Never before have so many people fled political persecution and war as today, many of whom seek refuge here with us in Europe," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier and Economics Minister Sigmar Gabriel wrote in an opinion piece, setting out a 10 point plan for a European refugee policy response.

Read 10 point plan through link.

http://www.uk.diplo.de/Vertretung/unitedkingdom/en/__pr/Latest__News/08/Steinmeier-Gabriel-10-Point-Plan.html

Immigrants should be treated humanly and descent! Here is an example. 

This picture is further proof that the Serbian people understand what the refugees are going through on their journey to a better life while passing through our country!

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/09/10/serbian-police-officer-and-smiling-syrian-boy-show-europe-how-welcoming-refugees-is-done/

http://www.telegraf.rs/english/1743409-when-you-see-this-photograph-of-a-serbian-policeman-with-a-baby-refugee-you-will-understand-what-the-syrians-think-of-us-photo

Yes, yes, "the children, the children" it is all about babies trying to come to Europe, just a few babies, "this is what the TV says mummy!"

The fact is that Serbians know they are not coming to stay in Serbia but to move on to Germany, UK, and Sweden and that the overwhelming number of these refugees are males colonizing Europe, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFuZny1XTi0

http://time.com/4014943/europe-refugee-crisis/

All this has to be seen in the context of massive invasion by Africans to Europe, and decades of diversity promotion in Europe so as to decimate the ethnic integrity of European peoples. 

Dear @Ricardo, Hungarians also know that immigrants are not going to stay in Hungary either. But this is bad example, watch it! 

Hungarian nationalist TV camera operator filmed kicking refugee children!!!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/08/hungarian-nationalist-tv-camera-operator-filmed-kicking-refugee-children

Ljubomir brings up the example of a women who trips a refugee as a demonstration that Hungarians are bad and that we should not criticize immigrants. He seems to imply that this little example means that  Hungarians and Europeans should welcome hordes of immigrants into Europe.

Well, maybe this woman knows things our media hides from us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKVMlmC1HSM

Interesting! Dear  Ricardo Duchesne.

Dear Ricardo,

Did you ever think that you could be an immigrant in Europe ?

Regards,

Vassilis

Dear @Ricardo, the facts speak for themselves, facts are stark, noise and truth can not overcome the facts. I have seen your video-clip from Hungary. Are you afraid that all those immigrants are Muslims, holy warriors of Islam!? I do not think so. They are not "hordes of immigrants" as you have said. I have never claimed that Hungarians are bad. Hungarian public condemned the act of a journalist who was aggressive towards immigrants, as whole civilized world did it. 

Video clips about Hungarian journalist and about protesters - Muslims in Hungary are just exceptions, nut the rule. Majority of immigrants do not act like this. Majority of Hungarian citizens do not act like the journalist! Refugees are people of different religions, there are Christians among them...!

Your words "All this has to be seen in the context of massive invasion by Africans to Europe, and decades of diversity promotion in Europe so as to decimate the ethnic integrity of European peoples" are the words that I can not agree with!

By the way, have you read the Conservative Party Manifesto 2015!? 

At the end, as you are the new member of ResearchGate community, I do welcome you here. We promote here different opinions, respect different cultures, colours, religions, genders, ...!

Illegal immigration is crisis for our country. It is an open door for drugs, criminals, and potential terrorists to enter our country. It is straining our economy, adding costs to our judicial, healthcare, and education systems.

--- Timothy Murphy

Who is Timothy Murphy dear @Subhash?

The proponents of mass immigration to Europe here rely on emotional arguments rather than logic and facts, such as saying "did you ever think you could be an immigrant?" So, if I imagine myself a poor African wanting to come to Europe, I must therefore agree that millions and millions of Africans should come to Europe?

Ljubomir, says "facts are facts" but has no facts other than a man with a baby -- again, emotional argument. 

The main FACT is that Europe is losing its identity and will eventually be Africanized and Islamicized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXMkcZBvq7U

Anyway, this is a waste, I am dealing with European men who have been totally emasculated and take pleasure in having stronger, manlier men replace them in their own homelands. 

As last @Ricardo's sentence is very rude and insulting, I would just say that Europe lost its identity already (his criteria of purity). 

Dear followers, I will not argue any more with @Ricardo! The only facts that are valid are his facts. No arguments but hate!

Statistics brings official EU data on migrant population.

Dear followers, watch the following distressing video! "This disturbing footage shows desperate refugees being thrown food by police officers as they are 'caged' in holding pens..."

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Migration_and_migrant_population_statistics

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/distressing-video-shows-police-throwing-6424323

5 myths regarding the current refugee and migration crisis

Few would disagree with Irish rock star Bono, who said: “Aid is just a stopgap (…) Commerce [and] entrepreneurial capitalism take more people out of poverty than aid. We need Africa to become an economic powerhouse.” Also, closer cooperation with non-EU countries and perhaps the Australian approach can be part of the solution, as we have argued with Open Europe.

http://www.capx.co/five-myths-regarding-the-current-refugee-and-migration-crisis/

As many reflective thinkers, not academics, have been suspecting or wondering, there is a lot more to the dead boy on the beach.  It seems, or there is reasonable grounds to ask, whether the boy’s father – whose family was living safely in Turkey and who was migrating to Europe to get his teeth fixed for free from Whitey – was the captain of the vessel that capsized, a smuggler captain.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/alan-kurdis-father-worked-with-human-smuggler-and-captained-boat-that-capsized-survivor-says

What is Canada ?  It is an occupied place by immigrants that make a lot of problems to real Canadian people.  Copied from Wikipedia “As a consequence of the European colonization, Canada's aboriginal peoples suffered from repeated outbreaks of newly introduced infectious diseases, such as influenza, measles, and smallpox, resulting in a forty to eighty percent population decrease in the centuries after the European arrival.”  An immigrant or aboriginal  ?

What the role of Canada is in this Syrian humanitarian tragedy? WHO finances the destruction machine of extremist in Middle East and now in Africa ??

Some real numbers; 5.000 refuges arrive in Greece par day. More than 300.000 this summer. Similar in Italy. Only 25.000 will go to Germany, only the rich. Apparently, 120.000 will be re-dispersed in different European countries.  A selection. Same was after 2nd war, with working immigrants going to Germany. They were treated as real animals. Now a SELECTION on the basis of fortune and qualifications. The rest of immigrants will stay here with us or in Italy or in Balkans. It is true that Europe is facing a silent internal revolution. 

As the prime Minister of Italy said, the North is absent.

A possible decision of the South countries to give a European ID to every immigrant and then “infectious diseases” all over the North, is the fear. As has been said: Immigrants vote for left parties, immigrants are working a lot (Le Monde 10.09.2015) and make many children, immigrants are multicolored;  these diseases may affect the Epigenetic potential of the North. The fear  has nothing to do with immigration only with money and fortune. Rich Africans, Arabs, or Syrians and others are welcome; the others are treated as be part of the “Clash of Civilizations”.

A  preselected scientific, media and political system is reproduced by a " 3D printer machine " to drive “humanism and modern ideas”…à la carte. This has to change.

BBC, CNN, the entire mainstream media is biased in favour of mass immigration and diversification of all white countries. You need alternative media, the ones critical of immigration and the war against European identity, and then you will find a more objective analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV315xqbRK8