In your opinion, could a civilisation built within the framework of full sustainability with the surrounding biosphere emerge on certain colonised exoplanets millions of light years distant? built within the framework of the full realisation of the objectives of balanced development, within the framework of a sustainable, pro-environmental, green closed-circuit economy, in which the process of global warming would not have occurred, no global climate catastrophe would have occurred in a relatively short period of time, i.e. within just a few centuries of the emergence of the first technological and industrial revolutions in civilisation, if such revolutions had occurred? Would it be possible for a civilisation to emerge on an exoplanet in this way that would not destroy the climate and biosphere of the exoplanet?
On the other hand, over a much longer period of time, what could the continuation of the evolution of the homo sapiens species look like over the next thousands and millions of years on colonised exoplanets millions of light years away?
In your opinion, how could the evolution of homo sapiens continue over the next thousands and millions of years if the Earth's civilisation survived for at least another 100 years and man succeeded in colonising exoplanets? What do you think the evolution of homo sapiens would have looked like over the next thousands and millions of years if Earth's civilisation had survived for at least another 100 years and man had managed to build spaceships that would have enabled the colonisation of many exoplanets similar to Planet Earth, millions of light years away?
For example, if man succeeded in building spaceships which would allow the colonisation of many exoplanets similar to the Earth, distant by millions of light years, and after colonising at least several hundred exoplanets, after a period of at least several thousand years man would survive on some of these exoplanets and build certain civilisations which would be significantly different from the one we know. After a period of at least several thousand years, it would turn out that only on every hundredth or every thousandth exoplanet would a new civilisation be built and a new human race already evolved, which would survive specific natural cataclysms and/or climatic and other catastrophes resulting from human activity. A large number of colonised exoplanets similar to the Earth, but nevertheless significantly different from each other, e.g. in terms of the composition of elements on the equivalent Mendeleyev tables, the structure of key organic compounds, the composition of the biosphere, the climate, etc., would correspond, for example, to different islands on the planet Earth, on which different species of flora and fauna arose in a process of Darwinian evolution lasting millions of years. In the context of such considerations, the following question arises: What qualities could a human being have, whose civilisation would survive for many thousands of years to come on a small number of colonised exoplanets similar to the planet Earth, distant by millions of light years? What qualities could a human being have, whose civilisation would survive many thousands of consecutive years, i.e. would develop in a fully balanced way with the surrounding nature functioning on a specific exoplanet similar to the planet Earth and would avoid the negative scenario that awaits the planet Earth in the 21st century, namely would avoid degradation of the biosphere occurring on the exoplanet, would avoid global warming and climate catastrophe? In my opinion, it would probably have been human beings who would have built a civilisation on the basis of sustainability with the surrounding nature, and intelligent people, as a result of the evolutionary process operating in a slightly different than earthly environment on distant exoplanets, would not have developed negative characteristics such as e.g. Greed, egoism, thoughtless exploitation of the planet's resources within the framework of a selfish robbery economy, ignorance of the relationship between man and the natural environment surrounding man, ignorance of the negative development of civilisation causing great damage to the surrounding biosphere and climate, i.e. features which have decided that the development of civilisation and the technological progress which has taken place on planet Earth in the 21st century has not protected man, the biosphere and the planet's climate from destruction.
For example, if man succeeded in building spaceships which would allow the colonisation of many exoplanets similar to the Earth, distant by millions of light years, and after colonising at least several hundred exoplanets, after a period of at least several thousand years man would survive on some of these exoplanets and build certain civilisations which would be significantly different from the one we know. After a period of at least several thousand years, it would turn out that only on every hundredth or every thousandth exoplanet would a new civilisation be built and a new human race already evolved, which would survive specific natural cataclysms and/or climatic and other catastrophes resulting from human activity. A large number of colonised exoplanets similar to the Earth, but nevertheless significantly different from each other, e.g. in terms of the composition of elements on the equivalent Mendeleyev tables, the structure of key organic compounds, the composition of the biosphere, the climate, etc., would correspond, for example, to different islands on the planet Earth, on which different species of flora and fauna arose in a process of Darwinian evolution lasting millions of years. In the context of such considerations, the following question arises: What qualities could a human being have, whose civilisation would survive for many thousands of years to come on a small number of colonised exoplanets similar to the planet Earth, distant by millions of light years? What qualities could a human being have, whose civilisation would survive many thousands of consecutive years, i.e. would develop in a fully balanced way with the surrounding nature functioning on a specific exoplanet similar to the planet Earth and would avoid the negative scenario that awaits the planet Earth in the 21st century, namely would avoid degradation of the biosphere occurring on the exoplanet, would avoid global warming and climate catastrophe? In my opinion, it would probably have been human beings who would have built a civilisation on the basis of sustainability with the surrounding nature, and intelligent people, as a result of the evolutionary process operating in a slightly different than earthly environment on distant exoplanets, would not have developed negative characteristics such as e.g. Greed, egoism, thoughtless exploitation of the planet's resources within the framework of a selfish robbery economy, ignorance of the relationship between man and the natural environment surrounding man, ignorance of the negative development of civilisation causing great damage to the surrounding biosphere and climate, i.e. features which have decided that the development of civilisation and the technological progress which has taken place on planet Earth in the 21st century has not protected man, the biosphere and the planet's climate from destruction. Of course, in this issue, considerations around the following further question arise: On these other, distant but also similar to the planet Earth, would man develop civilisation in a similar way as it has done on the planet Earth and also a process of global warming and climate catastrophe would occur, i.e. on these other exoplanets the appearance of man could be compared to the appearance of a virus in a certain balanced environment, which would seriously disrupt this state of sustainability and lead to a catastrophe of the exoplanet's biosphere? Such comparisons have been used more than once in popular science literature and in films of the science fiction genre, including, for example, part 1 of the 'Matrix' trilogy directed by the Wachowski brothers. However, we are not able to answer the latter question fully unequivocally, because we do not know the geological, climatic, natural environments, the biochemical composition and organic compounds forming the biosphere of the exoplanet, the composition and structure of the elements forming the dominant minerals on the planet, etc. of those other many hundreds, thousands or perhaps more exoplanets similar to the planet Earth. Thus, we do not know these presumably different in many respects biotic and abiotic environments of exoplanets and therefore do not know how these other environments would have shaped the development of other civilisations that may have been man-made on distant exoplanets. Alternatively, we can describe a hypothetical situation that could exist on some human-colonised exoplanets by defining the aforementioned conditions existing on an exoplanet of other animate and inanimate nature that could determine the development of human civilisation taking place in harmony with the surrounding nature and climate, i.e. within the framework of full sustainability, i.e. also in a way that we currently define on planet Earth as fully pursuing the goals of sustainable development and conducted within the framework of a sustainable, pro-environmental, green circular economy. Until we know more about these other abiotic and biotic environments found on many exoplanets and whether other, different forms of life exist on many other exoplanets, the answer to the above questions can only end at the stage of conjecture and theoretical considerations.
In view of the above, I address the following question to the esteemed community of scientists and researchers:
What, in your opinion, could the continuation of the evolution of the species homo sapiens look like in the period of the next thousands and millions of years, if the Earth's civilization survived for min. What do you think the evolution of homo sapiens would look like over the next thousands and millions of years, if the Earth's civilisation survived for at least another 100 years and man managed to build spaceships that would enable the colonisation of many exoplanets similar to the Earth, millions of light years away?
On the other hand, over a much longer period of time, what could the continuation of the evolution of the homo sapiens species look like over the next thousands and millions of years on colonised exoplanets millions of light years distant?
In your opinion, on certain colonised exoplanets millions of light years distant, would it be possible, under certain, different, biotic and abiotic conditions found on certain exoplanets, to have a civilisation built within the framework of full sustainability with the surrounding biosphere, built within the framework of full realisation of the goals of sustainable development, within the framework of a sustainable, pro-environmental, green closed-circuit economy, in which the process of global warming would not occur, no global climate catastrophe would occur within a relatively short period of time, i.e. within just a few centuries of the emergence of the first technological and industrial revolutions in civilisation, if such revolutions had occurred? Would it be possible for a civilisation to emerge on an exoplanet in this way that would not destroy the climate and biosphere of the exoplanet?
What could the continuation of the development of civilisation on colonised exoplanets millions of light years away look like?
What do you think?
What is your opinion on this subject?
Please respond,
I invite you all to discuss,
Thank you very much,
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Dariusz Prokopowicz Assuming we are able to colonise planets of other stars we would initially export Earth culture to the new colony. Then, just as the USA took independence, so the new colony would become self sufficient and self governing.
We must be careful not to assume that it will be easy to find habitable exoplanets. Once you understand the special conditions that led to the formation of the solar system it might be the case that there are no habitable planets within range.
https://youtu.be/QjZg6WQp8mU
The other thing to consider is that if the planet is Earth like then it probably already contains life.
One fact to take into consideration is that when the Andromeda galaxy and the Milky Way galaxy merge in around 4 billion years, this will create an opportunity for new star formation and new life formation.
Richard
What is the motivation for traveling to other worlds? Is it because of all the unprincipled consumption of resources and destruction of its vital system?! If the answer is yes, then the immature human will do the same with any vital ecology! If his journey is not for the reason mentioned, it must be due to the increase in the population of the earth and the need to expand the habitat by adding new habitats.
In this case, with full maturity, humans will settle new habitats such as the earth.
It is difficult to estimate when mankind will reach a high-level civilization for the development of its habitat, considering the complicated social, political situation and the current process of destroying the earth's ecology!
These are happy dreams that have many buts and ifs for their realization!
It is necessary for the leaders of the world to really share all the people of the earth, consisting of all existing civilizations, in the result of their progress! Hunger, poverty, exploitation, war, dictatorship, terrorism, prostitution, enmity with nature, profiteering of governments and many other anomalies of the current civilization of the earth, will not allow us to even think about these trips soon!
In any case, these planets exist outside the solar system and certainly many of them have the conditions to accept human life!
In terms of technology, sooner or later, man will master the techniques and knowledge of distant space travel, and he will travel to these spheres and spread the table of other life there! If the unstable balance of the current civilization does not cause it to collapse so that everything starts anew!
Has this not happened before? And human civilization has not reached the point of leap many times and then started again due to a catastrophic event! ?
The space travel of Earthlings colonizing other distant planets or extraterrestrials coming from elsewhere to dominate Earthlings, are fantasies, which only British science fiction propagandists of official science like Stephen Hawking or Brian Cox can afford to indulge in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU4RGYz7lwE
The next star close to the sun i.e., Proxima Centauri is 4.2 LTYs (1.3020 parsec) away. Even with a velocity of 10% of c, it will require many times the life span of any human to reach any habitable planet of that star and there are none. There are no life-bearing planets within the known astronomical range so far. Even the old speculation of Swedish chemist Savente A. Arrhenius that life on Earth arose from “panspermia,” of microscopic spores that came from elsewhere in outer space; is an impossibility from the perspective of modern astrophysics.
Life evolved on Earth out of the inorganic content with which it was formed and the physico-chemical , geological, climatic etc., conditions it attained in course of time: Article The Transformation by Catalysis of Prebiotic Chemical System...
But it is not at all true that life only evolved by an almost impossible concatenation of chance events only on earth in the universe, after its so-called "Big Bang" creation; as claimed by Nobel Awarded biochemist Jacques Monod. From a dialectical perspective; life must have existed, is existing and will continue to exist in this infinite, eternal and ever-changing universe: “… however many millions of suns and earths may arise and pass away, however long it may last before the conditions for organic life develop, however innumerable the organic beings that have to arise and pass away before animals with a brain capable of thought are developed from their midst, and for a short span of time find conditions suitable for life, only to be exterminated later without mercy, we have the certainty that matter remains eternally the same in all its transformations, that none of its attributes can ever be lost, and therefore also, that with the same iron necessity that it will exterminate on the earth its highest creation, the thinking mind, it must somewhere else and at another time again produce it.” F. Engels, “Dialectics of Nature”.
Seyed Mohammad Mousavi There is one further motivation that you did not mention and that is to ensure the survival of the human species.
It seems that the Earth will become uninhabitable in about 5 billion years. However, in about 4 billion years the Milky Way galaxy and Andromeda will merge. Does this represent a threat or an opportunity?
It is clear that humans travelling to distant stars represents a huge technological challenge. The key to solving the problem is speed. If we could get to half the speed of light and survive travelling at that speed (relative to the space rest frame) then we could reach the nearest star in 8 years.
If we could go even faster then the effect of time dilation would cause the astronaut’s body to age more slowly.
It is clearly a big technological problem but we have a few billion years to solve it and we might as well start planning now.
Richard
Dear Richard Lewis
I have implied it in the sentence implicitly,"...it must be due to the increase in the population of the earth and the need to expand the habitat by adding new habitats....." but you are right that it needed more emphasis. Thank you for your detailed comment.
Yours sincerely
To answer really scientifically to question
“What might the continued development of civilisation look like on colonised exoplanets millions of light years away?”
- it is necessary before to answer to question – what is “civilization”? and what are “exaplanets millions of light years away? , though.
However scientific answers to these questions are possible only after answering to the at least questions “what is “Matter”?”, and “what is “Consciousness”, while these fundamental phenomena/notions, and necessary also in this case fundamental phenomena/notions “Space”, “Time”, “Energy”, “Inertia”, “Information” as well, in the mainstream philosophy and sciences are fundamentally completely transcendent/uncertain/irrational, and so in the mainstream really rational scientific answer to the thread question is principally impossible.
That is possible only framework of the really philosophical 2007 Shevchenko-Tokarevsky’s “The Information as Absolute” conception, recent version of the basic paper see
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363645560_The_Information_as_Absolute_-_2022_ed
, though briefly in this case it is essentially enough to read first dozen of pages in https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355361749_The_informational_physical_model_and_fundamental_problems_in_physics
- where all the phenomena/notions above are rigorously scientifically defined, including it is rigorously proven that Matter and any consciousness, including the “consciousness on Earth” version, are fundamentally different informational systems [when, as that rigorously proven in the conception there exist absolutely for sure nothing besides some informational patterns/systems of the patterns that are elements of the absolutely fundamental and absolutely infinite “Information” Set].
So really Matter – and any/every material structure, and any consciousness, first of all the “homo-two sapiens” version, exist and evolve/develop fundamentally very essentially independently on each other in corresponding only inessentially crossed spacetimes in the Set;
- while the consciousness uses the practically material structure “body” only as some stable residence in the Set and a power supply, while – as that follows from evidently observed ~ 2 billions of years trend of living beings development “more and more outside Matter into some outer regions in the Set” – it looks as well probable that the consciousness’s inherent goal is just enhancing of her operation in the Set outside Matter.
At that in recent state in the “programs” “consciousnesses ” on Earth, including in the humans’ ones, the resident utilities that provide stability of the practically material body are dominant, what happens, including, in humans because of the transcendence above, and so humans’ behavior, including at forming some “civilizations” is practically completely determined by the corresponding “material interest”,
- despite that this interest really should play only some auxiliary role in humans’ activity.
Returning so to the thread question more concretely – so really for human there is no any necessity in any colonizations of any planets, and, of course, of “exaplanets millions of light years away” – really that simply physically completely impossible – tooo large energies must be spent to make some travel of even few kilogram mass on distances even a few light years in some reasonable time intervals;
- while that really is completely unnecessary. To travel outside Matter is well possible when being on Earth, and really any really well developed civilizations in Matter practically for sure live in the Set mostly outside their planets – including so no any civilizations are observed till now by humans’ fundamentally material instruments; etc.
More see the both links above.
Cheers
I take "continued development" to mean more advanced. So we are talking about genuinely intelligent, post-evolutionary lifeforms. They may well have comprehended the arrangement of the universe prior to becoming post-evolutionary, and demonstrated their support for its goals (quite unlike this civilisation). Understanding that the universe has been configured to host aquatic life with high efficiency for over 10^23 years following the decay of dark energy to low energy neutrinos, which is anticipated before the last life-cultivating stars die out, they will be preparing to colonise their destination galaxies, if not actively relocating there already. Not all galaxies offer good long-term survival prospects - the Milky Way being a prime example.
What will they look like? Aquatic animals, most probably. That would offer them the most comfortable existence as their body density will almost certainly resemble the density of water, affording them buoyancy and freedom from gravity (and associated injuries) in aquatic habitats.
Having worked for some time on an explanation for the mechanism behind memory, and thence consciousness, my current belief is that unless humanity gets its act together to sort out global warming, or indeed the aggressive behaviour of a few national leaders, there is a good chance we shall not survive in any useful form of intelligence understanding such as we have more or less achieved today.
Having said that, I also have an optimistic intimation that there is a solution which would evolve if we were to better able to grasp how and for what purpose we exist. In short, we need to develop an understanding of the way in which our minds work, and in order to do this, a crucial task is to develop a theory for the mechanism behind memory, which thus far has disgracefully never been done to any degree of universal agreement or achievement. This is a subject on which I have been striving sporadically over the last 45 years or so to do (see website below should curiosity be piqued).
My subjective attempts towards the latter result in two likely conclusions. The first is that humanity will not manage well if at all, and either incinerate itself in a nuclear holocaust, or fry itself to imbecility via global warming and overpopulation. Either that, or if we get our act together, to better understand the mechanism of mind, memory and thought, then we shall manage to do quite well. However, it will probably not be in the form of individual activities, but rather as a form of a joint intelligence system, and which might or might not be bothered to continue on with physical corporeality.
This would be via our individual minds be joined together, in perhaps much the same way as computers can be networked together. However, this would only become feasible as and when, and if our understanding of mind and memory progresses adequality to render this possible.
If the latter rather teleological prediction transpires, or something like it, then we shall not need other planets or solar systems to which to travel and populate, although I dare say such advanced species/systems which must presumably already exist, according to Fermi’s paradox: “Where are they all?”
Such advanced civilisations must exist given the vast extent of the observable universe, and they might be inclined to check out the progress of lesser underdeveloped species from time to time. I sometimes wonder whether this is why there are reports of apparently extraterrestrial transport systems being observed and then rapidly vanishing away, quite understandably since presumably they would not wish to disturb or over accelerate the normal Darwinian process of evolution and life’s development. But who knows.
Nick
http://www.mindandmemory.net/
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