As you say, the fields are very interrelated. Indeed, the most significant problem may well be that those involved in delivering mental health services are unaware that psychometric methods can provide more sensitive and comprehensive measures of both problem and progress than can their clinical judgement. On the other hand, those in psychometrics can have a disconcerting lack of awareness of the complexities of real life mental health issues.

My advice would be that specialising would fail to leverage the power of both areas.

As you say, the fields are very interrelated. Indeed, the most significant problem may well be that those involved in delivering mental health services are unaware that psychometric methods can provide more sensitive and comprehensive measures of both problem and progress than can their clinical judgement. On the other hand, those in psychometrics can have a disconcerting lack of awareness of the complexities of real life mental health issues.

My advice would be that specialising would fail to leverage the power of both areas.

Ronán Michael Conroy thanks for the response. however, i am still confused. are you suggesting that i will fail to deliver in whichever field i choose to specialize in? If so, is it possible to somehow integrate the fields?

No, I am suggesting that what the world needs is not narrow specialisms but people who can bridge the domains of theory and practice.

If you desire to perform mostly clinical work, I recommend the PSY D. If you mainly desire conducting clinical research a concentration in psychometric will be worthwhile.

Best wishes,

Rich

You like my student that confuse to choose between

counseling and clinical psychology . clinical pcychology also conclude psychometric test , suitable for the student who like to do testing , calculate , and interpret of test to see insight of cognitive , feeling and behavior.

Counseling student like to help the counselee to help himself by counseling technique and theory .listening more than speaking , and have good feeling if conselee can solve the problem and being happy .Most conseling in normal psycho person do not use psycho test because we use tecnique and thoery to solve counselee ‘ s problem except someone. Thanks for the question. I think you have many guidelines to make decision, goodluck.

I am both a clincian, Psychiatric nurse who started out her work in the Clinical World and then later in life while on Faculty pursued my Ph.D but in Social Policy..... I agree with some of the comments about... the Counseling degree will focus on just that counseling.... but if a strong program will include psycometrics or some version of that... A Degreee in Psychometrics will focus on the digital analysis perhaps of clinical situations...... Just a question of whether like working directly with people or numbers.... Good Luck!

It really depends on the end point isn't it? What are /is your end point goal? That determines what you need to pursue to get there. As Ronan MIchael Conroy suggests, find out how you can bridge the two?

I think, PhD in counseling

What is your desired end state? AKA What job do you eventually want? Check out what employers in the region you want to live are currently asking for that position? Then use your studies (theory and prac -

Either placements or tutoring) to be competitive. Good luck...

Dear M Mushtaq,

Most of the above answers should suffice your need. However just to add to above posts I would suggest two points, hoping to facilitate your decision.

A similee to your position would be like a medical graduate getting confused to go for specialisation either in medicine or in pathology. Medicine co relates to counselling and pathology to psychometrics. Rarely we come across such confusion. But all medicine specialists do advise pathological investigations while giving medical advise. But no pathologist, though interested earlier to offer advise, ventures to offer advise once become specialist in pathology. Similarly once you take up psychometric then you may not be cherishing opportunity to give psychological intervention. One role is action oriented and other is dormant though demands very high intelligence.

Second point, you need self assessment. E.g Erick Berne says your childhood is going to influence your decision. So find out what excited, inspired you in childhood, helping others directly (bravely) or helping from behind the curtain.

You may also wonder how order of sibling affect ones selection, e.g. if you're first born then possibility is you may choose to be counsellor.

Lastly, learn standard technique of taking decions. E.g. take one decision among two options and sleep over ot at least for 3 days. Later search or ask yourself if you're comfortable during those last 3 days. Your comfort level would tell you if decision was correct or suitable to you or not.

Hope this post offers you some justice or assistance.

May God / Allah bless us.

Psychometrics look like apt to be employed in research and even in work psychology. Counseling dont allow fully to practice psychotherapy, I m afraid.

Counselling means giving information, empowering client and helping person to remove doubts, providing guidance to take appropriate decision.

Psychotherapy means facilitating to overcome psychological problems, alleviating mental illness.

But dear Giovanni Sir, Mushtaq being graduate in psychology must be knowing these meanings.

Aren't you dear Mushtaq ?

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thanks all for providing guidance. it really is quite helpful. Madhav Gajananrao Raje you are right being a graduate i know the difference between the two fields. i am really impressed by some of the things you mentioned to facilitate decision making. And yeah birth order is in fact quite a factor in deciding how we want to work. i think i am more of an action oriented person. moreover, in terms of impact i think counseling will serve me better as compared to psychometrics.

Good , all the best.

in counsellin include theory about methods ,goals and process every theory that for treatmet of diferent problems individuals depend on.but psychometrics about tests that validity of personality ,intelligence ,...include .i think should see that material that in the include to what interested.