THE critical insight leading to our understanding of electromagnetic radiation was conceived by James Clerk Maxwell, namely an electric displacement current that produced magnetic effects! How is a photon emitted? During photon emission an excited atomic or molecular state pushes into the electromagnetic wave propagation medium, or non-medium, by means of electric displacement as a current. That current builds an electric field state with which it continues to oscillate as a photon. Once a photon is propagating, the physical process by which it was initiated fades like an impedance change in an acoustic or signal transmission system, or like the form of a friend in fog, and what came first becomes irrelevant. At first glance one chooses the electric displacement current as the relevant motion for kinetic energy and the electric field it produces the relevant concentration for potential energy. But, displacement current of what and concentration of what? Dielectric polarization is physically real, but what is an electric displacement current “in space” or even “in spacetime?”
A charged object is moved by another charged object “at a distance” and we say that the charged objects impose on their surroundings “an electric field.” Charged objects can attract or repel one another, which event indicates polarity in the charged objects and direction in their fields. Numerous speculations exist that posit of what the field consists. The fact that electric object motion produces magnetic effects and that magnetic object motion produces electric effects, leads to the preferred speculation that in propagation nothing else is involved and electric and magnetic effects are one another’s “of what.” This mutual support may be produced by an electron in an excited atom and imposed on a non-medium of propagation because none is needed. Given “of what” the potential energy of combined electric and magnetic fields would be caused by the electric displacement current and the kinetic potential would proceed.
However, light paths bend in gravitational fields and whether that is due to refraction or warped spacetime it still affects propagation as if the electric-magnetic mutual “of what” speculation is not the whole story. What if the present epoch began with a hot vapor filling the universe, instead of as a Big Bang “point?” Signal wavelength and period would have been very large in the hot vapor. If particles condensed from that hot vapor, part of it would be converted to matter. That loss would cool the vapor. Given a supercool vapor, condensation would likely begin everywhere and trigger further condensation in a rapid cascade to condensate. Before condensation a particle-to-be-portion of vapor could be of universe scale. Initial condensate particles and their reduced density environment could also be of universe scale. The condensed vapor energy would diminish energy outside the particles in most of the volume of the universe, and signal wavelength and period would drop. Everything would shrink and the universe would appear to expand. The condensed particle and its reduced density environment would shrink to present size in the cooled, post-condensation period of the epoch. The environment of particles would be their gravitational field, refracting passing photons or the waves comprising the Moon in orbit. Both the “Moon waves” and photons would be oscillations on the remaining, now cooled vapor filling the universe.
Given such a universe vapor, “granule unrest” as the overall fluid character of the speculation would be appropriate, and then the general sense of a compression wave with electric displacement current as kinetic energy and electromagnetic field as potential energy would apply. Then kinetic energy in photon wave propagation could be augmented by the magnetic field induced by the electric displacement current and potential energy in a photon wave could be augmented by the electric field induced by magnetic field changes. In this view the magnetic field stores and returns energy as the photon propagates. The key to this speculation is that the magnetic effects of electric field changes and electric effects of magnetic field changes are the mechanism of energy storage and release as a photon propagates as a wave in the universe vapor.
Dear Leonard Hall ,
I like your speculations, they are the start to a better understanding of nature.
I will in about a week's time start a series of papers in RG which explains the EM-phenomena in general. Somewhat later other papers with further explanations will appear.
JES
Why, Thank You Stellan Gustafsson for your very pleasant addition to my morning. Spring is here after a long winter (162 inches of snowfall), and discussion of photons with hope for understanding is equally welcome.
I caution you that my focus is on the future understanding of persons who benefit from our efforts, and I accept no authority, even myself, but expertise and exploration are my life blood and I look forward to your series of papers.
Happy Trails, Len
Dear Leonard Hall ,
I just put an updated paper, on the local reference frame, in my profile. That will give you something to think about, until the next one.
JES
Howdy Stellan Gustafsson,
Your updated paper is certainly a different way to look at reference frames. I wish I could be more supportive.
I see "relativity" in terms of invariance in keeping with biographers' report that Albert Einstein preferred invariance for both special and general cases. The invariance is of the laws of physics and measurement results so the speed of light is measured to be the same, not is the same in all inertial reference frames. I have never understood the need to stamp out "relativity" such as "A Hundred Authors Against Einstein." Oh, well.
Your use of an electron in an electron beam producing Low Energy Electron Diffraction (LEED) as an inertial frame in your demonstration of the need for a reference frame is ingenious. Unfortunately, that electron would be reflected during the course of the experiment, so I find the argument flawed and the need for the crystal to provide all the motion unconvincing. The relative motion applies in the event regardless of the reference frames since equations are not used in the natural process.
We share the sense of a medium surrounding mass and while the demonstration of a rest frame in other research differs from yours, there is convincing evidence that such a frame exists, for instance: (https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/ac6f08)
Happy Trails, Len
Hi, Len (if you don't mind me calling you so)
I agree with the CMB demonstration.
The LEED experiment shows that an associated wavelength is needed to obtain the reflected pattern of the electron beam. So, it's not a problem of velocity but rather, "how is a crystal in motion creating an associated wave of the correct length?"
I'm not protesting against time dilation, mass increase and length contraction, but just against the reference frame.
Stellan
Dear Leonard Hall ,
The photon is created by graviton and its energy and potential deppending of the graviton stage and the stage of the medium through which the photon passes...
I wish you all a Blessed and Peaceful Easter!
Refógards,
Laszlo
Howdy Stellan,
Len is fine, preferred in fact. I think we need to appreciate the natural process more deeply and wonder whether the LEED is due to ". . . an associated wave of the correct length?" Also, in the natural event what reference frame could exist beyond the relation of physical crystal and electron beam? The Michelson-Morley experiment was repeated after six months to address the motion of the earth in orbit, and LEED certainly is also independent of apparatus velocity. Our description uses the associated wave and we are pleased that de Broglie's insight works, but is that how LEED occurs?
Given the CMB demonstration and a LEED apparatus moving with the earth in its many different motions, "how is a crystal in motion creating an associated wave" gets to be a real problem for me. It cannot be in a rest frame as a rule, so I remain in favor of relative motion of beam and crystal that permits the de Broglie wave description. Quantum Mechanics must have an expression for this, but I worry about explanation there too.
Happy Trails, Len
Howdy László Attila Horváth,
I hope your Easter has been blessed and peaceful also.
Your brief answer is full of possibilities, but with so much undefined it is hard to apply it. Actually, I think that the gravitational field associated with photon energy is transported with the photon but this is not gravitational attraction which I associate with the effect of a graviton. How does a graviton "create" a photon?
". . . its energy and potential depending of the graviton stage and the stage of the medium through which the photon passes . . ." is promising as an answer to my discussion topic and I look forward to an explanation of what it means.
Happy Trails, Len
Dear Leonard, ( Leonard Hall )
Thank you your response. Your reply confirms that we think alike. There is no denying what I have written in my comment.
You wrote:
'I think that the gravitational field associated with photon energy is transported with the photon but this is not gravitational attraction which I associate with the effect of a graviton. '- OK. (The graviton ('virtual photon' in has a has adhesive effect in elementary level [imagine it as a microgravity space]
'How does a graviton "create" a photon?'
The problem you have raised is really is under formulation In a 'natural' dochtrine of graviton. It was present in project of Graviton, but the ResearchGate deleted the the project likes links after 31.03.2023
I don't have time to present again, now but I'll get back to it....
But imagine the next analogy: 'Higgs boson' [I do not accept its existence] and its field when is created creates an negative energy concentration which is which leads to a positive energy concentration and after dispaers this energy concentration, same time of a another positive concentration shated out in form of photon when the Higgs field is is ceased.
It works like an arrow. It resembles an explosive volcanic eruption.
So you can imagine what I mean.
And you see, we are facing a very simple natural approach.
We get a very simple natural narrative with this kind of approach to the graviton.!
Regards,
Laszlo
Howdy Laszlo,
Thank you for your response. When ResearchGate announced deletion of Projects I posted the contents of my project separately. I'm sorry yours were lost. Also, I remember "I don't have time . . ." when 84 hours/week was half-time.
"(The graviton ('virtual photon' in has a has adhesive effect in elementary level [imagine it as a microgravity space]" Okay, but what is the mechanism of the adhesive effect. My propagating shear quadrupole graviton effects gravitation by refracting waves that represent matter as they pass through its volume. How does yours work? (See 3:13 AM 26 March 2022.docx here on RG.) Your comment on the Higgs boson and on positive and negative energy reminds me of the holes in the Zero Point Field false vacuum that expand as "inflation" deplete through radiation and collapse as "deflation." From my tentative answer for Mahdi Salehi's RG Q&A question: "Inflationary or Deflationary universe?" "?? Inflation - negative gravity from false vacuum decay expands a bubble which is our universe; Deflation - energy from false vacuum decay radiates away or forms particles allowing bubble collapse. ??" Does this relate to your comments?
I await further information on your natural approach when your time allows and affirm deeply any effort to express the nature of Nature in all matters.
Until then, Happy Trails, Len
Oops!! Sorry Laszlo, my graviton is in "313 Ruminations" near the end. That is the first section in the file "Wave-in-a-Well Model and Fields." Memory is transient in many ways, shucks, I've even forgotten Michael Faraday's name recently. I hope the wrong reference didn't cause a problem.
Happy Trails, Len
Dear Leonard Hall
In my profile, you can find the basics of electromagnetism. There is no photon needed to explain it.
The photon is an independent energy package, which I will give a detail description of in a later chapter.
JES
Howdy Stellan (Len is just fine for me as we settled earlier),
Good! A detailed description of a photon as an independent energy package will be welcome. An explanation of the character of the energy forms and energy exchanges in a photon would address this discussion better. Shucks, I read about the basics of electromagnetism back in '57 when I took a library physics book home for the summer, and I have not tried to explain it here; this discussion is intended to be about photons.
By the way, it is extremely important to science to recognize that describe does not explain and it does not answer "What are kinetic and potential energy in oscillations?" Actually, I would like to know that, like knowing about propulsion and lift in the motion of the wings of a bird. I can see thrust against inertia and pressure differentials due to flow over the wing in a pleasant mind movie. To watch a photon in a similar movie in my mind addressing dynamics would be a very welcome outcome here.
Happy Trails, Len
Howdy Preston Guynn,
Thank you for the valuable information on photons you have provided and the opportunity to read 26 pages of your Thomas Precession article. I did not find either "photon" or "emission" in the latter article when word searched, so I shall defer reading it until I have completed similar opportunities offered earlier by others.
Your photon information is great history, but I see no answer to my question therein. Granted there is more to a photon than energy exchange. Were you to reread my description, you would find circular polarization of a photon probable and many of the details you describe could be derived therefrom.
I am seeking better understanding of the nature of a photon as a dynamic individual in a mind movie, like seeing an eddy in a stream, and having to twist it twice for it to look right doesn't help, * * * unless that activity proves that a photon appears to us as a linear representation of something essentially quadratic, perhaps interaction between kinetic and potential energy forms in its internal cycles [brand new wording!!! I wonder???].
Happy Trails, Len
P.S. You're right! Most people do not think this way, and everyone I know is happy few others do! lfh
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