Pleading for an European Earthquake like Disasters Prediction Centre!
The earthquakes that occur in the Earth's crust; volcanic eruptions or other phenomena such as these can in principle be predicted well in advance. Anyone who reads the current discourse will be convinced of the validity of the earlier statement.
This discussion started in March 2020. It has been changed with today's date (01.25.2024) The original form can be seen at the following link:
https://www.researchgate.net/post/There_is_a_need_for_an_European_Earthquake_like_Disasters_Prediction_Centre/126 ]
The reason for this change is that the political situation on which the discourse was based had changed.
The discussion in its current form is intended to press for the creation in Europe of an organisation whose aim is to predict the phenomena mentioned earlier - earthquakes in the Earth's crust; volcanic eruptions or similar phenomena.
Many people are sceptical about predicting the phenomena listed above. But at the same time, there are those among us who are confident that this will soon be the case of creation such a phenomenon forecasting centre, as the scientists of the mmainnstream, controlled by big politics, can no longer resist the pressure of independent researchers who, without any support and without data from state-funded stations, have been able to achieve serious successes. In China, for example, exists in earthquake prediction centre (Institute of Earthquake Forecasting (IEF) of the China
https://www.ief.ac.cn/home/index.html ) for more than forty years. This is further proof that the mainstream scientists in the European Union must decide how far they will go against the truth and obstruct the validation of objective science that includes the prediction previously mentioned phenomenon.
Everyone is encouraged to share and participate in this dialogue, even if they do not agree with its spirit!
Earthquake predictions should be taken seriously because of the potential devastation and tragic loss of life that occurs when such predictions are not heeded. Unfortunately, influential people in governments, despite the advances made in seismology, still believe that earthquakes cannot be predicted. In the example of the coronavirus pandemic that you have cited, I think that, at first, governments did not take the warnings from epidemiologists that the disease was highly contagious seriously. People were initially allowed to move in and out of epicentres with ease and without the necessary preventive measures. The belated strong action currently being taken to protect citizens should have been taken much earlier. In an earthquake the situation is far worse because there isn't even time to correct any lack of preparedness.
Dear Oswell Namasas ,
Thank you for your response... You have right... My assumption is that the earthquakes can be forecasting predicted in majorities case onto the base of my vision, only for testing this vision needs time and good work condition (not working as a clothes seller )
Here is an earthquake forecasting to the (Japan, Kamchatka) only in great approach, because I do not have the required data, and opportunity for testing...
After the second part of September ( between October- December) exist a strong possibility of big Earthquakes (Japan, Kuril Islands, and Kamchatka… The biggest Earthquakes will happen in Japan and the Kuril Islands (they have the possibility to be bigger than M7 East Coast of Japan: Honshu, Hokkaido, SHIKOKU, etc, …; Bonin Islands … Exist the same possibility of bigger Earthquakes in other places in East Asia but I will try to forecast them the letter.
As time will come I will try to correct this forecasting (short-time forecasting)
If the semi-long time earthquakes forecasting good... with the short time earthquake -forecasting can be determined well the position and the real-time of earthquake event.
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
I understand the problem you raised about the relationship between prediction and management of the seismic emergency. Today it is better than a decade ago and even mainstream magazines are starting to consider these studies.
Dear Valentino,
Thank you for the observation… With it enlarged the purpose of discussion, have given opportunities to think into the direction of the management of the seismic emergency, too… And mentioned good news...
This weekend I read the next report from 2011
( PROCEEDINGS Natural Cataclysms and Global Problems of the Modern Civilization WORLD FORUM – INTERNATIONAL CONGRESS
September 19-21, 2011 – Istanbul, Turkey see the attached file) there can be found such an explanation in the chapter 'SPECIAL SECTION 1. Earthquake Forecasting – 2011' pg 48-166 there exist lot of good ideas, but exist others with totally far from the reality)...
Take with critics the before made my earthquake forecasting! It has been made onto untested intuition got in the last two months… I am not waiting with testing, because the time is short, and if the intuition is correct we can have positive results, rapidly … We have had interesting earthquakes in Greece:
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=886019
example in this case without any idea…
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo, I found the proceeding index interesting and I dwelt on the work of Nabeel Ahmad et al., Regarding the link between gravity and earthquakes, a concept that I have been developing for 10 years and that I am preparing to illustrate the outcome of my research at an upcoming Conference.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
I am happy that the attached file was useful... The selected writing by you. yes is interesting... I have read it superficially, it arisen some question in me without to have an logical response... But exist such an information which is conform with my vision (explanation)
The beginning Idea is present in my Booklet (Tényekkel igazolható a garvítáció valós oka- The gravity can be reasoned with fact published in 2009:
Article Tényekkel igazolható a gravitáció valós oka
I have it translation that is why I can quote it (attached File
I will quote the important part:
The work of Nabeel Ahmad et al. is not complete! IF you can contact with the Indonesian Earthquake observational centre... They are using lot of gravitometer for monitoring
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszolo,
Thank you for your reflection on the concept of vibration, associated with seismic events. I hope to be able to read the entire translation of the book.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
I have take a look onto the translation... It was made by an English teacher, but the special terms was translated wrongly... Lot of case the Google Translator gave back a better translation so the booklet's translation needs a good review.
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszo,
Please as soon as you have the translation I will be happy to read it. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino and Sandu,
I have corrected a bit the English translation made by English teacher of the article ‘Tényekkel igazolható a gravítáció valós oka’… I am dissatisfied with the result! So take it only informative, because to do it better needs more time… and professionally re-analysed: translated terms... language correction of the translation.
I hope that you will find it useful… If something cannot be understand quote it: and send me back… Any observation and critics is welcome you can remark at the official version here RG.
In time of editing the booklet layouter same made mistake : does not give number to the pages and to the bibliography
Regards,
Laszlo
P.S. The pictures are visible in the original version. Actually I do not know where can find photos of the original versions.
Exist essential mistake in the picture made by me and same exist mistake in the explanation of the tides, tectonic because I did not made a better examination of those works which are taught to the children-student !
Dear Laszlo,
The subject of gravity is also very important for my studies. I will read your paper carefully.
Thanks!
Dear All,
Yesterday I have got a post (response) in private (Gmail) From the retried Albanian Prof. ing Vedat Shehu,
He attached a file about his concept in connection to earthquakes (see it in the attached file)…
I think it is a good one because it containing some similar ideas of mine (what I have discovered in November 2018), but it does not have those principles which got in time of writing of the next article:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334615402_THE_'2019_Nankai_earthquake'
Which testing leads to some successful earthquake forecasting: place (area), time (time window: 24-48-72 hours short time EF, and one medial time EF…
Example onto the writing of Prof Ing. Vedat you can build a good earthquake forecasting if you have all principles of earthquakes!
Dear Valentino,
Thank you for the response, with my translated article, Prof. Ing. Vedat Shehu, Vyacheslav Nagorny's article, and of course your beautiful concepts can realize a lot in this area... Do not forget the time of realizing can be reduced lot if you make the right decisions and if you are able to move out your environment to the usual narrowed, fixed skeptical position...
In Indonesia have happened two strong earthquakes in the last few days
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=887257 *
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=886534 *
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=886533
... they history (pre-time of happening-after) have been getting a lot of data which can help those who have these data, and have good principles about this earthquake phenomenon
Regards,
Laszlo
P.S. * In these two earthquakes and perhaps at the case of the third earthquake have to be observed tsunamis concordant to the theory of gravity presented in translation sent yesterday (if has anyone information please sent me, because intuitionally I have made a correction today... In the case of the earthquake close to Alaska have been described tsunami (existed 'gravity waves')
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=880479
which confirm the mentioned gravity theory formulated in 2008 published in the first part of 2009:
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=880479
This because the coronavirus allows you to increase control over the population, the level of totalitarianism of society, and earthquake forecasts are not suitable for this purpose. In other words, the government doesn't really care about the population at all. It only supports projects that help the mu achieve its goals. everything else is done by propaganda
Dear Eugene,
Thank you for anoncement, You are welcome!
And congratulation to your EF modell, I have gotten such a conclushion that it is works very well.
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Valentino,
Before a few minutes I have made a look onto map of EMSC. (I have made a copy about the situation,... It seems that happening foreshock in the North of Italy... Does your instruments shows something.
I have a forecast (reduced 36 hours time window for an area) with earthquakes bigger than M: 3 minimum two... If your EF works well, you have to know if my forecast it works or not and you have to know the exact epicentre place... This time take this forecast like a pocker game! I hope that you have played pocker, that is why you know how is it works
Regards,
Laszlo
P.S... I hope that you have gotten what have you sent in private!
Dear Laszlo,
according to our tools, the areas potentially at risk are 3, one of these is the one you indicated. The time window is 5-6 days. In the last few days I have also seen increasing electricity, probably associated with tectonic stress.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Colleagues,
We are after the last EF made fore the zone (North Mediterania) it can be said successfully only with the next honest observation...
In the mentioned zone happened two earthquakes:
1. was equal with M: 3.0:
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=887424
This earthquakes happened in the imagined zone... but it happened in time of EF, (The probleme that the data published comes letter with approximate 2 hours later from the event)... When I did the EF the earthquakes were happened, only I do not have information about it)
2. Earthquakes bigger than M 3,0:
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=887635
This earthquakes time is correct, and its position same seems correct, but in time of EF I not considered to be so South, and the earthquake source seems that it is not in contact with the considered preshock in Alps.
Conclusion: the seismic's stress emptying was very small (without having data) so to make other note needs more data, but can be mentioned the next: with careful have to observed the data originating from this area...
Dear Valentino:
Does the discuted zone indicating increasing electricity?... What the GPS shows in the zone (ALPS) where the 'micro' earthquakes happened (example for the last zone). Have any information about the micro-medial gravity anomalies... Lot of thing have to be considered...
Only one thing 'all' physical phenomena containing the information what happening, what will happen in near future!
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
thanks to the Radio Direction Finding system and the triangulation techniques, three areas (Northern Italy) with potential seismic risk were identified last Thursday, confirmed in two cases (M2.7 and M3.1). We are waiting for the third. The time window is 5-6 days from the moment the EM signals are received.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
Good Job! Now I would like to ask you that your tools: Radio Direction Finding system how is it works: you are using in audio mode or using same time transformed in such a electric signals which can be observed onto an output system (example in a monitor)…
Dear All,
Actually I did not found information about the next event: tsunamis of the earthquakes: M 6.9 - SOUTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA Date time 2020-08-18 22:29:26.8 UTC; M 6.8 - SOUTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA - 2020-08-18 22:23:58 UTC… I have sent a post to the Indonesian seismic observational centre, but they did not sent response… This arrogant attitude from the researcher who working at the researcher centres shows that at they not always the resolving main problem of forecasting is important (example to resolve of tsunami forecasting, they have forgotten rapidly what effect has Boxing Day Tsunami in 26.12. 2004. Actually they do not have a real good answer why this tsunami…happened If happened an strong Earthquake, why it was not felt by the people on the beach?
In my work: The real cause of gravity exist a response to this question, but it is interesting that not always happens tsunami in case of big earthquake? A good response to this question is very important, because can help us to become better in the earthquakes, tsunamis, and other phenomenon connected to this event forecasting…
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
The RDF detection system transforms the EM signals into colorimetric signals on monitors that indicate the origin of the anomaly (epicenter) before an earthquake. The signals are then triangulated to identify the future epicentral zone.
Don't be discouraged, the culture of earthquake prediction is unfortunately still in the embryonic stages of Science.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
Thank you for response!
Because I do not have information about the 'tsunamis' of the west coast Sumatra earthquakes mentioned before... Perhaps asking you about RDF detection system signals... I will got such a information which help me to understand relation between earthquakes, short time gravity changing, tsunamis:
Did all case appear RDF detection system' EM signals before triggering earthquakes... (Did this signals be very sure connectable to the forecasted earthquakes... Did exist such a case when you did not have signals and happened earthquake... Have the mechanism how this EM signals form, what is their cause?...
Did you observed such a areas where this signals are more frequent than in other area?
When you referred before to: 'In the last few days I have also seen increasing electricity, probably associated with tectonic stress'... Did be observed in three areaa?
I have more question... example like did you have any idea how can it used for other purpose?
Did you have opportunity to compare with preseismic signals... ground seismic signals?
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
yes, the relationship between electricity and presisimic signals is superimposable in this case. Today there are interferences detected with the RDF System from Sumatra, but studies should be concentrated in that area in order to have more reliable data. We have extended the monitoring of the RDF System to many seismic areas of the world. On RG you can find some papers that illustrate this detection system.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
As I am understanding RDF monitoring Systems are positioned globally... Such a case I think that you can get any information about Sumatra tsunami: If there was a tsunami, If was how big was it?... Onto base of the next statement of your : ' oday there are interferences detected with the RDF System from Sumatra, but studies should be concentrated in that area in order to have more reliable data.' I think the earthquakes were followed by tsunami...
I have a look to the my EF made Friday evening... from it seems, that my empirically made forecast 'was successful' in case of
STRAIT OF GIBRALTAR:
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=887842
predicted time window...
Remark: I am using new empirical method... combined with my geological concept helped with the older empirical, method... That is why I do not know that I have luck, or really my model worked well!
Today early morning jogging (5 km, I had intuitional moment: gotten lot of good idea, but I did not write down, I do not have good research condition)
Did you ever thought that Did you think that RDF monitoring Systems can be used for exploration?
If you have
RDF monitoring Systems in Japan (Example East Coast of Honshu, please tell me when you have apparition of forecasting signals), Kyrill Islands, Kamchatka... In East China?
and same important that RDF monitoring Systems positioned in Romania, Vrancea zone?
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
The RDF system is not so widespread and monitoring stations are still few. The reception network could be improved by placing new monitoring rooms to have a global picture of interference. Different seismic zones can be analyzed, but efforts and research must be concentrated in that particular area. For example, we conducted earthquake monitoring in Japan for about a year, with self-funded research, and we found important data on EM frequency ranges. We submitted the study to a scientific journal and we hope to see it published. As they are very difficult topics to deal with. We are currently monitoring the Mexico area. Regarding the tsunamis, we had presented a poster to EGU Vienna, and if it is not in the list of my publications I will upload it to RG. For the other areas you asked me, we should focus our research for at least one year on that area only to detect reliable data.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
Thank you for your kind response...I have understood... Can be very well appreciated as you are you facing to the mainstream... I propose to locate installation in Romania, Vrancea zone... I do not know what kind of relationship you have with Chinese?
Yesterday I have found the next at: http://www.weather.gov.sg/learn_earthquakes/#seismo2
'Unpredictability of Earthquakes
Earthquakes cannot be predicted in the same way that weather is forecast, due to complexities in the earth’s crustal composition and how they respond to stress. Geoscientists are therefore unable to pinpoint the day and hour in which an earthquake will strike. Instead, they identify particular zones where the risk is high. Where high quality data are available, it is possible to estimate the likelihood of earthquake occurrence in a particular area over a period of years or decades. There is also no reliable precursor to earthquakes that can provide an early warning. It has been suggested that certain chemicals released during faulting, patterns of seismic activity, electromagnetic signals or even animal behaviour can signal the onset of an earthquake. However these have not proven to be robust. So far no reliable precursor to an earthquake has been found. Earthquake forecasting and prediction remains an active area of research.'
When I wanted to get information about the tsunami of 18.08.2020... I did not get anything... Such a case will write down a conclusion, and I cannot mention here, because is not well tested... Same that is mean that have to pay more attention to it... and advise to you the same pay attention to the mentioned fact in case of interpreting your Data if you have an RDF system such a zone where happened or not happened tsunami (example in case of Japan)...
Example today happened an earthquake in the next place:
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=888319
can be mentioned with it that (its position contradicts PT- subduction process... Such earthquakes are happening In Sicilia too...
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
Positioning a monitoring station in the Vrancea area would be really important for the seismic events, even destructive ones of past years. Furthermore, the strong earthquake in Vrancea was preceded by anomalous light signals in the atmosphere, a symptom of a random relationship between electromagnetic interaction and earthquakes. To place an instrument in the seismic zone of Vrancea it is necessary to agree on the organizer and who will contribute to the monitoring. It would be interesting to have the support of an Institution or University for a better RDF experimentation. Regarding your question, I have no relations with Chinese scientists, much less with Chinese authorities.
The RDF system has the potential to monitor vast seismic areas of the world, but to have a reliable result it is necessary to concentrate only on a specific area at this stage. For example, we are currently studying the area of New Madrid where a major fault is active. In the case of tsunamis, it is necessary to monitor a specific area, for example the island of Sumatra, and keep it monitored for several weeks to interpret the EM signals before making forecasts.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
You have written correct... The positioning and monitoring/ month of RDF station what is the price ( I think its not need special place )... I would like to look for financial supporters... Example in case Vrancea we can create a office for forecasting of Earthquakes in Vrancea...
With Chinese and Indonesian we have to find how to make connection with them... Only the best way is to go to the place and make demonstration...
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
Regarding the cost of the RDF system, I have to ask the manufacturers of the device that will have to be interfaced with a computer for data transmission to be included in a triangulation on an international scale. To locate the survey station it is sufficient to have a room and one or two people following the tracks and in contact with the other researchers. It would also be interesting to involve the Institutions in order to have an official research that is at the service of the community and of Science. The subject of earthquake prediction is delicate on several levels and in this case one could speak of crustal diagnosis. The results are currently very encouraging for the detection of pre-seismic candidate phenomena. Vrancea is undoubtedly a very interesting place to study and I am optimistic about the outcome of the project.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
I am read your last post and I got it well... I am happy that we are well understanding each other...
You have said it well: 'The subject of earthquake prediction is delicate on several levels and in this case, one could speak of crustal diagnosis'...
In the case of writing of the booklet and wanted to get data, I had used such a method... Your words, validity shows well that from that even from the Chinese Forecast Center I did not get a response... Another Idea if you want to place your system, can the same use: testing the possible gas... Cyprus, East Mediterranean zone ...
Regards,
Laszlo
The good news in the time of early jogging morning, when enjoying the sunrise has got another insight with in connection to the phenomena which has an influence on the earthquakes
Dear Laszlo,
The RDF System is aimed at the analysis of EM data and the development of the origin of the emission source, associated with an ongoing tectonic stress which can evolve into an earthquake. For the detection of gases, such as radon, it is necessary to set up other instruments for a multiparameter analysis.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
I have understood it. if we have data about ongoing tectonic stress, we can get healthy imagination about the direction of migration,... and so and so on example, the data gotten can be used by reservoir engineering too... I have mentioned this to show the multiutility of your device...
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
The RDF system is currently functional on the detection of electromagnetic signals which in the future may also be extended to meteorological phenomena. However, the presence of deposits has not yet been verified or even studied. This type of investigation could be activated in the future. Thank you for your suggestion.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
I am happy that could have any suggestion, but it have to be tested... Yesterday I have read your article... Article Luminous phenomena in the atmosphere: signs of uplift of the...
It seems very interesting, with lot of original observation... One thing, did you verified solar activity in time of such a phenomena... and same this question valabil in case of detection of electromagnetic signals...
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
The article you read was written ten years ago to discuss the importance of anomalous luminous phenomena in the atmosphere as a frontier of science. The Vrancea seismic zone is also a source of light phenomena, such as balls of light and other transient phenomena. I have associated the luminous phenomena studied in the area where I live, in a study of 2007 and available on RG, with pre-seismic signals. Vrancea's monitoring proposal, in a multi-parameter concept, could be enriched by the analysis of light phenomena with equipment that can be positioned in the same monitoring station. The instrumentation is unfortunately expensive, but I think it is worth starting an experiment of this type.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
I have something for you (see the attachments) gotten from:
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Discussion_closed-it_makes_no_sense...
My comment is connected to your last post: the important is the beginning of monitoring in the most cheaper condition… In the time of monitoring as the positive results come can invest more!...
Yesterday I have lost the present post, but after it had an intuitional moment:’
It would be nice to create a webpage to connect to your system in question: short describing of the device, the success achieved with it, and the current observation (monitoring with) it, place of monitoring, and possible earthquake forecast…
Dear all,
In the last three day we have five (2) interesting earthquakes events:
1. M 2.1 - NORTHERN ITALY - 2020-08-30 21:27:52 UTC: https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=889780 (positive result, without officially forecasted)
2. M 3.7 - ROMANIA - 2020-08-30 23:30:32 UTC: https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=889796 (My son didn't dare bet in chocolate, Sunday morning; without officially forecasted)
3. M 5.6 - KAMCHATKA PENINSULA, RUSSIA - 2020-09-01 00:51:16 UTC: https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=890047 (I have made an EF here before a few weeks ago, here, but the begging of forecasting time were positioned after 15 September… But this time has been changed between me and my Son’s bet the bet is mentioned my son give me 1 chocolate and I will give 10 chocolate depending on the condition of happening)
4. M 6.8 - ATACAMA, CHILE - 2020-09-01 04:09:30 UTC: (https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=890083 (before one day, two days of the event, in my thought appeared that in this zone have to happen Chile, Peru the event thought to happen soon… in this case, I do not have any uses analytical concept… So that shows well that my success perhaps needs more testing!)
5. The next earthquakes:
M 4.9 - HOKKAIDO, JAPAN REGION - 2020-09-02 10:35:44 UTC ( https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=890502 ); M 4.1 - KAMCHATKA PENINSULA, RUSSIA - 2020-09-02 07:26:41 (UTChttps://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=890491); This earthquake can be connected to a new method which was made the first time and did not make officially
Conclusion:
Actually, about my earthquakes forecasting methods used by me can be said… They need continue testing… should be better if somebody outsider does the testing (this last it cannot be done because I am a clothes seller, that is why the secret works as the clothes work in the shop!... If my methods are analytically correct, can be said that the majority of earthquakes can be very well forecasted... Actually seems that exists a minimum of two types of Earthquakes.
Regards, Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
The studies you sent me are very interesting and I didn't know them. The theme of resonance is undoubtedly a topic to be studied and taken into consideration for the interpretation of the earth's dynamics. I found the analysis of the frequencies that coincide with those we are finding for the presismic signals of great interest. I don't think there is a particular aspect among those that various researchers propose to explain the mechanism of earthquakes, but it is the same problem with many facets.
Regards,
valentino
Dear Valentino,
You have to know that I am an outsider in seismic science with poor knowledge … Today these two works have been read by me, superficially… and they looked to have a connection to your system…. I am happy these two works have!
Such a case can be sade that: the RDF System used by you can be used in earthquake forecasting very successfully and I think they are very valorous… Perhaps without a good knowledge of your system… I can contribute to their improvement on base my understanding.
Only one think… I would like to know if you observing your device success did not have such an impression like me that you are not so normal… For example at me observing the success of earthquake forecasting I do not want to believe that is possible!… My family saying about me (and sometimes I am filling the same) that I am abnormal…
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
in the research for seismic precursors we measure ourselves with innovation. Any attempt to move the goal of knowledge forward involves a scientific challenge and is often misunderstood by colleagues. Geology is often considered a historical science while the study of seismic precursors is a forecasting science. In words it is simple, but in reality it is a profound reflection.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
You have made an elegant remark!
I have read the next three sentences in the study (https://otexts.com/fpp3/what-can-be-forecast.html):
‘1- how well we understand the factors that contribute to it;
2- how much data is available;
3- whether the forecasts can affect the thing we are trying to forecast.’
The first point is decisive and that is why the geology cannot be considered historical science!
Yesterday I have made a correction of earthquakes forecasting of Lianne Brown in virtual public:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/271066776385699/?multi_permalinks=1688861524606210&comment_id=1690080251151004¬if_id=1599327367666535¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif
See the attached photo:
my correction:
‘The earthquake forecasting onto base of my source seems over exaggerated. Without an well-made analysation, seems that will happen earthquakes but under: M4.0 plus-minus 0.3( in North NZ. and same in South NZ.) The earthquakes possibility in the forecasted time window is bigger...’
‘Lianne Brown we see after it... I am also able to make EF... Your observation seems correct, actually I do not know situation in the South Hemisphere... Only I have verified my modell... There soon have to happen an Earthquake ore Earthquakes near of M: 4... and if your your assumption is good will be bigger... I am not at laptop to verify another precursor, so let's wait...🙂’
‘Lianne Brown Your logics have been good only you used it 'perhaps' with mistakes, actually I am not sure I do not have opportunity to verify it onto base of my logic... I have made another examination the forecasting time window can be redused to be 33%’
So the EF was successful:
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=890474
Conclushion: ?
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
The methods for geophysical investigation and for the research for seismic precursors are expanding day by day. The earthquake is not caused by a single mechanism, but is determined by numerous variables that have yet to be understood in their entirety by researchers. it would be interesting if there was a synergy on an international scale for the development of studies on seismic precursors, but to date I believe it is still premature, unfortunately.
Thank you for your appreciation.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Laszlo,
a recurring problem in the analysis of seismic precursors, in addition to the determination of the future epicentral zone, is an estimate of the energy associated with the magnitude scale. In the Radio Direction Finding System we have associated certain frequencies with the potential estimate of the magnidute. In your case, what are the parameters used?
Thanks in advance,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
First post:
When you doing your testing-result examination. If you are sure in your using method and tools, when appears errors every time you have to try to find the response to the next question: why?... I will give another literature for you in connection to the earthquake’s mechanism:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235741761_Self-Organized_Criticality/stats
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/1749616_Self-Organized_Criticality_and_earthquakes
In this works is only present one features of the cause… Without have knowledge of this theory in 2018 I have discovered this phenomenon intuitionally… only in simple form. The information about this term I have gotten from Vjacheslav Nagorny… In the course of last 38 years of responding to the questions…
The responses come with discovering of planet-erosion process:
http://planeterosion.blogspot.com/ (without English correction)
Second post:
I did not used parameters: I used previous information provided by EMSC, and only subjective estimate onto it base… If my method is connected to instrumentally parameters… I think that can get very accurate result… Already this insight appeared in Nov.2018… after getting something similar with Self-organized criticality’ concept.
Regards.
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
You have expressed an important concept, namely that of self-organized analysis. A procedure that could open new clues for research. As regards the measurement error theory, this is a problem that we have not posed for the analysis of EM waves, while for graviatational measurements we have instruments that are accurate to the seventh decimal place. I believe that at this stage it is more significant to consider the variation of the data than the errors. Yours is still a good argument. Thank you.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
If you can somewhat to measure the amount of energy (density) of the radio signals as it is in case of TEC. you will be closer to the problem resolution (Same you have to explain how the radio signals are created… Before few days I have given two articles from Mensur Omerbashich… if the signals are compatible with his signals such a case yes…
Do not respond to this situation, you know well why…
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo, a few days ago I submitted a study to a scientific journal where I graphically show a close link between the type of signal and the magnitude scale.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Laszlo,
I thought back to your previous observation about measurement error. I believe it is not a question, at least in this phase, of discriminating the precision of the instruments but instead the possible nature of the EM signals and what unites them in the different seismic contexts.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear All
My understanding the earthquake is result of earth nature of development, by sending heavier element to the center, and push lighter element up through volcanoes. These two must have strong relation, thus, for prediction of earthquake we must have enough database of both and connect them together.
Article Quantum Mechanics Earthquake
regards
Dear All,
The relationship between earthquakes and volcanoes, if we exclude the mechanisms already described by the theory of Plate Tectonics, can have meanings linked to the subatomic interaction. Recent studies have shown an interesting link between solar wind and volcanic eruptions and similarly there are published studies that also link earthquakes. It is also necessary to distinguish the various types of earthquakes: in this case they are tectonic ones.
Regards,
valentino
Dear Javad Fardaei,
thank you for your appreciation. It is commonly believed that disastrous situations are needed to generate major events, such as extinctions. Certainly a meteorite causes devastating effects, but it is equally true that a small shift from the equilibrium point is enough to generate large effects. In the context just mentioned, there is also an ecological crisis. For earthquakes it could be the same thing, naturally at the hypothesis level, caused for example by the variation of entropy, in compliance with the laws of Thermodynamics.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino Straser,
My observation onto your last four posts: 1st -2nd nothing to mention… 3rd only the solar wind effect can be supposed to have any important effect: only such a case if you are able to demonstrate it’s macroscopically mechanical effect… 4th totally agree with it... I have a theory no-published with this situation: you can read my last comment at the next question: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_you_explain_what_happened_to_this_rock
Dear Javad Fardaei,
Excuse for opposing to your concept!
The geochemical theory from you start onto the base of my opinion seems erroneous... You are welcome to read the next my article: Planet erosion, which it writing I have abandoned a lot of mainstream concepts: http://planeterosion.blogspot.com/
The translation was made by me and I did not have an English corrector that is why not present here:...
Remark:
1. In connection, the Phobos and Deimos view come to the older (1997 Volt-e élet Marson?-'Was there life on Mars?)... In the mentioned article was accepted that these two Moon (celestial, rocky bodies) erupted from Mars.
2. The theory of Thomas Van Flandern: The Exploded Planet Hypothesis 2000 (https://archive.vn/TVgvU#selection-413.0-413.35)
3. The gravity theory did not be mentioned in the article!
4. Did not be mentioned the next strong prove:’ the asteroids of inner asteroids belt were formed only in rocky-planet surface condition (their mineral- lithological ífeatures are the same which are on the surface of rocky planets
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
I had presented the relationship between solar wind and major geophysical events in 2014 in Moscow at the Institute of Space Research and I also published some studies on RG. Recently a very prestigious magazine such as Nature also published an article on this topic. From the scientific point of view we can say, in a rigorous way, that these are elements of coincidence, but they are much more than mere coincidence.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear All,
I would like to ask you: do you can read the next article :
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228832129_FORECASTING_OF_EARTHQUAKES_THE_REASONS_OF_FAILURES_AND_THE_NEW_PHILOSOPHY
The answer is important because the article was openable yesterday.
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Valentino,
I did not reject the solar wind effect in the case of earthquakes... I do not have the opportunity to see what the instruments show. I'm just looking at it with a critical eye. Needs more convincing arguments, such an effect that can be measured with instrumentally and can be connected to the solar activity ...
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
in the recent months we have been trying to build and then test a new tool to be used for this experimentation. Proton density data is currently available on the web but unfortunately you have to rely on others without having the most recent data. Thanks for your suggestion.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino.
The whole earthquake is coming from thermodynamic interaction. Atom is the smallest complete unit of the universe that take the heat and convert to motion (electron excitement ) As the atom gets heavier this excitement is less, and sink more to center of the earth. With due all respect to all scientists, our perception of atom, and electromagnetism is totally is incorrect.
ATOMS ARE SMART, and EARTH IS SMART.
regards
Dear Javad Fardaei,
I got to like your paper about the "intelligence" of the atom. The next challenge is to find the "code" to interpret the mechanism of geophysical events. Have you considered the interaction of neutrinos in this regard?
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino
I am working on paper "Hydrogen Journey" for one magazine, and it will be in RG in two weeks, as well. When we consider atom as smallest intelligent entity, then we must take whole atom as one unit for our research, not be its elements. Over 99.99% of each atom is occupies by "Space", therefore space of universe is not just holder or container, it must recognized as substance. therefore hadron of each atom is the center intelligent of this massive organization in a tiny body. Everything in the universe has origination from it, such as all force, energy, intangible information and creation.
Regards
Dear Javad Fardaei,
I am very curious to know the role you attribute to Hydrogen within the theory you propose. Your hypothesis is from my point of view very interesting. I recently read about the concept of the ether in the early 1900s and its cosmological implications, which could have points of contact with your studies. Only after reading your new paper will I be able to make comparisons, if there are any, and then discuss them together.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino
To my knowledge nothing in the universe is working mechanically, when an atom smartly exchange thermodynamic to motion, and create interaction with other atom.
The perception of earlier 1900s, everything is based on classical physics and mechanics atom, and Einstein mass/energy concept. Einstein mechanical vision accepted by high end scientists, not to mention last four centuries all the science are seeming (connected) together and all are following by majority of high educated scientists. It is hard for them to beak away from this traditional concept.
My vision is breaking this chain and going to new way of looking things. to me everything must have origination based on the building block of universe, QM foundation .
modern classic physics can not be unify with QM foundation which all the mainstream are trying to do so, like CERN is trying to find way to merge these two for 3 decades, but their progression has be stopped two decades ago, but still they have hope to do so.
Hydrogen is the ancestor of all the chemical element. All the hydrogen is share 99.99% of the same thing, because science can not make any elements on periodic table 100%. like gold, silver purity is 99.99% because of original Hydrogen.
Space of universe is a functioning element.
The universe is a complete entity. to hold all its elements.
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regards,
Dear Javad,
I believe you are right. I had not yet thought of a synthesis as you proposed regarding Hydrogen, which could be considered "a unit" of chemical species, a sort of submultiple of matter. Congratulations on the good insight.
Regards,
Valentino
Thanks for your encouragement, and congratulation that you are thinking out the box. The sun never stay behind the cloud for ever.
regards
Dear Javad,
I am well aware of the value and the difficulty of proposing new concepts in the scientific field, which are often hindered. To move forward the goal of knowledge one must be free and autonomous, to achieve them, as Pincarè recalls, one must join forces. In our case we are stuck at the first stage. Unfortunately.
Thanks.
Dear All.
Here in 18 August 2020 I have made the next EF with an large forecasting time window in time of response to researcher Oswell Namasasu:
'Here is an earthquake forecasting to the (Japan, Kamchatka) only in great approach, because I do not have the required data, and opportunity for testing...
After the second part of September ( between October- December) there is a strong possibility of big Earthquakes (Japan, Kuril Islands, and Kamchatka… The biggest Earthquakes will happen in Japan and the Kuril Islands (they have the possibility to be bigger than M7 East Coast of Japan: Honshu, Hokkaido, SHIKOKU, etc, …; Bonin Islands … Exist the same possibility of bigger Earthquakes in other places in East Asia but I will try to forecast them.
As time will come I will try to correct this forecasting (short-time forecasting)
If the semi-long time earthquakes forecasting is good... with the short time earthquake -forecasting can be determined well the position and the real-time of earthquake events.'
In time of forecasting I betted with my son in a chocolate (1:1). The bet was changed approximately one week later in the interval of time (actual-December) with another condition (10:1; I have to give him 1 chocolate if my forecasting won't work, if it works he will give me only 1.)
Today happened the next earthquake in Japan:
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=901879 ( In Japan the predicted seismic period time have begun)
The time has come to make another change: extend the forecast area window (South Asia-until Mediterana) of the time window until March) In the mentioned place we will have more earthquakes with M: 5.5. and minimum 3 bigger than M:6... and minimum 1 bigger than M:7)...
This case I invite: Prof. Dr. E.N. Khalilov President of World Organisation for Scientific Cooperation (with ATROPATENA); the scientist from the Institute of Earthquake Forecasting (IEF) of the China Earthquake Administration (CEA); and other forecasting researchers from the forecasting Area (Iran, Nepal, India, Turkish Greece, Italy) to try to determine the areas of the events (to an geologically (seismically) well delimitable unit) and reducing of forecasting time window under short forecasting time window (few days), semi ultra show forecasting time window (few hours) and strongly ultrashort time (few 5 minutes) and makevailable for wide masses their earthquake forecasting (predicting) results for outsider researchers too... Onto base of actual technology and monitoring conditionI think that it is possible. (Exist some exception but in their case the biological, seismical precursors works well)
Regards,
Laszlo
P.S.
Last week I made a no-publical EF for my ex-wife for the area Fiji without success... The first problem was that I did not show attention to the next fact that at EMSC the areas of earthquakes are not delimited geologically (seismically)... I have forecasted two events one of them happened with few hours (10) later and 'outside' from predicted zone ( https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=901273) Interesting thing: that the area of earthquakes is totally wrong mentioned by EMSC!
I think this is because science officials have no idea that RG exists. In addition, billions of dollars have already been allocated to fight the virus, which are being successfully mastered by pharmaceutical companies. And who to allocate dollars in the case of earthquakes is not clear. Who will master them? Who!
Dear Eugene,
Thank you for the response
Sadly inform you that before the last post I have made another post where I have mentioned your Time and area of forecasting windows, but the writing has lost because of an electric break... I am sure that you know the situation well... Regards, Laszlo
The question of earthquake prediction remains an extremely sensitive issue today. Just think about what would happen to evacuate patients from a hospital, perhaps serious, in the event of a wrong forecast. To tackle the problem of applying a forecast, the contribution of science is not enough, it is necessary to create synergies with politics and law enforcement. Only in this way can responsible and important decisions be made.
Dear Javad,
I can only relate my direct experience. Several of my studies are also available on RG and the best windows evaluated by the Radio Emission Project range from 28 hours to 112 hours. The study we have just completed takes into account 121 seismic zones on a global scale and each one is characterized by specific time windows. We hope it will be accepted and published soon.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Javad Fardaei,
Only opinion (I am outsider from the plenum without instrument and monitoring system):
'Few minutes before the earthquakes, but not always, deppens of the distance of hypocentre... and the type of earthquke.' (?)
Regards
Laszlo
'The question of earthquake prediction remains an extremely sensitive issue today '-
I never forgot the event happened in 26 December 2004.Boxing Day Tsunami
Regards,
Laszlo
To complete the previous post...
Neither I nor Eugene wrote about the 'hospital evacuation'... We have mentioned our complaint about how the seismic forecasting is made, nowaday by officials...
Our posts is related to the topic of the discussion... The question of Occam's razor: Why was mentioned the next: 'what would happen to evacuate patients from a hospital, perhaps serious, in the event of a wrong forecast.'? when in discussion we can find such a sugestion?... What do you sing about this an wisdom chinese clothes seller woman? Why was mentioned?
There We did not mention the discrimination that also prevails in this area... The observable a separate caste system in this area...
Actually only I have observed earthquakes forecasting example from:
Vjacheslav Nagorny; Ilie Sandu ; Алексей Арсеньев; Natalia Cherednychenko ;
Sergey Shcherbina;
But example others have lot of good works but did not make a demonstration... You are welcome to demonstrate this with such a example when do not need '
to evacuate patients from a hospitals' example in case of Taiwan region, East of China...Vrancea Zone (Romania) Po area of Italy,,Gibrartar Zone...(You have easy labor, you have acces to the data of the monitoring labs!)
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear All,
I wanted to give just one example to talk about the complexity of the prediction problem and its possible application to save lives. I'm sorry if I have created confusion, but mine is just a reminder of the sense of responsibility in dealing with such an important problem. From my point of view there is no skepticism or controversy about it and I too continue with my studies to get closer to the goal of earthquake prediction. As you will recall, the most striking example of a good prediction is that of Heicheng in 1975 where thousands of people were saved from a devastating earthquake. Other examples, unfortunately in the other sense, concern two Italian events, in 1985 that an erroneous forecast led to the resignation of leading figures in the Italian political and scientific world and the delicate event of the L'Aquila earthquake in 2009 where exponents of the geophysics and Italian institutions. For 13 years I have been carrying out, as if it were a mission, the possibility of predicting earthquakes. Up to now the successes have been many and thanks to technology we can still improve. An example is the RDF system, which we are experimenting with and allows us to identify with good reliability the direction of the epicentral area and a time window within 5 hours of the shock, unlike the 28 hours of the Method I mentioned previously.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
It is very good to observe the strong efforts of yours to realize a good earthquake forecasting mondial system... Perhaps we have misunderstood each other so I apologize for using a very formal tone... Exist a good possibility of increasing approximation to the solution of earthquake forecasting if you use your method of earthquake forecasting and Vjacheslav Nagorny uses his method of forecasting (I cannot be present in this work, because I do not have opportunity to work with all capacity, the reasons is well known). First, I have to ask him about this noble opportunity... As I know he needs the next data: waveform records (time trends) , recorded with the RDF system ... Same attachment of the telluric current's data (waveform recorded) that is my own suggestion (opinion) for as long a time interval as possible...
Regards,
Laszlo
Thank you all.
I live south of California, everyday we have 10s of small one. God help us.
regards
Dear Laszlo,
the prediction of earthquakes is not a simple thing and unfortunately not even shared by many researchers. I appreciated your opinion and also the suggestion to study the waveforms that we have not paid enough attention to today. Thank you.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
Yes, you have right; you have a lot of experience in this dominium…
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
the study we have carried out to date concerns the analysis of the values of the frequencies that are characteristic for certain seismic events. It would be interesting for us to know the studies of prof. Vjacheslav Nagorny to see how to apply to the data in our possession, that is to the Radio Emission Project Team.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
His metode (work) present here in Researchgate:
https://www.researchgate.net/project/Prediction-of-rare-events-and-phenomena
Example in the next article:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329809806_PREDICTION_OF_RARE_EVENTS_AND_PHENOMENA
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329092541_FORECASTING_RARE_EVENTS_AND_PHENOMENA
I wanted to write an article, but only a preprint was able to make before the Nanhai Earthquake 2019:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334615402_THE_%272019_Nankai_earthquake%27
Only last year december after making some successful earthquakes forecasting I realised that his earthquake prediction , if we change in earthquake forecasting was successful, with a good organisation he could had avoided appearances that that he had failed:
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=782356
Today I will give more argument
So: It would be nice if he could get the data asked from me, such a case is able to test his method, in this case, as well and report this in a publication in which you would also participate as a co-author… A lot of time could be gained this way because he has experience in this. . Everyone would be winner such a resolution.
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear All,
As you observe a very large scale made EF (Time and Place) works and actually is under testing, and the events are happening as have gotten intuitionally:
'After the second part of September ( between October- December), there is a strong possibility of big Earthquakes (Japan, Kuril Islands, and Kamchatka… ˙(...) '
https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=902667
It seems that I have won the chocolate from my son
Regards Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
seismicity on a global scale has increased in this period and also according to our estimates there should be a further increase by December, as well as the awakening of volcanic activity. Regarding the seismic areas you mentioned, monitoring must be activated to have a more reliable estimate.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear All,
Before few days ago I have extended forecasting area (Between them were mentioned Nepal… So the forecasting were made well In the Newspaper
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/nepal-wakes-up-to-6-0-magnitude-earthquake-no-damage-reported/story-xvmRJXCxxklwdPXFUuUm3I.html?fbclid=IwAR3FusM-9VRNwQbYV8iQwr_lAebECp_PvungW6i-TkJho260-qIK7vFOaP0
is written the next:’ “It is a continued aftershock of 2015’s earthquake,” Chief Seismologist of NSC Lok Bijay Adhikari confirmed to ANI over the phone.” But this announcement from a chief seismologist was made in hurry… Valentino said correct: ‘seismicity on a global scale has increased in this period and also according to our estimates there should be a further increase by December, as well as the awakening of volcanic activity. Regarding the seismic areas you mentioned, monitoring must be activated to have a more reliable estimate.’
Before few days I have forgotten Afghanistan (Pakistan) too and the countries onto east border of China but it is present in the ((South Asia-until Mediterranean) …
In the shop have the seasonal changing of clothes for this I cannot to pay attention to the seismic vents in ASIA.
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszolo,
Thanks for the news. We are developing a new prototype based on RDF experience that will help us to verify the reliability of the forecasts with a time window of two days before the earthquake or at least this is the goal to be achieved. If the tool proves to be valid, I think it is worth reflecting on the establishment of an international survey network for interdisciplinary experimentation. It would be a little dream come true.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
I am happy that you sent good news, Can you attach some some details?...
A follower of mine asked me about the next post which you have written before: ' I am well aware of the value and the difficulty of proposing new concepts in the scientific field, which are often hindered. To move forward the goal of knowledge one must be free and autonomous, to achieve them, as Pincarè recalls, one must join forces. In our case we are stuck at the first stage. Unfortunately.' You have written before a few days ago to Javad Fardaei ...
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
first of all, I got Poincarè's name wrong. The concept is to be free to create and united to act. To act requires the support of institutions to form teams and obtain funding. In my case I am still at the first stage since I have no institutional and economic support to start research projects of a certain importance.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Laszlo,
Regarding what I had previously communicated, I would like to reiterate the seismic risk and the awakening of volcanic activity in the coming months. My belief is based on a study that I had presented in Vienna with Michele Casati regarding the VEI eruptions greater than or equal to 5 in correspondence with solar minimums or maximums. The announcement by NASA of the aviation of a new cycle is in recent days. The abstract of the poster is also on RG.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
Thanks for the before made comments... For example, I have been understanding you better... You have an advantage you are work in a team and you have monitored data and time for decision... That is why I can consider that you have a better vision of earthquakes... actually here no-one made here at ResearchGate EF
(place (area), time, , magnitude; only Vyacheslav Nagorny) others make only forecasting time window and magnitude (Ilie Sandu, Sergey Shcherbina Ilie Sandu ) I have made EF, with an approximate M bigger 6 it can be bigger than M7... in a continental environment (time window actual -November)
Regards,
Laszlo
Excuse me I have forgotten mention the great curves of Eugene Veniaminovich Lutsenko
Dear Laszlo,
We could think of simulating a synergy between us and then propose ourselves for an institutional project.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Laszlo,
Thank you for your prompt observation and recommendation. Which seismic zone would you prefer to consider for a joint forecast?
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
Thank you for the two important posts... and excuse me for the little delay. I did not have time and in addition I waited for Vyacheslav Nagorny answer... I do not have any preference only those zones where your installations are positioned and the same Vyacheslav wants. Do you have instruments positioned In Japan near next to an available seismic station... Or In Italy: Sicily... Or positioning a monitoring station in zone Vrancea (Romania) close to a seismic observation station... actually that is my opinion please wait for the Vyacheslav's opinion…
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
waiting for the response, among the areas you have indicated for monitoring, that of Western Sicily is one of the candidates with potential short-term seismic risk.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
from my view is Ok. Is close to Palermo?
The area is very comfortable for the RDF experience! but same time is hard for a seismologist to make forcasting, but is no problem,
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
Yes, the potentially seismic risk area is that of the coast of Palermo and the Strait of Sicily. Could you check if there is overlapping data? Thanks.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
Actually, I do not have anything… I need to study it… as I told you I am working with intuition in the time of examination seismic data gotten from Emsc… which is not enough for a good short time earthquake forecasting under a 2 day forecasting window… Intuitively in time of looking onto geographical map and studied the are first wake up attention the channel which before I did not observed and the island of Pantelleria (which is on west part of channel Strait of Sicily)
… Another interesting thing is that big accumulation of offshore hydrocarbons may exist (or could exist if they were not extracted) … I have a no tested concept of how to explore such areas before the drilling… A nearby zone of the surrounding area led me to form a new concept about the Earth with which it can give alternative explanations near the plate tectonic theory… Please analyse the before said about the hydrocarbon and confirm that my intuitional description was correct or not… I did not read about this territory anything. In general, the gas and oil exploration exploitation is made silence… Another think that some reserves are present in rocks with volcanic origin.
In Hungary in a 30-40 km distance from my place to the East (near the Rumanian border) discovered an oil field, by a company from the Netherlands and I got information from a clothes buyer… (rest auto censored)
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Valentino.
(Continue to the previous post)
Afternoon happened an earthquake in the zone: https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=903817
approximate at 35 km to North of the Messina… Messina, Reggio Calabria have a very dangerous position. I do not know anything about the Volcanic cone nearby East of Reggio Calabria. What is its name, how active is it? (I think his activity it had (has) similar activity like Etna)
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear Laszlo,
Last night the earthquake of magnitude 3.5 with coordinates 18-09-2020 23:52:35 (UTC +02: 00) took place which followed the RDF surveys.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
Thank you for the post... take a look into the last three earthquakes:
MagnitudeML 2.3RegionSICILY, ITALYDate time2020-09-20 03:00:58.8 UTCLocation38.60 N ; 15.49 EDepth176 km
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MagnitudeML 2.6RegionSICILY, ITALYDate time2020-09-19 16:40:21.0 UTCLocation38.69 N ; 15.37 EDepth208 km
--- MagnitudeML 3.5RegionSICILY, ITALYDate time2020-09-18 21:52:35.2 UTCLocation37.29 N ; 12.04 EDepth223 km,
The first two is connected to a same structure
The third is connected to another structure,
Regards,
Laszlo
Dear laszlo,
crustal stress conditions are promptly detected by the RDF system, but to understand whether they are earthquakes precursors of other events, a specific seismic area must be carefully studied. In the next two days we will have the answer.
Regards,
Valentino
Dear Valentino,
I have gotten responses from Vyacheslav. He has right without any catchable data cannot to do forecasting… He wrote me the next query: ‘graphs of the change over time of the parameter’ that you use for the forecast. If you wantt to send him I will send his emailadress to you.
Actually, me I do not have anything, in geology I have learnt that to have something, you have to collect to look for every information which has any suggestion such a data it is described in history of Sicily, and EMSC… I hope that your assumption will lead to success.
I want to correct yesterday writing: the mentioned area has (had) important natural gas accumulation… with the analogy I know where have a big accumulations hydrocarbon the nearby North African countries.
Regards,
Laszlo