"so that nobody can take advantage of it" would always be the problem...

Sim. Se pensarmos o Estado como o conjunto da sociedade, incluindo indivíduos e instituições como parte desse conjunto (mas segundo a teoria dos conjuntos), então temos que levar em consideração que nenhuma dessas partes pode representar o conjunto (a sociedade). Nem um grupo de indivíduos, de poder (judiciário, executivo ou legislativo) ou corporativo pode representar a sociedade, já que ela será é maior que suas partes, enquanto a soma delas sempre será maior que a própria sociedade. Ou seja, só uma democracia total e de fluxo contínuo (a constante aceitação da maioria sobre as demandas correntes) poderá responder pelo conjunto do estado da situação social.

Hi Antonius and Marcos,

Antonius, what I mean is modern societies should be governed by a democratic system in which all decisions are decided by all citizens, not by individual leaders. Just make sure, as an author said, no ones are more equal than others. To be honest, I am sick of politicians of any kind nowadays.

Marcos, could you please translate it into English. Can I use Google to do it?

Kind regards,

Vu

The known democratic systems are representative ones because it is nearly impossible to build a system in which all decisions are decided by all citizens. Maybe that countries like Switzerland are a bit more democratic because many decisions are submitted to vote by the people. The soviet Union also tried to establish a system in which people, i.e. in this case workers and soldiers come together in council groups called soviet. I don't know if this was a good system. Perhaps it was and perhaps this was the reason why Stalin cancelled ist. One may also think of the Munich Räterepublik created in 1919. "Räte" means "advisors". It did not last a long time.

Dear Antonius,

It is possible to build the ultimate democratic system without politicians because all decisions can be decided by all citizens by using modern technologies. I would need only a few seconds to reply to you, wouldn't I?

Vu

From a technical point of view I agree. But we should not forget that Ministers are surrounded by specialists who help them make decisions taking into account legislation, economic, sociological, technical and administrative factors that many citizens are not aware of (which explains why they may vote against their own interests).

Unfortunately, here the question you have raised comes up again.

Dear Antonius,

Most social systems should remain the same, which are administrated by officials with the helps of experts in each field, as you said. But these officials are not politicians who normally have the rights and powers to decide the fate of a country in which citizens have no voice until the next election day, and this would be too late for emergent circumstances that may surface unexpectedly.

With modern technologies, people can be made aware of anything instantly, and they can decide right away what they want to do with their life.

Vu

El problema de una sociedad sin políticos, es que todos seríamos políticos, lo importante es poner excelentes controles a los políticos. Al menos en lo personal creo en la división en tres poderes independientes, no se debe permitir el exceso de burocracia, para lo cual debería existir una ente independiente de los tres poderes que haga las contrataciones del personal idóneo, que cada poder necesita y que no sean los mismo poderes que hagan sus contrataciones en forma independiente. Actualmente al realizar cada uno sus contrataciones contratan a sus partidarios y amigo y eso es parte de la corrupción

Are people able to take in account e.g. the cost of the implementation of a decision? Who formulates the questions that are put to the people? Who controls if the formulation of the question is neutral? Again the people...? I fear we are going in circles...

Las democracias verdadera tienen el sistema de consulta que se llama plebiscito, Es el mecanismo por el cual se realiza una consulta al pueblo, pero el mayor problema de las democracias es desidia de la participación popular, lo conveniente es hacer conciencia que el pueblo somos todos y como tal todos debemos de participar ya sea apoyando o desaprobando los proyecto a través de organizaciones populares o en forma individual.

Antonius: Officials of social systems would administrate and implement, and committees of experts of social systems would formulate whatever required for governing. For the neutral question I think all we need is to learn how the recent soccer world cup was played out.

Nilo: I wish I could learn all EU languages. Spanish isn't it?

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Hi Nilo,

Your English is so fluent as you have shown it on the other question of mine. Could you please do the same here so I can understand and learn what you want to talk about.

Vu

We are all politicians, those of us who participate in the welfare of the state or country. Therefore, politicians cannot be eliminated, but state corruption can be eliminated through education from childhood. That is something that should be taught in the family nucleus.

Nilo,

Current politicians are in a hierarchy way higher than normal citizens. They are elected and therefore given the rights and powers to govern and decide what should be done and what they think best for the country by themselves.

We are all politicians only when we can establish a democratic system in which we all decide what to do with our country, not only by a few people who we call politicians in the current system.

Dear friend, the political term comes from the Greek from the Greek root "poli" which means state or city, police vigilante of the state, politician is one who works for society. From this point of view we are all politicians. In another order of things, the current rulers are being chosen for their economic capital and not for their capacity, something that has deteriorated democracy. This is part of the corruption of these times.

Hi Nilo,

Thanks for your interpretation of the term. But politicians work for societies in privileged positions that only they can decide what to do. We don't expect them to make all the right decisions, in particular in war times, and how dangerous that would be when one decision could ruin the whole country.

Vu.

The word politicians is meaningless nower days. Actually they are the one who messed-up with all good planed system in the society. We have witness whenever they were involved due to their personal interest thinks cops or not move anywhere!! So for that selfishness behaviour I opt the the I dear of our colleague Vu B Ho that all decisions made by people.

Hi Abdulrahim,

Political systems are becoming unnecessary in our modern societies since there are no needs for people to represent us when we all can make decisions instantly with modern technologies to deal with from local issues to issues that involve the whole country, even the whole world.

Without politicians, the whole will become one sooner. We will get there.

Vu.