I’m looking for literature/advice regarding how to implement a bird survey (abundance/density estimation) in areas/habitats with dense vegetation and rough terrain, like tropical rain forest. It seems to me, that point-counts are the method that best fits such conditions. However, what kind of sampling designs should I implement in order to meet the statistical requirements? That is, in very mountainous areas locating the points randomly or systematically (neither there is apperent stratification) seems almost impossible because of the logistical difficulties of accessing and locating the selected sites. The only viable alternative seems to be to follow trails already present in the area and to locate the plots (with a first random point) along the paths, every 250 m or so. Additionally, I think that some points can be located at both sides of the trails (walking 250 m on either side of the trails may be feasible at some points). However, this “design” seems to violate the assumption of randomness in selecting the sample units. Any comments or suggestion of alternative design will be welcomed.