Dear Abderrazak:

The first one looks like a Lamiaceae, probably Phlomis or Salvia

The second one is probably Verbascum of the Scrophulariaceae

Need flower to confirm.

Best regards

José Gabriel

Hi! I agree that Verbascum is very likely. The first photo is rather Phlomis than Salvia. Phlomis crinita seems to be a good guess, based on the shape of the basal leaves.

The Image 1 seems of Phlomis italica of family Lamiaceae 

Thnak you for Drs  José Gabriel Segarra-Moragues,  Franz Starlinger, Arvind Singh.

plant 1 = Phlomis italica  

but plant 2  = ?

Plant 2 seems Verbascum virgatum Stokes of  family Scrophulariaceae

Dear Abderrazak El Alami!

According to World Checklist of Selected Plant Families (http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/advsearch.do ), there are five species of Phlomis in Morocco: Phlomis antiatlantica, P. bovei, P. crinita, P. herba-venti, and P. purpurea. However, Phlomis italica is an endemic species of the Balearic Islands (Spain) and does not occur in Morocco.

Also Verbascum virgatum does not occur in Morocco - see http://ww2.bgbm.org/EuroPlusMed/PTaxonDetail.asp?NameId=33376&PTRefFk=7200000

Is it possible to wait for flowers? Based only on leaves, a reliable identification is nearly impossible.

Regards

Franz Starlinger

Dear Franz Starlinger

I agree with you on bibliography.

but this picture is far from P. crinita (1 plant has heart-shaped leaves, unlike P. crinita has oval leaves). in addition the appearance of the plant is different in both. 4 other species of plante1.

Phlomis italica also seems too different.

je chercherai la plante 1 et prendre d'autres photos.

c'est plante trés rare dans les montagnes de l'Atlas d'Azilal où je vis.

The distribution range of Verbascum virgatus include Morocco also. Please check the pdf attachment.

Please find attached herewith a picture of Verbascum virgatum which is very much similar  to picture posted by Alami.

Dear Dr  Arvind Singh

yes Verbascum virgatum occur in Morocco and is familiar in my region (moutains of Atlas of Azilal), i photograph it in 2015 (show photo). but is not the same plant in photo 2. in addition Verbascum virgatum and the plant 2 are different local names in this region and the caracters of  leaves and aspect of the aerial part are different.

i will, photograph it in this week end because is the time of flowers.

thank you

Dear Abderrazak El Alami,

Also according to African Plants Database, Verbascum virgatum does not occur in Morocco - see http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/bd/cjb/africa/details.php?id=93052 . However, according to the same source, Northern African (Algerian) authors have used this name for a different species, Verbascum blattaria - http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/bd/cjb/africa/details.php?id=93054 . I suppose, your "Verbascum virgatum" acutally is Verbascum blattaria. Anyway, Verbascum is an extremly difficult genus, especially in the eastern Mediterranean. Based on basal leaves only, a lot of these species look almost the same.

Please, compare also the following Catalogue des plantes du Maroc: http://bibdigital.rjb.csic.es/spa/Libro.php?Libro=4268&Pagina=115 . However, it seems to be outdated a bit, nevertheless helpful.

Regards

Franz Starlinger

The second plant possibly is Verbascum sinuatum, which should be a common plant in Morocco. However, I did not check all names recorded for Morocco. So, the identification is not final.

Dear  Franz Starlinger

I will collected samples this week and examine it...I will send to you photos..

I can use the keys of determination as in the attached file for determining the species.

and Dr. vrappelez you that my specialty is behavioral ecology and worked on Macaca and other mammals.

but I am also attracted to the flora. I am about to finish a 350 page book on herbal medicine in my area.

Sorry.

That weeds aren´t common in sudamerica 

This plant is an Acanthaceae or Lamiaceae member   (1).

I agree with Verbascum sinuatum L., for the second species of plant (image)..

The first plant might belong to Phlomis

Plant 1 = Salvia canariensis L. ?

agree with Verbascum sinuatum L. for IInd plant

i agree with Verbascum sinuatum L. for IInd plant

i agree with Verbascum sinuatum L. for second plant