Gravitons are carrier of gravity only when it is accepted as scalar tensor gravitational field object. But still explanations to gravity fails because as such it do not fits in its universal model. So it is necessary to depend on rank 2 tensor theory of gravity. Where graviton is part of universal space time metric where we understand how matter moves.

Gravitons as an object of gravitational field carrier becomes part of metric that defines matter itself. An equation that relates gravity and matter or field equation, replies here that energy is not conserved in some way to its matter equivalent. In short, here it violates it's universal model. Why?

because energy is considered observer dependent quantity. Location of observer fails all the attempts to reach to a correct solution. It fully mesh up the difference between object of the field and field itself.

It is so absurd to think gravity is a mechanical as Mr. Einstein or Newton thought. To chart, earth's gravity empirically Mr. Einstein miss the whole mass of atmosphere. Without any doubt earth's gravity is working with Temperature, pressure and mass, but Newtonian, & Einsteinian is working with made up weight.

It is very sad, our brain stuck on such pseudoscience...Read & learn.

Article Why Einstein's Theory of Gravity is wrong!

Article Earth Gravity is not Newtonian

Javed Fardaei@ It's not a question of gravity of Earth alone , what you said is correct upto inertial frame of reference it's about Universal gravity.

Preston Guyun@ It's correct to say that GR fails beyond solar system because it includes all the conditions that it should not. My question is about same. When we talk about gravity as a Universal force it is necessary to rethink about the differences it carries compare to other fundamental forces. Here I want to say that the approach to define the same starts before all necessary things get defined. It also includes all the conditions that are still not known, which are on graviton side , as a carrier of this field. I just want to say that gravity is defined before graviton and that provided conclusions which do not suit with other fundamental forces of standard model.

Gravity is a local Space-Time-Geometry. Explained by Tensor-GR. Quantum Gravity is due to GR NEEDS Thermodynamics. So the Geometry is realised due to a probability-aspect of local field-mass-quant-action. So the G-Field is made from Mass-Dynamics or Energy if you like. (This speculation also deals with force=change of momentum, from quantum-fluctuation and its direction-vector-probability shows only attractive force ist possible somewhere for that.)

Science overall and surely physics specifically need a paradigm shift if we are going to move beyond the stagnation that at fundamental levels persists for about a century.

The discovery of the Menorah Matrix, which is based on the inner-dimension of the base-10 plus and the Fibonacci series, provides the blueprint for a new understanding of reality, of the universe and the structures and forces that makes it function... so well.

Yes, there is one mathematical archetype that is at the foundation of all structures and phenomena in the universe. It explains the blueprint of the atomic and subatomic structures (including antiparticles), the blueprint for the electric and magnetic forces, and its toroidal/dual-toroidal dynamics explains a variety of other "puzzles" to present science. For examples, once we realize that the universe is based on one mathematical archetype then we can apply that to what is known and from there understand properties still unknown.

After understanding that the MM archetype predicted the atomic structure, the em force, the genetic code's 64 matrix, its limit of 20 amino acids, the two base pair system, the DNA's double helix, it was normal to see if it could explain the fast speed of stars at the edges of galaxies without invoking (again) another force (dark matter), or if there were a more simple, commonsensical answer to gravity without mixing space and time and then curving both of them in the known space-time curvature... And as it turned out, the dual-toroidal dynamics can indeed with the Bernoulli principle provide at least the basis for a more commonsensical understanding of gravity.

Are there things in the MM to be refined, corrected, expanded, etc? Of course! But it is also true that there is more than enough evidence to support the MM theory as the archetype of the universe and move beyond the impasse that physics especially is today.

Presentation Menorah Matrix - The Archetype of the Structures and Phenome...

Michael C Grasso@ About the MM theory I will say it is suitable for explaining the reality with numbers , because they always convey something in perfect way either correct or equivalent. But there is no way to know what is conveyed and is that suitable at that end because curvature of space time allows it to do same thing in many ways. Science can not prove the other side.

Manfred Geilhaupt@ I agree that gravity is defined very before by local space time geometry but when it have to include graviton then tensor is the right way. You are correct it's about mass dynamics thermodynamically.

Gravitons are not fluctuations of space-time but its inseparable part. A graviton is not an individual particle. It is a manifestation of time in our three-dimensional space.

If it is said beyond geodesic and beyond horizon then it is meaningful to say it is time.

The geodesic intervels of spiral flow of gravity allows gravitons (fluctuating part of fabric of space time) to change path of gravity inside space time curvature continuously . But how same fabric fluctuations behaves in low energy and high energy fields is part of further study.

There is no equal distribution of mass and energy in all directions in Universe so flow of gravity and it's field quanta affected in space time due to intrinsic energy and out side matter both. Space is like rough surface where big clusters of stars, dust particles, gaseous elements and dense matter is present.

Keeping the quantum gravity in mind if it is assumed that gravity is quantized then what will be the behaviour of all seperate gravitons? Is this same, different or depends on factors which affects the flow of mass and energy in Universe. Or how gravitons gravitate and follow law of gravitation itself?

Gravitons as field carrier holds the momentum that is why they impart the force on space time fabric,so temporary seperation in space time fabric occurs when gravity flows in space time. Because they fluctuate only in this way they can collect the momentum and carry it further from one point to the other in dynamic space time metric for moving mass. Twisted space time curvature is the additional reason the amount of force increase and decrease continuously depending on many other factors on which mass dynamics depends.

Polarity in gravitational space time indicates that GW attract and repulse each other,in similar way gravitons should also do it depending on magnetic poles that get formed, as we see it around Lagrange points. It is correct to say gravitons are inseperable part of space time but is this correct and acceptable that gravity and super gravity both are same as M-theory defines and also place an upper limit on the number of dimensions. All the gravitons as space time ribbons left wrapped inside magic membrane but what is safe gravity question remains as such? Here we only can say graviton is a wheel to gravity that move only as per set of all seperate versions of string theories. A normal understanding of gravity requires it to accept as membrane but simultaneously with non calculable vaccum states at low energies.

Gravitons as a force carrier behaves in such a way that it remains part of non inertial frame of reference while moving in space time itself. During all the interactions between linear and non linear space time frames it can be said that gravitons are the fluctuations of space time. While, geometrical structure of graviton metrics try to balance between binding energy and rest mass it possesses due to motion. Most of the time binding energy plays an important role for carrying the force but some times rest mass acts opposite to this and expansion in space time is seen. Because gravitons exist between more than one dimension at a time so it is difficult to separate these.

Gravitons have energy in space time in parts or discrete way because they should be multidimensional objects. Some energy in 3D space and some in 5D space depending on polarity factors and binding energy itself. So it can also be said that gravitons are the quanta that violates their own trajectories. It can never be said which side gravitons hold their mass energy momentum. Mostly, when binding energy disappears or decrease then energy shifts on higher plane of observation. While, higher plane of observation is the plane where gravitons can be accepted as fully closed strings. Or, they can escape materialistic boundaries. We can say gravitons are screwed space time momentum upto 3D space and fluctuating free hold space when they become part of higher space at very low energies. But, still we can not say gravitons are closed strings always, specially on boundaries of space time itself because in this way they they can be said perfect quanta for gravitation, else not. On boundaries they may be assumed like oscillating particles. Because gravitons oscillate on boundaries so they become capable in changing their intervals. From hypothetical said assumption as closed and infinitely broken or discrete string these can gravitate at their locations but we can not say they can do resonance also with binding energy alone. Behaviour of gravitons becomes complex beyond inertia and limits itself in magical membrane when it is with inertia.

Gravitons are multiaxis particles because they move upto 5th dimension

and due to this reason they can connect different coordinates along time axis. Because different coordinates along time axis can coexist for any 3D observer so gravitons are multiaxis multireality particles beyond curvature of third dimension in this sense.

Structure of such space due to complex curvature can be said violate the reality aspects observer side, but it can be acceptable because in this way gravitons make sense up to anywhere Universal gravitational field. So, understanding of galaxies,Universal galactic objects,stars, clusters,

clouds of gases etc. becomes easy by thinking gravity with gravitons. Else,we can not explain non linear behavior of Universal gravitation.

Good question.. my direct answer is space times are not the same. they are different. It is hard to understand by contemporary physics.(explained in my papers)

SPKodukula@As per normal understanding what you are saying is correct but if we consider the gravity and gravitons in different mass densities in Universe then time is also affected with space.

As per quantum model you suggest, we requires multiple observers to define consciousness. But I am not agree on definition that is provided for defining reality. My simple question can we define mutiuniverse on it's basis?

@ AK JAIN

My explanation is for one view of multiverses(or multiple states) through a single observer. my paper 'brain as quantum processor' will explain the observation, superposition of quantum states. gravity will not have density it is interpreted by a space time which is different from graviton. Graviton viewed on the screen of that space time originated by our consciousness in which electromagnetic disturbance will be with light velocity and Planck hole dia is 10^-35 .

SPKodukula

My consideration was about varying mass density. You are correct gravity do not have any density in normal. Your explanation for gravitons is also good. But things that here I have to say gravitons are visible by properties only not physically. We are considering quantum computing observations. And quanta of gravitational field is directly accepted as part of electromagnetic field. Although Gertsenshtein effect describe this conversion. But acceptance for consciousness and part of reality requires very long explanation. We can not equalise mechanical effects. And if we accept it as truth then observational errors for quanta of gravitational field will be very high, what I think. Reality and multiverse consideration explain main things but it's ground is most difficult.

Energy of gravitons when these becomes the part of non inertial frame of reference or transfers to 5D space as free hold energy may undergo different kind of motions like uniform, accelerated, decelerated, constant etc. And Newton's law of inertia can not be applied here as such. Einstein’s theory of general relativity recasts gravity as the fictitious force that we experience due to the curvature of space and time.

When things kept in non inertial frames then their behavior varies according to different frames itself.

While, sometimes matter exist in its purest form and observer get confused, because different kind of transformations an object undergo between different points of space and time because of instant transformations it undergo with and without logic's and reasoning beyond understanding. But because all things happen in the presence of objective mind so nothing can be said. An objective transformation of an object in the presence of objective mind can not be accepted back in the limits of materialistic world as such.

We can talk about entropy and direction of motion mainly in non inertial frames of reference not each and every thing every time. As a human being we are not able to understand the direct communication that happens beyond the limits of motion because same information travels by different means, between different points of timeline which is acceptable to an objective unconscious mind but may or may not be acceptable to any external observers as such always. Which way the information changes is decided at the dynamic end fluctuating space time as a vital energy support.

Law of equivalence can not be said true every time in any such conditions with normal thinking but in the limits of meta physics things may be said true.

But still it is correct to say here, that gravitons are fluctuations of space time "because this way they become capable to pass the information(more fundamental way of describing energy)in many ways".

Because multiple paths to flow energy or information , exists at non inertial frame levels only this way space and time can be said cloaking each and every thing either living or non living discretely. And up to when these are discrete, indirectly this can be said "binding energy is acting opposite to rest mass" and "gravitons again violating their own trajectories", in their purest form as materialistic world boundaries with the help of vital elements that connects all living and non living things in nature and Universe(view).

There is different means of "polarisation of gravity" considering space and time as grounds for this. Gravitons have meaning only when they are in motion, this way they impact reality one side and time and matter on other side.

When we consider space as ground then means of polarisation of gravity

for us can be any from these-

i. reality is linear and observable, or

ii. reality is non linear and observable, or

iii. reality is distorted and observable

While, when we consider time as background then means of polarisation

of gravity for us can be any from these-

i. reality is distorted and non observable, or

ii. reality is nowhere(from observer or non-materialistic point of view)

here in this second case reality is considered non observable because of geometrical restriction of vision beyond sapce-time horizon.

So, from all the things said above during the evoporation of matter as radiation during the merger of black-holes where gravitational waves generated we observe reality either in space as black hole radiations or as nothing materialistically(as time).From this it can be said there exist two seperate axis of flow of two things one is "matter along space as ground" and other one is "matter along time as background."

So, evoporation of black holes requires two seperate axis to accept the phenomenon as reality.

And it requires nothing if phenomenon happens along time axis non-materialistically,because nothing can be observed except change in the spacetime orientation of galactic big clusters etc.This is possible only with existence of graviton's only because along chain of multiple graviton's this becomes possible along two seperate axes.While, in normal cases these

two axes need not to be seperate for the flow gravity every time with dynamic mass-less graviton's.

If graviton's exist then there is no need of singularities for explaining the graviton's as quanta of gravitation and there will be no observational contradiction in this way. While,in this way graviton's becomes the quanta outside the horizon of black holes and around sapce singularities observations where vision of observer shift along different coordinates along timeline to save the collapse of wave function of reality in most of the studies that lefts contradictions only.

The gravity flow in Universe as per rules of symmetry. Either there is materialistic boundaries present or not around this but how ? Things move with and without vacuum same way perfectly. Is this thing do not keep gravitation in different domain from all other fundamental forces. Or, is our definition of vacuum is correct for gravity also? What is the need of "vitality" if elementary things are sufficient to describe living and non livings same way. Here, we find existence and behavior of existence as two different things when we keep results of gravitational observation as fundamental or elementary values of system(part of metaphysics).

When we study rules of symmetry we find that they concludes that need of existence is the ultimate thing to be care of. Inverse is also accepted equal to its congruent part sometimes. So, here we should only say gravity balance the existence that itself exist on different levels. So gravity cares of Ultimate rules of existence as a part of Universal truth. It do not care of all things that falls down to it as a child nodes in the tree. But it cares up to the node levels up to which such things are present that impacts gravity. While , sometimes it is individual and sometimes it is multi reality but consciousness is accordingly. In this way we find that there is a universal balance between inertial and non inertial frames of reference when spin 2 matter is considered , we can not say frames of references are same thing for all.

This seems unequal mechanically in itself when we deal with physical aspects of gravity. How it is correct then ?

There is an indirect answer to the above unequality ,when we fix things like “cosmological constant” then indirectly we fix it unequally which is correct. Another way this is something like, we can not change each and every thing every time, mechanically. Or, we also can say uncertainity is subdivided on two sides. Once it is considered by Einstein in equations and said "blunder",

the reason is this it equalises spin 2 matter as per its own. In old testaments

we find all things are described as creation of Supreme. Some people accept all things as they are suitable to them but do not accept how they want to keep them equal on the ground of mathematics and physics then?

Here, we only can say reality differs as per considerations. No need to blame the efforts done previously and till now in different domains of knowledge.

So from all this we can say gravitons as a quanta of gravitational field are mainly responsible for balancing the existence by following law of conservation itself or with all (things depends on many factors known and unknown).

Macroscopic view of gravitation keeps all things in deterministic domain of observation. While microscopic view of gravitation says Universe seems random. Things are not fixed and uncertainty is part of such things when our view is microscopic. We can understand same thing in two ways.

First,when we say things are in equilibrium then it means motion is either constant or uniform.

This way our sense of time becomes absolute in itself. And non locality and locality becomes equal or same in this case. But parameters on which Universal gravitation depends may vary.

Second, its inverse , we can say when things are not in equilibrium then it means motion is either accelerated or retarding. This way our sense of time becomes mechanical due to changes or reality we experience . And non locality and locality remains different on there own grounds.

From our said considerations .Our sense of time is observer and its frame of reference dependent. So, Einstein is correct in his views about relativity .

But the difference here is Einstein’s prediction behind this was for mechanical inputs while here said difference is only due to changes in our sense of time. We can accept here our observations are impacted by our consciousness(sense of time) while our requirement of correct definition for gravitation is reality dependent.

So , we can say gravitation is like change on Universal scale because it requires (space, time, reality ,matter)all in its observations. While, it is like force locally because (there is no need of all) to observe and describe the results.

So there is requirement of different means of gravitation on two scales for making observations. Object or quanta of field should also be considered same way. There is very limited means of gravitons locally and there is more sense of gravitons in explaining the things that impact gravitation (space, time, reality ,matter) or that it requires for its own existence on large scales.

At Universal scale non linear behaviour of gravity not only supports itself but indirectly it supports nature of all the things(space, time, reality ,matter) mostly considered abstract, deterministic or uniform on which it depends. Also, we can not have a complete definition of vacuum for all fundamental forces but for observer itself it is like accepting equilibrium without manifestation of things that it observe through senses. While, for all other four fundamental forces there is no need to change our existing definition of vacuum.

Imperfect interactions of gravitons are neither detectable and nor observable along their own trajectories because here we can not justify the energy of gravitons which side it is due to their oscillations between

different dimensions.

Perfect interactions are controlled with gravity itself. Collapse of wave function, speed of flow , acceptance as a force, least action principle for what can exist and what can not, justify that gravity is open to close or one

sided observation. Might be, these things completes the constitution of gravitation on all scales. So, for perfect interactions if we explore the things then we come across many things.

For perfect interactions between gravitons beyond field because no driving force exist except mutual ineractions between gravitons only so this concludes trajectory for gravitons either do not exist further or it is non linear because this way it reach somewhere necessarily.

For the perfect interactions between gravitons within or up to field if we assume gravitons exist then we have to consider trajectory of gravitons with line of action of gravity. In case no oscillations is there ,then gravity will drive gravitons as per normal. When we consider interactions of gravitons

along mutual “line of action of force” for objects we find many irregularties in trajectories of gravitons. Directly,we can not say it is linear.

While ,our definition of local gravity discard all things about gravitons except inertia and physical parameters because it comes from deterministic form of gravitation. It considers the field linearly.

There is no direct limit of non mechanical deep space observations. But behaviour of existence change with amount of uncertainity associated with it. When uncertainity increase observations cease themselves due to

unstability and to save collapse of wave function. So, in case of dark energy we find that either our observations shift along time axis unprecedently or it captures the hypothetical identity itself very quickly. So here, we find that

observer’s observation time is very limited in itself.

Also, in case of dark matter when we make imperfect observations we indirectly divides existence along different planes of observations while observer itself do not aware of such things. So, here we can say our non mechanical limits shifts towards non-inertial frames of references and things are either in uniform or constant motion or limited by these.

Dark matter says work is negative and it is due to gravitation. It considers that peaks of energy can exist and black holes sucks them directly. Indirectly, it is direct dealing of potential energy between different

gravitational potential wells. So, dark matter requires multiple axis of observation. While, our gravitons hypothesis says we can observe materialistic observations along space axis and can not say anything

about observations along time axis. In this way our materialistic boundary of existence is our mechanical limit of observations.

Dark energy(weak gravity) considers gravitational observations from surface to surface. So here we see our space is limited up-to our axis of observations. We find there is no axis of observation and all things limited along one coordinate in space this way whole dark energy becomes able to shift between two time coordinates.

Then how things becomes possible and acceptable simultaneously as per existing definition of gravity? This way we find instant requirement of non linear behaviour.

Is this consideration do not approve acceptance of gravitons(or any hypothetical object of gravitational field),while unconscious mind

accept it? Shifting of dark energy between different time coordinates says two things mainly, first it survives only in non inertial frames as vitality and save itself along time axis to prevent from more changes in physical parameters.

When we consider gravitons with intrinsic energy alone we find their speed becomes slow in lower dimensions. Although, it is uniform in itself in higher dimensions. This way we can say reality is different for different kind of observations but our correct definition of gravity change accordingly.

How we deal with observations , what are our parameters, how many of them are non physical ? All these things makes existence of gravitons complex but still in this way we can say it is dynamic reality in all cases and makes Universal gravity an easy thing for observers knowingly

and unknowingly.

Temporal energy flows further through cones of reality and vanish itself between two ends of an unbounded string and again comes back at it's place between new dimensions up to when object of the field do not meets it's ground further in any random space time process...

Graviton's can be imagined as a factorised or discrete strings in space time which behave differently majorly in two ways only either strong or weak behaviours. Compacted curvature of space time do not exist for single graviton's or for very less number of graviton's but it must exist for a chain of graviton's. While, it is again required to say that graviton's themselves are fluctuating discrete parts in space time. Any where photons that comes in between motion get included. Some photons may travel up to some reasonable distances while some of them may travel up to last. Rotational motion can be maximum or minimum in path for inter conversion of photons

to gravitons itself. But, all photons are not useful in same chain very few of them will be useful. Where ever similar momentum coupling is possible flow will get diverted towards that side in chain.

Because graviton's are results of induced gravity matrices so behaviour of electromagnetic waves is different(open) from that of behaviour of gravity

itself(close) with graviton's instantaneously in path. Dynamically gravity itself may be supporting or not to graviton's it depends on their positions in space time itself during motion. While, motion can be uniform also so behaviour of graviton's is totally different in inertial and non inetial frames of references in Universe alternately.

When multiple graviton's chain up to long distances in space then their coupling with each other makes the field itself either compact or very weak

otherwise(transparent) observer wise.

Specialty of gravity is this it can cross space time either as a whole or in parts separately , it depends. It is necessary to know about different kind of curvatures for flow of different kinds of gravity. Most of the time graviton's should cross discrete gravity concurrent circles tangentially with momentum up to their next coordinate where ever it is in compacted space for any observer. But main thing here along which axis they are space or time axis according to this same chain of graviton's will show different behaviors for different observers either weak or strong it depends.

If weak gravity have to be flow In space then simple space-time curvature may help in achieving this. But if strong or very strong gravity have to flow between different parts of space then simple curvature will get modified or upgraded itself as per requirements of field at initial and at its destination points between which mutual interaction is taking place. Super or highly twisted curvatures exist in deep space with super binding gravity up to attainment of super compactness(very high density).

In case of dark matter the existence of two separate space and time axes allows similar graviton's behave differently in a chain. Multiple graviton's chain along time axis behave compacted but supporting the flow of weak and transparent gravity. While, same multiple graviton's along space axis behave compacted but supporting to the flow of strong gravity.Super gravity of dark matter is the case where binding energy of compacted chain of graviton's redefines itself towards deeper space keeping whole time axis outside the deep space.

While dark energy is inverse of this where rest mass of spreaded graviton's try to flow through common time axis coordinates in space. Dark energy is like negative energy or like instant binding of energy through its total surface of total mass which it carries at any instant.

Mostly, in any mutual interactions virtual dynamic graviton's behave like discrete strings in start and like disappearing negative energy particles that move from surface to surface only in last.

“…Gravitons are considered as quanta of gravitational field not identified experimentally but concept of gravity contradicts concept of gravitons from observer point of view while no such thing with quanta of other fields. We can not relate both because….”

- really particles “gravitons” fundamentally aren’t some “quanta of gravitational field” – as any other particles aren’t some quanta of any other fundamental Nature forces fields.

What are the real fundamental Nature Gravity force mediators that compose gravitational fields see the Shevchenko-Tokarevsky’s 2007 initial model of Gravity and Electric Forces in

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355361749_The_informational_physical_model_and_fundamental_problems_in_physics , or briefly in

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/366536729_The_informational_model_-Gravity_and_Electric_Forces_Version_2

Recent SS post in https://www.researchgate.net/post/How_Gravitons_are_able_to_escape_a_Black_Hole_Gravitons_too_travels_with_the_speed_of_light_and_even_light_cant_escape_a_Black_Hole/1is relevant to this thread question.

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It is correct to say "graviton's are thought to be responsible for the force of gravity by mediating the interaction between massive objects."

But locally and Universally we do not have same definition of force of gravitation. Consideration of Newton is different from Einstein in GR. While, here as an impact we know(as observers) our memory is directly related with our consciousness , while reality is different on different on different levels of consciousness. Behaviour of gravity will differ for different spaces because Universally gravity is capable in changing intervals and space both during its flow.

As per initial consideration in this discussion graviton's are assumed multi-reality objects. There is different meaning of this here if we want to visualise its geometry then we can not predict them even on screen in case if we consider them 3D objects , but there is limited possibility of visualisation in case if we consider them 5D objects. It does not mean graviton's do not exist for 3D space but truly they exist with different reality(observer dependent).

From mass point of view graviton's do not have any physical mass at all . But Universally in luminous gaseous form all things exist along planes of multi reality at a time in different kinds of frames of references on different energy levels. As said from force point of view ‘directly’ there is no difference in 3D and 5D view but ‘indirectly’ it exist along multiple axes for any single observer or for multiple observers also.

In case of multiple observers we can keep our axis of attraction or mutual interaction as per own choice but in case of single observer we do not have any choice. It directly means there is a separate axis which exist in background that impacts other observers in different way.

As said previously if we say, “ temporal energy flows further through cones of reality and vanish itself between two ends of an unbounded string and again comes back at its place between new dimensions up to when object of the field do not meets its ground further in any random space-time process ” then there is nothing wrong in it in case of single observer for understanding a hypothetical object in continuity. Although , here it is random space-time process simultaneously.

While, we know space time is discrete and continuous both . But , if we try to visualise same thing in 3 or lesser number of dimensions then we definitely lack something from reality. But to explain things for all observers if we consider graviton's as part of 5D space then it will be more easy and generalised compare to its 3D explanation.

“…Gravitons are elementary particles that are the theoretical force carriers for gravity, in analogy to the photon for electromagnetism. In quantum field theory, gravitons are massless particles that travel at the speed of light. They are thought to be responsible for the force of gravity by mediating the interaction between massive objects.. …..”, etc.

- that is a too questionable claim. In mainstream physics some “quantum field theory”, where “gravitons are massless particles that travel at the speed of light” doesn’t exist, since in the mainstream the GR is standard theory, where no “gravitons” are; though that isn’t a scientific problem, this problem really practically only political one.

Though some real “quantum field theory” of really fundamentally nothing else than some fundamental Nature force “Gravity”, which in a number of traits is similar to the fundamental Electric Force, is, of course, possible, but that is possible only if in physics the GR will be excluded as a scientific theory.

However, again, that above really is only a politics and doesn’t relate to science, while what is really physically incorrect is that “Gravitons are elementary particles that are the theoretical force carriers for gravity”

- again, though real particles “gravitons” practically for sure really exist and are radiated at acceleration of Gravity charges “gravitational masses”, forming, including, like coherent flows of real particles photons, when electric charges are accelerated, form “EM waves”, gravitational waves,

- but real Gravity and Electric [and Nuclear] Forces mediators fundamentally aren’t particles. That is evidently follows from evident fact – say, a couple of electric charges at statics evidently interact, however at that no any particle “photon” isn’t observed.

That is explained in QED that in this case the charges exchange by “virtual” photons, however such “explanation” for any normal human looks as some completely unscientific mystic trick – for any normal human it is evident that in Matter only real objects can really exist.

Again in this thread: real Forces mediators, which form the Forces’ fields, aren’t particles, and so at least at statics the mediators don’t carry any energy. In any by any Forces’ coupled systems of particles, bodies, etc., interactions happen only by spending own the particles, bodies, etc., energies, the mediators only “trigger” this exchange.

More about what are Gravity and Electric Forces see the links to the SS&VT 2007 initial model of Gravity and Electric Forces in the SS post above, the 2023 initial model of Nuclear Force see in https://www.researchgate.net/publication/369357747_The_informational_model_-Nuclear_Force;

- Matter is rather simple logical system and so all what exists and happens in Matter is determined by a small number of fundamental and universal laws/links/constants, including the Forces above act by the same fundamental universal scheme.

While, again, the real mediators are “circular gravitons/photons/ π-mesons ” and the real just particles “gravitons”, “photons”, “π-mesons” are radiated when some “circular” mediators are impacted and transform into something that is without “circular”.

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Neither gravitons are elementary nor force fields are particles. Gravitons are hypothetical objects of the field not identified upto this. Here, we want to fix how they are differ from gravity in different conditions. As per study gravitons violates their own trajectories so in this way their behaviour becomes more difficult observer side. Their is no claim against any existing and accepted facts. This discussion only try to address some thing which itself fundamental and beyond normal logic, why and how for this many reasons and explanations already given.

Graviton's are results of induced gravity matrices so behaviour of electromagnetic waves is different(open) from that of behaviour of gravity

itself(close) with graviton's instantaneously in path. Dynamically gravity itself may be supporting or not to graviton's it depends on their positions in spacetime itself during motion. While, motion can be uniform also so behaviour of graviton's is totally different in inertial and non inetial frames of references in Universe alternately.

Graviton's can be imagined as a factorised or discrete strings in space time which behave differently majorly in two ways only either strong or weak behaviours. Compacted curvature of space time do not exist for single graviton's or for very less number of graviton's but it must exist for a chain of graviton's. While, it is again required to say that graviton's themselves are fluctuating discrete parts in space time. Any where photons that comes in between motion get included. Some photons may travel up to some reasonable distances while some of them may travel up to last. Rotational motion can be maximum or minimum in path for inter conversion of photons

to gravitons itself. But, all photons are not useful in same chain very few of them will be useful. Where ever similar momentum coupling is possible flow will get diverted towards that side in chain.

When multiple graviton's chain up to long distances in space then their coupling with each other makes the field itself either compact or very weak

otherwise(transparent) observer wise.

Specialty of gravity is this it can cross space time either as a whole or in parts separately , it depends. It is necessary to know about different kind of curvatures for flow of different kinds of gravity. Most of the time graviton's should cross discrete gravity concurrent circles tangentially with momentum up to their next coordinate where ever it is in compacted space for any observer. But main thing here along which axis they are space or time axis according to this same chain of graviton's will show different behaviors for different observers either weak or strong it depends.

If weak gravity have to be flow In space then simple space-time curvature may help in achieving this. But if strong or very strong gravity have to flow between different parts of space then simple curvature will get modified or upgraded itself as per requirements of field at initial and at its destination points between which mutual interaction is taking place. Super or highly twisted curvatures exist in deep space with super binding gravity up to attainment of super compactness(very high density).

In case of dark matter the existence of two separate space and time axes allows similar graviton's behave differently in a chain. Multiple graviton's chain along time axis behave compacted but supporting the flow of weak and transparent gravity. While, same multiple graviton's along space axis behave compacted but supporting to the flow of strong gravity.Super gravity of dark matter is the case where binding energy of compacted chain of graviton's redefines itself towards deeper space keeping whole time axis outside the deep space.

While dark energy is inverse of this where rest mass of spreaded graviton's try to flow through common time axis coordinates in space. Dark energy is like negative energy or like instant binding of energy through its total surface of total mass which it carries at any instant.

Energy of graviton's when these becomes the part of non inertial frame of reference or transfers to 5D space as free hold energy may undergo different kind of motions. Mostly, in any mutual interactions virtual dynamic graviton's behave like discrete strings in start and like disappearing negative energy holos that move from surface to surface only in last. There is nothing to observe in last as a energy counterpart and only entropy and direction of motion are the things remains observer side.

By the way, GR part of Gravity is reality:

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