There seems to be production schedules for former red socialist countries and information about planned economy/planned production, but what about the cost of those production schedules....
Were production levels determined by the social cost of production...the lower the social cost of production we can plan more production and at higher social costs we have to schedule lower production goals.....
But these two cases then would lead to inneficient levels of production as it would be either above or below desired production goals....the efficient level of production would be the one where production levels are determined by the actual social cost of production.....
Were production schedules kept at the social cost of production in red socialism systems?
Good day Cesar,...
your comment does no relates to the question, it is about production under red socialist systems of production a la Karl Marx and its cost or price.
Have a nice day
My apologies Caser, it was not my intention to be unpolite.
Have a nice day.
One book that might help you is by Alec Nove: The Economics of Feasible Socialism (1983). There are also articles on the internet that summarize Nove's work.
Logically speaking, there would be no need for cost accounting in a Marxist framework. The only source of value is labor power, and it presumably yields a profit at every level, since Marx does not seem to have recognized the concept of diminishing returns. Capital and land are allocated to production units by a higher level of authority, and neither of those factors represents a cost in socialist accounting.
Good day Clifford, your comment and summary seems to provide the answer, red socialism produced all the time to meet social needs at the social cost of production.....
And therefore they were meeting social needs at an economic loss all the time, which through time led to the ongoing accumulation of capitalism deficits…capitalism deficits brought Karl Marx’s world down in 1991 with the fall of the soviet bloc leading to the shift from red socialism to red capitalism….
This shift created what I call a red market knowledge gap as red socialist ideas and pure economic ideas do not work under red market thinking, you need red micro-economics and red macro-economics to do the trick efficiently…and this creates problems for red socialist scholars and traditional economists in trying to rationalize what to do after the 1991 shift or how to explain it or what went wrong or how to rationalize it…
For example, after the fall of Karl Marx’s world in 1991 China move to argue that they are still in the first phase of socialism and moving slowly towards the second phase, but perfect red market theory can be used to show that because of the paradigm shift China move straight from the first phase of socialism/meeting social needs at social cost to the third phase of socialism/meeting social needs at a profit bypassing in the process the second phase of socialism/meeting social needs at zero profit, which appears to have been the option Karl Marx advocated….
I am working on this paper titled:
Beyond both red socialism thinking and traditional market thinking: What is the structure of the perfect red market?
I will share it when done.
You may find the ideas in these papers interesting:
Perfect Green Markets vrs Dwarf Green Markets: Did We Start Trying to Solve the Environmental Crisis in 2012 With the Wrong Green Foot? If Yes, How Can This Situation Be Corrected?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305994500_Perfect_Green_Markets_vrs_Dwarf_Green_Markets_Did_We_Start_Trying_to_Solve_the_Environmental_Crisis_in_2012_With_the_Wrong_Green_Foot_If_Yes_How_Can_This_Situation_Be_Corrected
Adam Smith and Karl Marx Under the Sustainability Eye: Pointing Out and Comparing the Sustainability Gaps Behind these Two Great Simplification Failures
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299885202_Adam_Smith_and_Karl_Marx_Under_the_Sustainability_Eye_Pointing_Out_and_Comparing_the_Sustainability_Gaps_Behind_these_Two_Great_Simplification_Failures
Adam Smith Vrs Karl Marx: Stating the Structure and Implications of the Paradigm Clash that Led to the Death of Karl Marx’s World, to the Fall of the Soviet Bloc, and to the Rise of Socially Friendly Capitalism.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/292359802_Adam_Smith_Vrs_Karl_Marx_Stating_the_Structure_and_Implications_of_the_Paradigm_Clash_that_Led_to_the_Death_of_Karl_Marx%27s_World_to_the_Fall_of_the_Soviet_Bloc_and_to_the_Rise_of_Socially_Friendly_Cap
Thank you and have a nice day
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I found the article in the internet Clifford, thank you...I will read it.....
It quick look at it tells me that perhaps Novac thought that Karl Marx did not think about diminishing returns when costing....I think that just as Adam Smith probably he wanted a clean, easy to sell idea and the best way to get a clean idea is to assumed related complexity away...but it seems Karl Marx was thinking from the point of producing at zero profit so the production levels would be kept at price = social margin + zero profit economic margin, but the extreme branch of red socialism wanted to wipe any economic margin out of the model,,,,so the first phase of socialism was meeting social needs at an economic loss....
With this insight, the ideas I will share in that paper will make more sense.....
Have a nice day
Soviet planning implied no ineficient production. Simply, resources were allocated according to different goals with respect to capitalism (whose only goal is profit maximisation). Clearly, with respect to capitalist goals, this resources allocation is (or, better, appears) inefficient, but only because it comprises other goals.
With the development of mathematics, this has been developed formally under the rubric of optimal resource allocation by Leonid Kantorovich, Nobel and Lenin laureate. The technique of optimal planning have then been discovered and used by the Americans and by other capitalist countries. With optimal planning, costs of production are obviously minimised, but the point is that they are minimised with respect to the social goals defined in the plan.
Unlike other commentators, I would also distinguish Marx's idea on socialism and the development of real socialism. Marx's critique is about capitalism, the construction of socialism does not follow automatically.
Lucio and Giulio, A fundamental issue here is how the word "efficient" should be defined. Capitalist economics defines an efficient outcome as "Pareto optimal," which means no further mutually beneficial exchange is possible. It measures value according to exchange value or market price.
Socialism defines "efficient" in terms of an entirely different type of accounting, but it is presumably based on physical input-output relationships (maximum physical output per unit of physical input). This is the way engineers in most countries think of efficiency. It is my impression that an engineering concept of efficiency is still the standard method used in China,
An extreme example of how these competing ideas of efficiency affect actual decisions would be the "ghost cities" in China: entire cities of tall buildings with only 1% occupancy. It is quite possible that these buildings were constructed efficiently from an engineering perspective, even though they are not efficient from a market value perspective.
Hi Clifford, I agree that when we speak of efficiency we should always clarify according to which criterion.
Pareto efficiency in distribution presupposes technical (or engineering if you prefer) efficiency in production. Once you have optimised production you can distribute it with many different criteria, Pareto efficiency being only one of them. The superiority of socialism is not merely in its possibility to distribute an efficient production according to political criteria (which might differ from the Pareto one), but rather in the possibility to produce different products, which satisfy better human needs (rather than capital self-valorisation needs).
Dear Giulio, keep in mind, I am an outside the box thinker, outside the red socialist box and outside the traditional economy box at the same time, I look at the issues from the sustainability point of view....when you are outside the box especially when there are paradigm shifts you can see things those inside the box as indicated by Thomas Kuhn/the structure of scientific revolutions can no see it or are unable to see it or are slow to see it and this applies to both those within the red socialist box and those within the traditional market box...
The arguments between red socialism(Marx's ideas) and bare capitalism(Smith's ideas) have been framed from an antagonistic point of view each trying to replace each other and never looking for ways to link them to be able to understand them from the inside out...the best way to link markets from the sustainability point of view is the price mechanism, but to my knowledge this has never been done....
I agree with your comment: " Marx's critique is about capitalism, the construction of socialism does not follow automatically". And this fact has allowed those in the red socialist camp to go in ways inconsistent with Karl Marx's pricing mechanism which through time led in 1991 to the end of red socialism with the fall of the soviet bloc. On the other hand it allowed pro-bare capitalist to focus on the economic shortcomings of socialism not on the social and/or environmental short comings of bare capitalism, but now with time with the shift to green markets we can see the environmental shortcomings of Adam Smith model. Now both pure models(red socialism and bare capitalism) are dead and from the point of view of red markets we can link them and see that when both pure models are corrected to close opposing sustainabllity gaps we get to the same red perfect markets...the same prices...the same consumptions levels...
These two paradigm shifts, the 1991 paradigm shift from red socialism to red capitalism in former pure socialism counties and the 2012 paradigm shift from traditional market thinking to green market think are giving us a one in a life time opportunity to look at the past with a sustainability lens....
In my view, Marx proposed a red market to champion red socialism, but he seems not to have been able to either convey this message well or he could not complete his ideas or his ideas were distorted after the fact as instead of implementing red market socialist countries implemented the extreme version of the three possible paths that can be supported from Karl Marx;s pricing of production, a red socialism market...red markets can be zero profit or for profits while red socialist markets assume economy externality neutrality and only the social cost of production matters to meet social needs which force them to meet social needs at an economic loss,,,,
You may find the following articles interesting:
Understanding the Death and Paradigm Shift of Adam Smith’s model: Was Going Green the Only Option? If not, Is This Option the Most Sustainable One?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299882613_Understanding_the_Death_and_Paradigm_Shift_of_Adam_Smith%27s_model_Was_Going_Green_the_Only_Option_If_not_Is_This_Option_the_Most_Sustainable_One
The Unintended Consequences of Paradigm Death and Shift: Was the Arrow Impossibility Theorem Left Behind?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299879934_The_Unintended_Consequences_of_Paradigm_Death_and_Shift_Was_the_Arrow_Impossibility_Theorem_Left_Behind
Did Adam Smith Miss the Chance to State the Goal and Structure of Sustainability Markets in His Time? If Yes, Which Could Be Some of the Possible Reasons Behind That?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298476400_Did_Adam_Smith_Miss_the_Chance_to_State_the_Goal_and_Structure_of_Sustainability_Markets_in_His_Time_If_Yes_Which_Could_Be_Some_of_the_Possible_Reasons_Behind_That
Paradigm Evolution and Sustainability Thinking: Using a Sustainability Inversegram to State Paradigm Death and Shift Expectations under Win-Win and No Win-Win Situations
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298353982_Paradigm_Evolution_and_Sustainability_Thinking_Using_a_Sustainability_Inversegram_to_State_Paradigm_Death_and_Shift_Expectations_under_Win-Win_and_No_Win-Win_Situations
Karl Marx Vrs Sustainability Markets: Who would have won the cold war then? Would the World of Karl Marx Have Existed Then?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/296849826_Karl_Marx_Vrs_Sustainability_Markets_Who_would_have_won_the_cold_war_then_Would_the_World_of_Karl_Marx_Have_Existed_Then
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Dear Clifford, we can represent the two models/markets as follows:
The red socialism model = K1 = Abc, only society matters.
The bare capitalist model = T = aBc, only the economy matters,
If you compare them directly as people have historically done you are comparing apples and oranges....A model can not tell you anything directly about exogenous factors....Adam Smith's model can not tell you anything about social efficiency as it is run by economic efficiency and it assumes among other things social externality neutrality.....Karl marx model can not tell you anything directly about economic efficiency as it is run by social efficiency and it assumes among other things economic externality neutrality....
Now if you link them:
K1 .T = (Abc)(aBc) = (Aa)(bB)(cc) = (Aa)(bB)c
We can see their similarities and their weaknesss....And under no win win situation that is the structure of the cold war....
Under win win situations they merge
Dear Giulio and Clifford, In the paper I am about to finish to introduce the structure of the perfect red market I show that you can get to the same red market by correcting Adam Smith traditional market price to reflect social concerns or by correcting the red socialist price to reflect economic concers....
while sharing a way of linking them through their respective price mechanism and this allows you to express the traditional market price in terms of the red socialist price or to express the red socialist price in terms of the traditional market price....and you can see easily then which corrections are needed to transform each or both markets into perfect red markets....
I think that once the theory and structure of the perfect red market is out there red socialism scholars and traditional market centered scholars will see ways that contradict their views in the past and ways how to muve forward so paradigm evolution continues....
we should keep in mind that just as red socialist countries shifted to red markets in 1991 old capitalist countries could have shifted to red markets in 2012 instead shifting to green markets if the mainstream had chosen so....
I will share the paper when ready before publication as food for thoughts...as it may provide another way of looking at the same old issues...
Dear Guilio and Clifford, in your critques about Karl Marx or the in the discourse Karl Marx vrs Adam Smithuou have done or seen historically did you ever came across attemps to link both ideas through the price mechanism,,,either starting with Karl Marx produciton price structure or Adam Smith trational production price?. If yes, where can I find those ideas?
Have a nice day
Dear Giulio, capital is Marx take of capitalism in my view and his attempt I think to propose a red market (RM) as the driver of red socialism at that time, but a red socialist model was implemented instead..... I am curious about other researchers either from the red socialism school or the Adam Smith school trying to connect them through their pricing mechanism in the past.....
From my point of view Karl Marx's general clearing price(KMP) had the following structure:
KMP = C + i Where C = Cost
i = Profits
If we break the cost(C) into the social margin(SM) to operate socially friendly and the economic margin(ECM) to operate economy friendly at the same time, then we have:
KMP = SM + ECM + i
The Karl Marx Price(KMP) ensures that we produce in socially(SM) and economically(ECM) friendly ways with with a profit(i)
Tthe formula above can be used to state the three possible implementation paths for the red socialist model(K) available at that time:
a) The society only path, where ECM = i = 0
K1 = SM
It wipes out capitalism fully
b) The zero profit path, where i = 0
K2 = SM + ECM
It removes the profit portion of capitalism only
c) The full profit path
K3 = SM + ECM + i
it restores the full profit function of capitalism
Notice that the actual path implemented in former red socialist countries is K1, producing to meet social needs at a full economic loss.
Notice that the paradigm shift in 1991 from red socalism to red capitalism has the following structure:
K1 = SM----------------------> K3 = SM + ECM + i = RP = red market price
The above indicates that due to the 1991 paradigm shift China skept the second phase of socialism(K2), producing at zero profits and they went straight to the third phase of socialism(k3) producing at full profit....Should we expect China to go back from full profit (K3) to zero profit(K2) anytime soon?....I do not think so....
Notice that if the above is true, then formula K3 can be used to link the price mechanism of red market (RM) and the price mechanism of the traditional market(TM)
I made this comments as food for thoughts
Have a nice day
Dear Lucio, can you please specify where Marx wrote (or gave evidence of thinking) these pieces of vulgar economics?
Good day Giulio, are you talking about Karl Marx' production price KMP = C + i , cost -price plus average profit?.
Have a nice day!
No, I'm talking about your attempt to define a friendly rate of exploitation and your pretence that this comes out from Marx's mouth.
Dear Giulio, it is a fact...That is what China is doing now, no?...Red markets, a socially friendly rate of exploitation.....China was producing at full economic loss just before 1991 under red scoialism and now it is operating at full profit under red capitalism.......
Everything in my prevvious posting below KMP = C + i is my own deduction and conjectures from the sustainability point of view done to show how markets can be connected through their pricing mechanism, in no way there I have said Karl Marx said that ,other than his definition of production price"...I am just making links nobody seems to have made before using price mechamnisms and model externality assumptions and from the sustainability point of view....
Starting from the sustainbility market price and cancelling terms depending on corresponding externality assumptions each model has it can be shown that C = SM + ECM and it can be shown that KMP = C + i = RP = red market price....
That is why I shared those food for thoughts....
Now Giulio, ....Am I wrong to say KMP = C + i ? Am I wrong deducting that K1 = SM = red socialist market price?. Please let me know...
Respectfully yours
Lucio, you are not wrong in yuou deductions nut in your asumptions: you seem to like colours more than economic theory. In the history of political economy (and of its critique) there are no red capitalism and red socialism, but capitalism and socialism. Your definition of "red" is simply "nice according to bourgeois morality". This is precisely what Marx criticised. You can mention Marx explicitly or ignore him but his critique applies to your conception anyway.
The only thing that might resemble your "red socialist prices", in socialist theory, are the shadow prices obtained by the optimisation of the planning model. Unfortunately, they are accounting (not market) prices and they are not obtained as the sum of cost and profit.
Dear Guilio, as I mentioned to you, from the sustainability point of view you are outside the Karl Max's box and outside adam smith's box at the same time and you can see then things that those inside those boxes can not see, especially after a paradigm shift....
I will emphasize the following:
a) Karl Marx criticized the traditional market of Adam Smith, not sustainability markets and that critique may not hold....Had Karl Marx faced sustainability markets he would not have been even able to make a social case against it as sustainability markets are socially and environmentally friendly markets....red socialism may have not existed....
Karl Marx Vrs Sustainability Markets: Who would have won the cold war then? Would the World of Karl Marx Have Existed Then?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/296849826_Karl_Marx_Vrs_Sustainability_Markets_Who_would_have_won_the_cold_war_then_Would_the_World_of_Karl_Marx_Have_Existed_Then
b) The 1991 shift from red socialism to red capitalism and the 2012 shift from the traditional market to green markets means "both Karl Marx'world and Adam Smith's world " we knew them are dead, brought down by sustainability gaps....
Adam Smith Vrs Karl Marx: Stating the Structure and Implications of the Paradigm Clash that Led to the Death of Karl Marx’s World, to the Fall of the Soviet Bloc, and to the Rise of Socially Friendly Capitalism.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/292359802_Adam_Smith_Vrs_Karl_Marx_Stating_the_Structure_and_Implications_of_the_Paradigm_Clash_that_Led_to_the_Death_of_Karl_Marx%27s_World_to_the_Fall_of_the_Soviet_Bloc_and_to_the_Rise_of_Socially_Friendly_Cap
Understanding the Death and Paradigm Shift of Adam Smith’s model: Was Going Green the Only Option? If not, Is This Option the Most Sustainable One?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291523109_Understanding_the_Death_and_Paradigm_Shift_of_Adam_Smith%27s_model_Was_Going_Green_the_Only_Option_If_not_Is_This_Option_the_Most_Sustainable_One
Adam Smith and Karl Marx Under the Sustainability Eye: Pointing Out and Comparing the Sustainability Gaps Behind these Two Great Simplification Failures.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/290607852_Adam_Smith_and_Karl_Marx_Under_the_Sustainability_Eye_Pointing_Out_and_Comparing_the_Sustainability_Gaps_Behind_these_Two_Great_Simplification_Failures
Paradigm Evolution and Sustainability Thinking: Using a Sustainability Inversegram to State Paradigm Death and Shift Expectations under Win-Win and No Win-Win Situations
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298353982_Paradigm_Evolution_and_Sustainability_Thinking_Using_a_Sustainability_Inversegram_to_State_Paradigm_Death_and_Shift_Expectations_under_Win-Win_and_No_Win-Win_Situations
c) From the sustainability point of view red socialism and pure capitalism are pare of the first way of development....Full dominance/full exclusion models....red capitalism and green capitalism is the second way of development....Partial dominance/partial inclusion models....The last wave of development will be sustainability markets....No dominance/full inclusion models,,,,
Evolving Development Paradigm Choices: Are We Moving Towards Sustainability Through Development Waves?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305994535_Evolving_Development_Paradigm_Choices_Are_We_Moving_Towards_Sustainability_Through_Development_Waves
c) Before I published about sustainability gaps, I published a paper "about nationalization as privatization in reverse"....to highlight what happens when you live under total nationalization, total privatization, mixed state, and what is the nature of the optimal state...you can use the ideas there as food for thoughts....
Nationalization as Privatization in Reverse: Understanding the Nature of the Commons to Identify a Possible Point of Optimal Nationalization.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281244564_Nationalization_as_Privatization_in_Reverse_Understanding_the_Nature_of_the_Commons_to_Identify_a_Possible_Point_of_Optimal_Nationalization
I will leave it here Giulio.
Have a nice day....
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Lucio, you asked comments on your ideas and I've given you my opinion. That's all. Your arguments are turning a bit self-referential. Have a nice day
My apologies Giulio, that was not my intention, just to share food for thoughts.
Thank you for your time, I will finish the paper now, when done I will share it.
Respectfully yours;
Dear Clifford, Giulio, and friends. I am sharing here unpublished this paper as food for thoughts:
Markets and Production Pricing: Using the sustainability Market Price to Point Out and Link the Production Price Structure of Partnership Based Paradigms and Deep World View Based Paradigms
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308362720_Markets_and_Production_Pricing_Using_the_sustainability_Market_Price_to_Point_Out_and_Link_the_Production_Price_Structure_of_Partnership_Based_Paradigms_and_Deep_World_View_Based_Paradigms
Have a nice day
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Dear Clifford, Giulio and friends, I am sharing here this article unpublished as food for thoughts, it has clear implications for red socialist thinking and traditional market thinking.
Beyond Both Red Socialism Thinking and Traditional Market Thinking: What is the Structure of the Perfect Red Market?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308886046_Beyond_Both_Red_Socialism_Thinking_and_Traditional_Market_Thinking_What_is_the_Structure_of_the_Perfect_Red_Market
Have a nice day
Article Beyond Both Red Socialism Thinking and Traditional Market Th...
Some of you may find food for thoughts in the following artilce:
An Overview of the 1848 Karl Marx's Capitalism Fix Dilemmas: How a Step by Step Road Towards Economy Friendly Red Socialism May Have Looked Had Marx Stated it?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334479026_An_Overview_of_the_1848_Karl_Marx's_Capitalism_Fix_Dilemmas_How_a_Step_by_Step_Road_Towards_Economy_Friendly_Red_Socialism_May_Have_Looked_Had_Marx_Stated_it
Dear Lucio Muñoz,
You offer interesting reflections on the social and economic aspects of Karol Marx's red socialism. Reflections on the problems of social and economic aspects resulting from the red socialism of Karol Marx that they do not have the character of pure theory can be extended to the real socialism of the countries in which this system functioned, ie it was imposed on the society. In these countries, real social and other costs were not published by the authorities, so it was not possible to verify them realistically and use them for the purposes of responding to the economic effectiveness of conducted economic projects. In addition, efficiency also did not really matter because it was not the market and society's needs that these key issues verified only the specific economic objectives were implemented according to the plan adopted for the next few years in accordance with the concept of planned economy also called centrally-planned economy. Social costs were not taken into account but it was only important to implement the economic plan, even if it was economically inefficient and, in the long run, it was not compatible with the needs of the society. Usually, after a few years, he led to the national economic crisis, the lack of basic consumer products in shops, and the increase in prices officially raised by the authorities. And if the prices were not officially raised, they were officially frozen, the store shelves were empty and the missing products could only be bought after often several times higher prices than the official prices on the so-called. black, informal market. In this way, hidden inflation functioned. It was similar to the issue of the labor market, in which, according to the ideology of Red Socialism, there could not be unemployment, so real unemployment was hidden, and the effectiveness of work and remuneration were realistically lower than in the countries in which market economies functioned. This caused social unrest, strikes of the population, often fought by the army, which fired protesting citizens. That was the real red socialism. I know this from experience, because I lived in a country in which, until 1989, a socially ineffective system of a planned economy based on key assumptions of socialism was imposed on society by the antisocial system. Because we represent different and complementary, compatible perspectives on the issues of economic efficiency and social aspects of real-life centrally-planned economies based ideologically on the red socialism of Karol Marx, I propose to write a joint publication, eg an article on this topic.
Best wishes
You asked about red markets Dariusz, the ideas and concepts are here:
Responsibility and Deep Socialism: Highlighting the Current Road of Red Socialism Towards Sustainability Using the Increasing Responsibility Framework
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/310831311_Responsibility_and_Deep_Socialism_Highlighting_the_Current_Road_of_Red_Socialism_Towards_Sustainability_Using_the_Increasing_Responsibility_Framework
Beyond Both Red Socialism Thinking and Traditional Market Thinking: What is the Structure of the Perfect Red Market?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308886046_Beyond_Both_Red_Socialism_Thinking_and_Traditional_Market_Thinking_What_is_the_Structure_of_the_Perfect_Red_Market
From Traditional Markets to Red Markets: A Look at Markets Under Perfect Socially Friendly Market Competition
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331772087_From_Traditional_Markets_to_Red_Markets_A_Look_at_Markets_Under_Perfect_Socially_Friendly_Market_Competition
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